Skip to comments.Jed Babbin: Rockefeller IS the source of the leak on the NSA wiretaps..will he take a polygraph?
Posted on 02/03/2006 8:47:20 PM PST by ken5050
Turned on the radio, happened to catch the last segment of the John Batchelor show. He was interviewing Jeb Babbin....who many of us know and respect, and read his columns. I was absolutely stunned by what Babbin just said...hadn't seen/heard it anywheres..and thought it merits reposting for your benefit....
I have followed this thread and the arguments are valid but a few things need to be considered. If this is valid and true then the White House needs to quietly let him know that. Leave it at that. Politics wise it might be useful later on. My fear is this that the Dems take control of the House. The result the new head of the Judicary committee Mr Conyers starts his Impeachment proceedings. I know alot of people laugh that off but I am convinced once the Jeannie is out the bottle it will take a life of its own. Just the nuisance of such hearings and Conyers with a subpoena power starting investigations all over the place is detrimental to us in a time of War.
Remember asking people and demanding people to take lie dectors is a two way street. I would like to avoid any additional trauma to the nation.
Something like this might be able to be used if the worse happens this Novemember to calm things down a bit. Other words the Powers that be will inform all the sponsors and co sponsors of HS Res 635 to calm the hell down.
He's a senator and a Democrat one. I just don't see this gaining any traction.
Babbin said his souces inside the intelligence community briefed him..
interesting stuff here.
Mark Levin ping!
Last nights thread:
This was all Rockefeller and the Dems plan in the memo that got out by mistake because the dolts put it on a computer that Republicans had access to, remember? The poor Republican aide who revealed the contents got fired and no blame was put on the Dems by their lapdogs in the msm, so Rockefeller just resumed the plan. The memo implied that Roberts, the chairman of the Intelligence Com., was not too bright and they would be successful in bringing charges against the President for actions linked to the Patriot Act, I seem to recall. When was this "Memogate" incident anyway?
Later, perhaps...I'm out and about all day..
Perhaps defconw can be of help.
Enjoy your day!
VERY "interesting stuff". If Rockefeller's staff did not know about the letter in his safe and Risen did, guess who told him....and leaked? Ha.
Rockefeller called Syria. Sure he called the NYT. And he keeps his money off shore.
from macsmind (1/21/06):
" On Rockefeller like a Fly on ....
I haven't forgotten Senator Rockefeller or his plan. And neither has the DOJ. He's going to get nailed and soon.
The "hold up" over the NSA leak investigation for which he is suspect number one, is widening to include his activities in 2002, specifically his act of treason against the US to which he admitted to, but the MSM of course wouldn't report.
Last month I was going to post from this very good article that more eloquently than I outlines the exact nature of Senator John Rockefeller's treason against the United States...."
Umm-hmmm. I think the best we could hope for is for Rocky the squirrel to resign from Intel Committee. I don't hold out much optimism for Republican determination on this one.
They nailed Sandy "socks" Burger too. rme
I concur. This administration has not shown any inclination to take U.S. citizens on,,,.
Go Along to Get Along seems to be the Administration's theory with the Dems when it comes to malfeasance.
Pogo said it best: We have met the enemy, and it is US
I agree. They are both trying to destroy freedom, America and Western civilization.
"Is there even the remotest chance he will be held accountable in the slightest way for any of this?"
Is there even the remotest chance that ANY DEMOCRAT WILL EVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING EVER?!
The entire Democratic party and the so called main stream media are all actively commiting treason on a daily basis as far as I'm concerned.
If a Senator instructed a member of his or her staff to leak classified information the Senator is the leaker!
Whoever did this has put this country at risk.
I thought there was an investigation of Rockefeller going on regarding this matter, but since I haven't read anything about it in a while, maybe Republicans didn't push the issue.
Hatred toward Bush is much stronger than Patriotism. The bitter Hatred clouds making the right decision to protect us against future terrorism.
Constitutional crisis??? Hell, church bells will peal, children will parade, kazoos will be distributed the day this lying sack of sh*t is locked behind bars! Let the trumpets blow! Warm up the firing squad! Order more potassium cyanide! The Day of the Rat is upon us!
A clumsy attempt at misdirection, IMO. That, instead, drew more attention to him.
I would guess that the memorandum related to the search of Aldrich Ames' residence.
In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has "inherent authority" to order physical searches -- including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens -- for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own.
"The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes," Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, "and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General."
Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches
Byron York - December 20, 2005
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553690/posts <- Summary of Ames Investigation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1567288/posts <- GAO Report on "data sharing"
Note the date on the "data sharing" report.
The clock's not on the administration, it's on the Dems considering whether they can exploit a domestic spying lawbreaking accusation by the midterm elections. The Dem leadership knows who leaked it, and that the identity of the leak card will be played by the administration exactly when they need to accentuate their reason for not obtaining a warrant - leakers will compromise the program and thereby deprive us of valuable intelligence. Exposing Jay would be good if they did it now, but it would be better if they did it just as the Dems are at their most indignant over the administration's assertion that vital programs would be compromised by those who have decided to go to war against our war on terrorism.
His comments followed Rockefeller's .. but I can't remember exactly what
Hey OXENinFLA .... I can't seem to find the transcript of this Senate Intel Hearing ... do you know where I can find it???
Many of us for years have felt that Rockefellow has been a spigot or an aquaduct behind the leaks.
Calling Senator Rockefeller
by Hugh Hewitt
February 4, 2006 05:35 AM PST
The American Spectator's Jed Babbin was on John Batchelor's radio show yesterday, and stated that the intelligence community believes West Virignia Senator Jay Rockefeller is the leaker who illegally supplied the New York Times with the details of the NSA program.
Given that the CIA's Porter J. Goss stated emphatically that the leak had done very serious damage to the Uniterd States, if Rockefeller is a suspect, he should be hauled before a Grand Jury asap. When the crime was bribery (Abscam)no one protested that a sitting U.S. Senator ought not to be atarget.
If the crime is much more serious --and this is-- purported good intentions should not shield the suspect.
Has any member of the press asked Rockefeller point blank if he's the law breaker yet?
Jed Babbin sits in for me on Monday's show. That's the day the hearings into the NSA program begin, and Jed will no doubt continue this conversation then.
Time for a treason trial and a public hanging.
Either did OJ, but it can't stop a person from trying...
I thought I had recorded over the hearing that I taped .. but I still had the end of it
Roberts comments came after DiFi's questioning
Roberts kept talking about the committee and (9/11) investigations under previous leadership and independent staff .. which I believe would be Rockefeller
Also .. after Roberts tried to end the hearing .. Rockefeller chimmed in and wanted to respond .. and in the middle of Rockefellers lecture about following the law because the law is the law .. Roberts left the hearing before jay finished talking
Didn't Rockefeller also ask if the program was covert?
Yes he did .. he asked if it was a covert action as defined by the National Security Act
Negroponte answered no and then Rockeller said that was what they were told by the Justice Department yesterday
"solemnly swear...to support and defend (or preserve, protect and defend) the Constitution of the United States...against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic..."
Will you be starting a live thread on Monday? If you do, please PING me. I love to read stuff like this, but as I will be at work, I may not have all day to try to find the thread. Thanks much.
I am expecting a massive amount of government corruption to be splayed, displayed, and dealt with before W's second term (thank You, Lord!) is completed. And with a praying president and a God who cares, I expect people to pay for their nefarious deeds in proportion to the dastard factor. (Yes, I mean "dastard" there.)
They already call Bush a Nazi, without cause...just the other day, when Sheehan was removed, some Congresscritter said they didn't know why "Bush had to sic his Gestapo guards on her". They may as well do the right thing, regardless of the name calling.
I suspect you are right. After reading all the commentary to this post, I wonder if we may be misconstruing one more gigantic 'rope-a-dope' on the part of the Administration. At least I hope so.
I say that because there is no doubt that the AG is pursuing an investigation, beyond his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Also, the fact that Porter Goss and John Negroponte made it clear to the Intelligence Committee this week that the NSA leak has hurt ongoing investigations is proof that the Administration takes the leaks seriously. The just filed suit by Iman Ferris' attorney to obtain NSA wiretapping information against his client simply supports that contention. And the President's willingness to 'talk it up', whenever possible, has helped to expose the Dems for what they are; the anti-war, anti-security party.
I, for one, intend to simply sit back and see what unfolds. I believe the fact Babbin's information has become public serves a purpose. We may not know for months exactly what that purpose is, however I do believe we will find out in the 'fullness of time'.
Let's enjoy the show, folks!
I heard that Goss testified that discussion of the NSA terrorist surveillance program has harmed the effort and that some 'Rat senator (Traitorfeller?) blurted out that Bush has been talking about it, too. I could only shake my head. Leak a national security secret while accusing Bush of illegal spying, then blame Bush for compromising national security by defending himself against the ridiculous accusation. The 'Rat's brand of sandbox politics must be terminated.
Thanks for checking that out. That's how I remembered the sequence and I also remember Rockefeller sounding really funny, his voice had that tone one gets when something is very personal. (But I haven't seen enough of him to actually know if that isn't how he always sounds.)
What do you make about his question regarding the covert status? Was he trying to defend the leak because it wasn't covert?
Hey, it worked (sort of) for Joe Wilson, didn't it? He trashed the White House and when they defended themselves, you see what we got: Fitzgerald.
I hadn't thought of that ... he just may be trying to do that
I have had this thought from time to time; it's almost like if we're patient, it's all going to be connected and exposed.
Polygraphs are not reliable. I have beaten one in my time, and I was only 18 years old.
Are you saying the "terrorist surveillance program" was not a covert program ?
Then, how can the leak about it have hurt this country if it was not covert ? And if it's not covert, why can't anyone talk about it ?
Really confused now.
It was Levin. One of his more smarmy moments.
Blessings on that thought, Howlin.
You know, when the head of state is seeking a clean house, it's harder for the dirtballs to hide. And when the rugs are lifted, he isn't going to be afraid to call in the clean up crew. Sometimes the truth hurts (very badly), but people like W and those he has around him would rather face the bad pain short term so the country can have a clean house long term.