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Rank Ignorance Fails(Paul Craig Roberts barf alert)
NewsMax.com ^ | February 2, 2006 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 02/02/2006 2:24:48 PM PST by Toddsterpatriot

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To: sgribbley

** Wait until the PA is expanded upon by a future wicked president. **

That is such an empty objection.

** We are in trouble if hitlery gets in. **

Please specify the area(s) of the Patriot Act that need to be removed to forestall a hypothetical President Hitler from abusing the Patriot Act. Which specific provisions need to be excised?

* Can you name one gov't program that has been downsized? *

The Department of Defense in the 1990s.

-George


61 posted on 02/09/2006 3:20:09 PM PST by Calif Conservative ( rwr and gwb backer)
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To: expat_panama; Mase; nopardons; Toddsterpatriot
Hedgcock (filling in for Rush) went to town on PCR today. I caught myself thinking, "well, Roger could've invited him on to defend himself," then I realized if he had, it would've been a friggin' bloodbath.
62 posted on 02/09/2006 8:01:03 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Oh my goodness; I wish I had heard that show. LOL


63 posted on 02/09/2006 9:35:52 PM PST by nopardons
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To: sgribbley
I agree 100%. However I have a feeling we will be cursing the PA in 15-20 years...

Ah yes, the old seminar poster routine-- "sure I like Bushitler too and I voted for him but we need to make it illegal for him to defend the country.  

FESA was written 30 years ago and should have been scrapped during the Clinton years with the advent of internet and cell phones --but Democrats only want new laws for other people so they just went ahead and tapped everyone's calls with echelon.    Only Republicans comply with laws, and the dems know it and use it against them by saying "in 15-20 years...".  I say that by 2026 we'd need to rewrite the PA anyway, but right now we need it.  .

64 posted on 02/10/2006 4:00:37 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: Calif Conservative; sgribbley
name one gov't program that has been downsized? *   The Department of Defense in the 1990s.

Wow-- you slammed that one out of the park! 

I was all set to expose sgribbley as some kind of phoney plant, until I looked at his previous posts.   He's new here but he's spot on with everything (except the PA).

65 posted on 02/10/2006 4:12:15 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: sgribbley
You realize if Clinton was in the Whitehouse and set up the Patriot Act after 911 most people on this site would be praising Paul for his anti patriot act views and would be scared to death of the new gov't instrusion in our lives.

I have a little more faith. After what Hedgcock higlighted today, most FReepers would still think PCR is an idiot.

66 posted on 02/10/2006 5:50:38 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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I wonder why Mr. Roberts doesn't avail himself of all the medicines advertised on NewsMax???

Surely there is one for thinking rationally.... improving one's mind?


67 posted on 02/10/2006 5:53:22 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: sgribbley
you are dreaming if you don't think additional provisions not pertaining to the WOT will not be added in the future.

Please help me understand why you want the Patriot Act repealed.  You're saying that it's good law, but since at some future date Democrats might pass bad law, that you want good law repealed, even though it puts our lives at risk.

What am I missing?

69 posted on 02/10/2006 6:42:24 AM PST by expat_panama
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Please help me understand why you want the Patriot Act repealed. You're saying that it's good law, but since at some future date Democrats might pass bad law, that you want good law repealed, even though it puts our lives at risk.

What am I missing?

Here goes, if Hillary gets elected she'll use the Patriot Act to do bad things. If we repeal the Patriot Act before Hillary gets elected she won't be able to do anything bad. Get it? /simplistic thinking off

70 posted on 02/10/2006 7:08:25 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

LOL!

Ya got me on that one --I was actually putting together a scathing reply but then I spotted the /tag at the end.

I need to relax more.


71 posted on 02/10/2006 7:34:31 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
I need to relax more.

It's Friday, less caffeine is good. LOL!

72 posted on 02/10/2006 7:41:06 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
You preach for a smaller gov't(which I'm for 100%) but don't have a problem with one of the biggest potential threats to our own personal liberties.

An evil President doesn't need the Patriot Act to do evil things. Did Bill need the Patriot Act to get the FBI files? Did Bill need the Patriot Act to use the IRS against conservatives?

The best way to stop Hillary from using the Patriot Act to do evil is to stop Hillary from becoming President.

76 posted on 02/10/2006 8:31:39 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
Do you claim that if the Patriot Act expired that a President Hillary couldn't still do the things you fear?
78 posted on 02/10/2006 8:48:21 AM PST by Toddsterpatriot (Why is Paul Craig Roberts such an assclown?)
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To: sgribbley
I was against it from the beginning....

Good.   So all this stuff about having to repeal future bad laws that might be written possibly in the future is just a smokescreen.

There are lots of Democrats who opposed the Patriot Act from the beginning too-- even before they read it.  I get the idea that you have very strong feelings, but I can't quite tell what (or if) you've actually thought about it  Maybe you have serious concerns with every single provision of the original current law as well as all the entire texts of all four versions pending or maybe there's just some parts that you've opposed from the beginning.  When I read in your post "911 never would have happened if the FBI, Cia, military would have worked together",  I thought you'd have wanted to keep SEC. 203. AUTHORITY TO SHARE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE INFORMATION.   

If you ever get a chance, please share with us just what specific provision is so objectionable that you'd be willing to rebuild Clinton's wall and risk another 9/11.

79 posted on 02/10/2006 9:54:27 AM PST by expat_panama
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