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Evangelicals to launch 'Christian AIPAC'
Jpost ^ | 2/2/06 | ILAN CHAIM

Posted on 02/03/2006 5:02:32 PM PST by abu afak

A leading US evangelist is forming an umbrella organization under which all pro-Israel Christians in America can speak as one in support of the Jewish state.

Pastor John C. Hagee of San Antonio, Texas, is to launch Christians United for Israel (CUFI) at an invitation-only "Summit on Israel" next Tuesday at his Cornerstone Church.

The Texas-size church seats 5,000 worshipers and has some 17,000 members, but the summit will host a much smaller congregation: the spiritual leaders of an estimated 30 million US Christians.

"Think of CUFI as a Christian version of AIPAC [the American Israel Public Affairs Committee]," Hagee told The Jerusalem Post. "We need to be able to respond instantly to Washington with our concerns about Israel. We must join forces to speak as one group and move as one body to [respond to] the crisis Israel will be facing in the near future."

Hagee declined to specify which crisis, noting that Israel faces one "every day the sun comes up." But at the top of the CUFI agenda is what the pastor calls "the Bible issue," namely what he considers to be the mistaken policy of trading parts of the biblical Land of Israel for peace, an agenda that AIPAC, for example, neglects.

Accordingly, Hagee says, CUFI intends to "interact with the government in Washington" and persuade it "to stop pressuring Israel to give up land for peace. Besides the fact that this does not work, Israel has a Bible mandate for the land. Now that Gaza has been given to Hamas, it has a military foothold a thousand yards from Jerusalem." ..."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aipac; christian; cufi; evangelical; gaza; hamas; israel; johnhagee; lobbyist; pastor; proisrael; sanantonio; summitonisrael; texas; wot
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1 posted on 02/03/2006 5:02:34 PM PST by abu afak
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Cindy; Yehuda

KA-Ping


2 posted on 02/03/2006 5:04:49 PM PST by abu afak (abuafak@yahoo.ie)
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To: abu afak
Hagee declined to specify which crisis, noting that Israel faces one "every day the sun comes up." But at the top of the CUFI agenda is what the pastor calls "the Bible issue," namely what he considers to be the mistaken policy of trading parts of the biblical Land of Israel for peace, an agenda that AIPAC, for example, neglects.

Accordingly, Hagee says, CUFI intends to "interact with the government in Washington" and persuade it "to stop pressuring Israel to give up land for peace. Besides the fact that this does not work, Israel has a Bible mandate for the land. Now that Gaza has been given to Hamas, it has a military foothold a thousand yards from Jerusalem." ..."

And maybe the reason AIPAC "neglects" this is because it is actually listening to the Israeli people, who are sick and tired of religious nuts from Brooklyn or Mississippi trying to "help" them by pressuring them into ultra militant policies that they no longer want. The Israeli people have made the reasoned ("reasoned", Hagee. "reasoned") decision that they cannot get mired down in trying to rule 2 million Palestinians forever. Which is essentially what Hagee is demanding that Israel do and the Israelis are sick and tired of trying to do.

Washington isn't "pressuring" Israel into consolidating its lines behind a defensible perimiter. The Israelis understand perfectly well for themselves that the position in Gaza was untenable, costly, and indefensible and they will no longer be blackmailed by religious nuts.

3 posted on 02/03/2006 5:16:11 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: abu afak

bttt


4 posted on 02/03/2006 5:17:43 PM PST by IronManBike (Lodestar in the LoneStar)
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To: abu afak

Love Hagee! Count me in! His new book "Jerusalem Countdown" is FABULOUS! I highly recommend it.


5 posted on 02/03/2006 5:29:44 PM PST by holyscroller (A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him to the left)
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To: holyscroller

I would love to see a new political party with James Dobson running for President and Hagee as Vice.


6 posted on 02/03/2006 5:53:07 PM PST by A virtuous woman (I am a friend of Israel!)
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To: Salem; F15Eagle

ping


7 posted on 02/03/2006 6:27:13 PM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3)
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To: holyscroller

I watched it! Awesome!


8 posted on 02/03/2006 6:36:03 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Sam the Sham

And maybe the reason AIPAC "neglects" this is because it is actually listening to the Israeli people, who are sick and tired of religious nuts from Brooklyn or Mississippi trying to "help"


Hagee is from TX. Where does Mississippi fit into
this equation of yours?


9 posted on 02/03/2006 6:42:51 PM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: tutstar; caryatid; Nightshift; TexGuy; fortheDeclaration; DocRock; Ranald S. MacKenzie; ...

Baptist ping sorta


10 posted on 02/03/2006 7:05:12 PM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: All

I wonder if this had anything to do with it
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1551776/posts


11 posted on 02/03/2006 7:09:24 PM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB

The use of 'Mississippi' was rhetorical.

All right. 'Religious nuts from Texas', then.


12 posted on 02/03/2006 7:14:06 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

Mississipi gets enough negative press
without people making things up.


13 posted on 02/03/2006 7:15:13 PM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB

With all my heart and soul I apologize heartily to any Mississippians (whose state I have always spelled correctly) whose feelings I may have inadvertently offended.


14 posted on 02/03/2006 7:19:14 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

and Wooly Bully to you too. :>)


15 posted on 02/03/2006 7:20:30 PM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB
Your name says it all.
16 posted on 02/03/2006 9:11:52 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: Esther Ruth
Good for John Hagee!! This series is awesome!! Not cheap for the 3 DVD's but worth the price. They are also shown in 1/2-hour segments on Daystar channel.

Jerusalem: Countdown to Crisis Series



http://www.jhm.org/catalog/detail.asp?code=S0537D
17 posted on 02/03/2006 11:59:09 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: fish hawk

Your name says it all.



Why thank you kind person.
That is about the nicest thing anyone ever
said to me...............I think??
Now If I just knew what you are talking
about I could really get excited.


18 posted on 02/04/2006 2:31:36 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: abu afak

This is an issue where the tenuous alliance between Christian evangelicals and Israelis will unravel. And this will throttle Republican progress among Jewish voters. Evangelicals have no more right to demand that Jews die for their principles than Muslims have to control what cartoonists around the world draw.

The Israeli people have decided that they will not allow religious fanatics of the Christian or Jewish variety to impose policies upon them that they do not want. They have decided that they will not allow others to 'create facts'


19 posted on 02/04/2006 6:36:12 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
And maybe the reason AIPAC "neglects" this is because it is actually listening to the Israeli people,

AIPAC isn't an Israeli organization, it's an American organization, obviously dealing with US-Israeli relations.

20 posted on 02/04/2006 3:51:20 PM PST by SJackson (elected members of Hamas: businesspeople, professionals, not terrorists. Scott McClellan)
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To: WKB

Why does everyone always have to cut on Mississippi?


21 posted on 02/04/2006 3:55:42 PM PST by kmomma
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To: Sam the Sham

Ok. This Mississipian accepts your apology.


22 posted on 02/04/2006 3:59:02 PM PST by kmomma
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To: Sam the Sham

Hagee is correct though, he doesn't have to listen to the Israeli people, he only has to read the Bible...something you should expect from a Christian.


23 posted on 02/04/2006 5:53:33 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon
Hagee is correct though, he doesn't have to listen to the Israeli people, he only has to read the Bible...something you should expect from a Christian.

I am a Christian and I do not buy the argument that being one means being an Israeli ultra-hawk. God told King Zedekiah through the prophet Jeremiah to submit to Nebuchadnezzar and not try to revolt. Jews loyally served Babylonian and Persian monarchs and were rewarded for their loyalty. For centuries an alien people, the Samaritans, dwelt in the land of Israel and nowhere is God shown as hostile to them. Did not our Savior befriend a Samaritan slut and use them as an example of divine grace (the good Samaritan)? I see nothing in scripture to state that being a Christian means being more Zionist than the Israelis themselves choose to be.

When Hagee blames Kadima policies on "American pressure" he flat out lies. The Israeli people have given up trying to rule the Palestinians, which is what Hagee is demanding they do. Evangelicals like to insist that they are Israel's friends. Some friends.

24 posted on 02/04/2006 6:35:41 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: SJackson

I know that AIPAC is an American organization, but it is Jews talking and listening to other Jews. Not Evangelicals trying to expend Jews in militarily indefensible positions because they think it will expedite the Second Coming. And thinking they are Israel's friend.


25 posted on 02/04/2006 6:38:23 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: kmomma

Why does everyone always have to cut on Mississippi?



Cause we make it so easy?? :>)


26 posted on 02/04/2006 7:18:17 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance\ Baffle them with BS.)
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To: abu afak



Consider this: The way things were going, the Palestinans were on their way to a voting majority in Israel, and conceivably poised to take over the Kennesset.

Sharron gave them the Gaza as their autonomous 'homeland' to remove them from the Israel voting rolls. Also talk about doing the same in part of the West Bank..... Comments?


27 posted on 02/04/2006 7:49:10 PM PST by TailspinJim
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To: Sam the Sham

Name the nation that God placed over Israel in the last 50 years.

My point stands.


28 posted on 02/04/2006 8:09:29 PM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: WKB

You may do the honors if you like. My pc is spazzing again.


29 posted on 02/04/2006 8:37:59 PM PST by tutstar (Baptist Ping List Freepmail me if you want on or off this ping list.)
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To: RaceBannon

Name the nation that God placed over Latvia in the past 10 years.

My point stands. Whatever the hell it was.


30 posted on 02/04/2006 9:14:13 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: WKB

Great tagline tonite, WKB.


31 posted on 02/04/2006 9:18:39 PM PST by stainlessbanner (^W^)
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To: Sam the Sham

"The use of 'Mississippi' was rhetorical."


Rhetoric this...

I am sick and tired of people like you.

You ARE a SHAM.

And, this isn't the first time I've said that to you.
One thing about you...you don't disappoint.


32 posted on 02/04/2006 11:57:30 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: Sam the Sham
Are the Samaritans actually a foreign people in Israel?
They claim to be descended from refugees of the 10 Northern tribes. The Samaritan Torah is actually quite textually rather close to the Jewish Torah except for a few differences:
1. It is still written in Ancient Hebrew letters rather than the Aramaic Masortic Script used by my people.
2. They call Mt. Sinai "Horeb"
3. They seem to focus much more on the Samarian and Northern holy sites, as opposed to the Jewish Bible which includes both.

They also made Mt. Gerizim near Schechem the center of their religion as opposed to Mr. Moriah in Jerusalem. http://www.the-samaritans.com/

33 posted on 02/05/2006 12:39:51 AM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: WKB; kmomma; bourbon

"Cause we make it so easy?? :>)"


Nope.
Cause others make it so hard.

Are you on the MS ping list, kmomma?
If not, then WKB and bourbon are the guys to see.


34 posted on 02/05/2006 1:46:52 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: rmlew

In the Bible, it says that the Samaritans are descended primarily from colonists whom the Assyrians transported into Israel after they destroyed Samaria. As with the Babylonians later the Assyrians did not deport every Jew from the land. Just the young, strong, useful, skilled, educated, and presumably hot. The lowest classes were left behind. These presumably mixed with the exiles the Assyrians transported in.

But as we see in the New Testament the Judeans considered them asterisk Jews.


35 posted on 02/05/2006 5:13:48 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: dixiechick2000

It seems to me that like the Muslims, you are choosing to be offended.


36 posted on 02/05/2006 5:14:13 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: tutstar

See post #10 :>)


37 posted on 02/05/2006 5:46:44 AM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance\ Baffle them with BS.)
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To: stainlessbanner

Tkanks


38 posted on 02/05/2006 5:48:14 AM PST by WKB ((Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation))
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To: Sam the Sham

Show me where Latvia was ever promised to be a nation by God.

Your point fails on every aspect.


39 posted on 02/05/2006 6:08:24 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

You employ the circular reasoning of the religious nut.

Tell me, if God is an ultra Zionist now, where was He during the Holocaust ? Where was He when Ferdinand and Isabella expelled the Jews ? Where was He when Masada fell and the Bar Kochba revolt crushed ? God's promises to the Jews have been transferred in toto to the Christian Church. The Christian Church is the descendants as countless as the stars of the sky that God promised to Abraham.


40 posted on 02/05/2006 6:15:13 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham

You employ the reasoning of the unbeliever who tries to shame others into atheism

God was with every believing Jew in the Holocaust. God was with Hitler telling him how wrong he was and to repent. God was with Stalin telling him what a sin he was doing to the people of Russia.

God is with you right now, trying to get you to listen, too.


41 posted on 02/05/2006 6:52:59 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: RaceBannon

I am listening to God. Guess what ? He's not a Gush Emmunin fanatic.

If you are at all capable of reason, you might consider the disastrous effect this is having on Jewish Christian relations. Jews will resent being asked to die for fundamentalist Christian reasons. People like you are music to Abe Foxman's ears because you are only interested in expending Jewish blood for your own purposes. And Jews don't come into this with a whole lot of trust for Christian motives to begin with. This may come as a shock to you but the Jews don't want your Armageddon.


42 posted on 02/05/2006 9:46:26 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: abu afak

PING A LING


43 posted on 02/05/2006 10:06:17 AM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: Sam the Sham; RaceBannon
"When Hagee blames Kadima policies on "American pressure" he flat out lies. The Israeli people have given up trying to rule the Palestinians, which is what Hagee is demanding they do. Evangelicals like to insist that they are Israel's friends. Some friends."

BS - U.S. govt has been overtly supporting Olmert's "re"-election since sharon's stroke.

The Israeli left and the Israeli left media have framed the argument exactly as you have that it was a matter of "ruling" over the arabs - it never was framed as such - arabs should have gone back to live under Jordanian rule and back to jordan and Yesha for the Jews - arabs want to be resident aliens, fine, the rest can leave, THE SAME WAY JEWS WERE FORCED OUT OF ARAB LANDS.

Pose any poll asking Israelis "if the Arabs were paid to leave and we had peace, would you be in favor of paying arabs to leave" and the vote would be overwhelming - but Jew haters and arab appeasers won't even pose the questions.

Evangelicals are bigger supporters of TRUE PEACE than most Israeli and American jinos, because Israelis and U.S. jinos have been brainwashed, just like you.

" This may come as a shock to you but the Jews don't want your Armageddon."

Observant Jews aren't worried about observant Christians because real Christians aren't trying to take over their country and enslave/behead them under Sharia. Jinos and muslim-appeasors like you and Foxman are the true dhimmies yearning for muslims to "accept them" even if it means being ruled over by them. Anything to appease your precious sand-nazis and keep Jews under the boot.

44 posted on 02/05/2006 10:24:02 AM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: Yehuda; RaceBannon

The Israeli people have decided otherwise.

The Arabs aren't going to leave. Period. So your entire reverie about 'paying the Arabs to leave' was the purest wishful thinking. Facts are facts and the Israelis are not going to mass deport Arabs from Gaza and the West Bank. Period.

So returning from Yehuda and RaceBannon land to the real world, Israel understands that it can either

a. Try to rule the Palestinians forever and give RaceBannon his Armageddon. or...

b. Consolidate behind secure, ethnically cohesive lines.

What we have here is an alliance between the Israeli settler lunatic fringe and fundamentalist Christian religious nuts. An alliance that will be disastrous for both because the Israeli mainstream has decided that it will not allow them to write checks that Israel has to cash.


45 posted on 02/05/2006 11:14:11 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Sam the Sham; WKB; dixiechick2000; Yehuda

Ugh. You again.

Last time I heard from you on this forum you were waxing poetic about Malcolm X. Let me guess: You sympathize with other Muslim miltants too?


46 posted on 02/05/2006 11:58:03 AM PST by bourbon (everything inside screams for second life)
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To: bourbon

ahhah fubar


47 posted on 02/05/2006 12:48:20 PM PST by Yehuda ("Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!" (Choke on it, pinkos!))
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To: Yehuda; Sam the Sham
Yeah. You might want to check out our previous exchange on this thread. I've even asked him before if he sympathized with Yasser Arafat, and he offered up no response.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1351637/posts#comment?q=1

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To: Sam the Sham

Well, you might not be willing to call MLK a "weenie," but your continued references to him as a "pink plaster saint" aren't much different.

And it was the intervention of the federal government that made his [MLK's] strategy correct. Without it a NOI/Malcolm X strategy would have been the correct one.

I'm not surprised that you take a consequentialist, almost military view of the civil rights movement. Perhaps your your warlike approach to domestic social conflicts is the reason you shower praise on groups like like the NOI and IRA, who also preach a violent form of nationalism?

King, however, took a very different view of the civil rights movement. He pursued nonviolence and eschewed reverse racism not because of the favorable outcomes associated with his strategy but because he believed it was the morally correct thing to do. And, yes, he thought it was the correct thing to do, even if it proved to be a losing strategy.

If that makes him a weenie in your eyes, so be it. I wish you'd just come out and admit it.

BTW, I'm curious to know how you feel about Yasser Arafat? Is he one of your personal heroes too?

182 posted on 02/27/2005 10:54:44 AM CST by bourbon (You see me here, and yet I am already changed, already elsewhere.) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 128 | View Replies | Report Abuse ]

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48 posted on 02/05/2006 1:46:20 PM PST by bourbon (everything inside screams for second life)
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To: bourbon

Frankly, most of what you said was too stupid to respond to.

The facts are the facts. The Israeli people have decided that they will not let religious nuts decide their agenda. Whether you like that or not is of no importance. What is of importance is that all the tenuous work the GOP has done to reach out to Jewish voters will be destroyed if the Christian Right aligns itself with the Israeli lunatic fringe.


49 posted on 02/05/2006 2:21:38 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: bourbon

And while we are on the subject I have no use for romantic failure. The correct strategy is one that is grounded in objective reality like that of Ohmert. And given the military backing of the federal government, King's strategy. Romantic failure, like the fringe nut settlers, is for adolescents.


50 posted on 02/05/2006 2:25:16 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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