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Brazen Mexican incursion stretches American credulity and patience (McAllen,TX - Good read!)
The McAllen Monitor ^ | 02/02/2006 | The Monitor View

Posted on 02/02/2006 3:49:41 PM PST by devane617

With its restrictions on everything from foreign ownership of real estate to the carrying of sidearms by American drug agents assigned there, the government of Mexico has made its touchiness about its sovereignty clear time and again. But when it comes to the sovereignty of the United States of America, Mexican contempt seems to know few limits.

The latest example came at 3:15 p.m. Monday (Jan. 23), as yet another standoff between armed Mexicans and American law-enforcement officers took place in Texas at the very spot where a similar standoff transpired Nov. 17. But instead of a fleeing dump truck full of dope pulled into Mexico by a bulldozer, Monday’s incident involved three vehicles heading southward at Neely’s Crossing — protected by the sudden appearance of at least one Humvee equipped with a heavy machine gun and manned by men in military-style uniforms.

Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff’s Office told the Ontario, Calif., Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, that the Mexicans deployed more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border to keep his deputies, Texas state troopers and U.S. Border Patrol agents at a distance. Their firepower again had the desired effect. Though one vehicle — a Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen in El Paso — was captured with 1,477 pounds of dope inside, the rest made it back across, unmolested by the U.S. lawmen.

"It’s been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident that it’s been going on for years," Doyal complained. "When you’re up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."

While one can sympathize with Doyal — U.S. Border Patrol agents’ and police officers’ light carbines and pistols would come off a poor second to vehicle-mounted heavy machine guns — in one respect, he seems to be missing the point. A deployment of military weapons by foreigners on American soil to threaten American peace officers is an international incident — at least, in the eyes of ordinary Americans.

And the latest incidence of it seems finally to have put the cat among Mexico’s pigeons. The Mexican consul general in El Paso announced Tuesday that his country’s army has now been ordered to keep its troops 3.2 miles from the U.S. border, while a Mexican Embassy spokesman declared in Washington that a full investigation is under way, including an inspection of Mexican military bases near the border to determine whether any uniforms or equipment are missing.

Both diplomats, however, loudly denied the Mexican army was involved in Monday’s incursion, blaming drug-cartel operatives instead. A U.S. law enforcement official declared there was no evidence that the uniformed gunmen were Mexican soldiers — though that official was unwilling to speak on the record.

But in light of the Mexican military’s 216 border incursions in the last nine years, detailed in a Homeland Security Department document obtained by a southern California newspaper, the highly trained Mexican army turncoats — "Los Zetas" — who now serve as drug-cartel enforcers, and the high-ranking Mexican army officers that have been found to be in the pay of Mexican drug lords in the past, the possibility of involvement by corrupt Mexican military personnel in this incident cannot be discounted — particularly given the appearance of uniformed men at the scene of Monday’s incident to dismantle a gun-mounted Humvee that had gotten stuck in the Rio Grande on the way back and been set afire by its occupants.

What did they have to hide? Those responsible for the security of our borders had best find out.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Florida; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; mexicanmilitary; moatwithgators; texas; tx; wherestonygarza
"What did they have to hide? Those responsible for the security of our borders had best find out..."

When will our elected officials catch on? When it is too late...

1 posted on 02/02/2006 3:49:43 PM PST by devane617
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To: devane617
I vote for punishment air strikes. Every time mexican soldiers enter the US, a B-52 unloads on Mexico City.

With unguided munitions.
2 posted on 02/02/2006 4:02:15 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: gubamyster

ping


3 posted on 02/02/2006 4:03:33 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: JamesP81

I vote we just put the military on the border and get it under control. Stop the invasion now!!


4 posted on 02/02/2006 4:04:14 PM PST by My GOP
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To: devane617

Since the Mexican government is so absolutely certain that its military is positively never intruding on US soil, the US lawmen should call in quick helicopter strikes and kill all the trespassers. I'm sure the Mexican government would applaud.


5 posted on 02/02/2006 4:08:05 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: devane617
We don't need a fence on the border.

We need a demilitarized zone, with concertina wire, machine gun emplacements, and anti-personnel mines. This BS has gone on far too long.

6 posted on 02/02/2006 4:15:44 PM PST by lesser_satan
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To: KellyAdmirer
Sounds like a good place for the special teams of the BATF to hone their craft.
USA soil, drugs, firearms, assaulting government agents etc.
Do it now!
7 posted on 02/02/2006 4:18:45 PM PST by sarasmom (I don't care who John Gault is, I just need directions to his current location!)
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To: sarasmom

I think that the soldiers at Ft Bliss could hone their skills along the Texas and N.M. borders. Would be a great training ground....and help secure the border too.


8 posted on 02/02/2006 4:35:39 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Islam, liberalism and abortions are terminal..)
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To: devane617

Build it NOW!


9 posted on 02/02/2006 4:46:52 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: devane617
up against mounted machine guns, what can you do?

A rocket or three from a UAV would answer this question succinctly and unmistakably.

10 posted on 02/02/2006 5:48:01 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: lesser_satan
We need a demilitarized zone, with concertina wire, machine gun emplacements, and anti-personnel mines.

And UAVs and Apaches. May resurrect the Skyraider.

11 posted on 02/02/2006 5:49:14 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: devane617

The sheriff needs to start carrying RPGs in the trunks of his cars...


12 posted on 02/02/2006 5:50:28 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: sarasmom

I am not at all sure it would be a good thing to turn these folks into combat teams. If we do that then every small town in America would soon have to have its own combat team. to fight drugs and traffic violations.


13 posted on 02/02/2006 5:51:12 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arthurus

How about the Corsairs flying along with HellFires and Stingers slung underneath?


14 posted on 02/02/2006 5:55:32 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: devane617

Video would be a nice start. A picture is worth a thousand words, you know.


15 posted on 02/02/2006 6:05:42 PM PST by Sybeck1
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To: arthurus
Where do you live that this is not already the case?
16 posted on 02/02/2006 6:07:09 PM PST by sarasmom (I don't care who John Gault is, I just need directions to his current location!)
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To: arthurus
I am not at all sure it would be a good thing to turn these folks into combat teams.
If we do that then every small town in America would soon have ... its own combat team. to fight drugs and traffic violations.

You make that sound like a *BAD* thing... lol

17 posted on 02/02/2006 6:23:44 PM PST by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: sarasmom

I am talking about something beyond SWAT teams. Combat teams would be an escalation of that concept. SWAT teams are trained for and good for quick overwhelming assaults and quickly shooting the dogs and stomping the cats, not sustained firefights or stealthy demolition.


18 posted on 02/02/2006 6:37:43 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Utilizer

It would be a very tax expensive thing and the inevitible mistakes would be even more serious leading to more expensive settlements and lawsuits.


19 posted on 02/02/2006 6:39:53 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: Utilizer

It would be a very tax expensive thing and the inevitible mistakes would be even more serious leading to more expensive settlements and lawsuits.


20 posted on 02/02/2006 6:44:39 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arthurus
Are you forgetting Waco and Ruby Ridge?
Those were not LEO SWAT teams...
They were paramilitary JBTs, without UCMJ Code of Conduct restrictions, in action.
The only place I see a role for the BATF in the USA, is on the border, looking outwards.
21 posted on 02/02/2006 7:10:38 PM PST by sarasmom (I don't care who John Gault is, I just need directions to his current location!)
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To: Sybeck1

http://www.kfoxtv.com/index.html

Second story on the left side...also has a video link. It's on tape.


22 posted on 02/02/2006 8:52:47 PM PST by HiJinx (~ Proud Poppa and Dad ~ Grateful Husband ~)
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To: Sybeck1
Video would be a nice start. A picture is worth a thousand words, you know.

Then the bullet-riddled bodies of Mexican Military involved in an incursion/invasion of sovereign US Soil while aiding/abetting smuggling operations against the US should be worth a Steven King Novel!

23 posted on 02/02/2006 8:57:50 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: devane617

Now is the time to start raising hell with your senators for twin 15 foot fences. The word out of the senate is they are going to resist putting up the twin 15 foot steel fence on 700 miles of the border the House authorized. Without the fence that means it will be business as usual. We need to hold their feet to the fire.


24 posted on 02/03/2006 4:28:24 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: HiJinx

First I had seen this. Is Hannity or someone at least getting this out at the bational level?


25 posted on 02/03/2006 4:58:42 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: sarasmom

You have a point but only if we could convert the whole org into border security troops. We don't need any more of these types. Lord knows- when this war winds down great numbers of these folks will be released on society and many will head for police departments to offer their services. The demob after VN is what injected the last ìnfection into the body politic. All those ex green-beanies going around to the Podunk police dept and hey you want to have a SWAT team like the Big City? You want to look like Big Time? It didn't die out as they retired. Podunk trained up some more to continue feeling like Bigg City and now they smash the house two doors down from you and shoot folks and break mucho things and then say gee it was the wrong address, sorry bout that and then fight the homeowner in court about payng for it.


26 posted on 02/03/2006 5:14:37 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arthurus
I'm getting the impression you do not understand the nature of the "players" here.
Or my point.
"Ex-green beanies" are not the problem here.
Frankly,I highly doubt many, if any at all, former DOD Special Forces personnel(green,black, blue or red) are employed by any LEO.
Wannabees, probably.
Wannabees are those who could not meet the stringent minimum of the actual "special forces" standards.
Or those who got kicked out, for dereliction of duty.
Wannabees are actively recruited by the BATF, and various State and local level LEOs.
Actual former "experienced, highly trained and qualified" former special forces people"...not a chance.
27 posted on 02/03/2006 6:39:40 PM PST by sarasmom (I don't care who John Gault is, I just need directions to his current location!)
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To: sarasmom

"The only place I see a role for the BATF in the USA"

I'd like to see them in the unemployment line.


28 posted on 02/03/2006 6:43:02 PM PST by dljordan
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To: devane617

A few of these should solve the immediate problem and get the message across.

29 posted on 02/03/2006 6:50:14 PM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,bad cops,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
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To: sarasmom

I know some ex berets who worked for Florida state and local forces. They are retired from that now. One is a relative and a war hero turned a****le. When the Army got "downsized" after VN he didn'tget "fired" as it were but discovered that there would be no further advancement so he left for greener pastures along with a bunch of others.


30 posted on 02/04/2006 4:33:58 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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