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Jed Babbin: Rockefeller IS the source of the leak on the NSA wiretaps..will he take a polygraph?
John Batchelor program..WABC radio

Posted on 02/03/2006 8:47:20 PM PST by ken5050

Turned on the radio, happened to catch the last segment of the John Batchelor show. He was interviewing Jeb Babbin....who many of us know and respect, and read his columns. I was absolutely stunned by what Babbin just said...hadn't seen/heard it anywheres..and thought it merits reposting for your benefit....


TOPICS: US: West Virginia; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 109th; babbin; batchelor; jayrockefeller; jedbabbin; johnbatchelor; leaks; nsa; spying; talkradio; traitor
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To: Agent Smith

If he actually did it he should fall on his sword literally, and right away, as that would be the best thing for the Congress and the country. However, knowing the arrogance of most Congressmen I doubt that "doing the right thing" is in their vocabulary.


51 posted on 02/03/2006 9:09:27 PM PST by pepperdog
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To: sinkspur

He's not the brightest bulb, so maybe he can be pushed into making a mistake.


52 posted on 02/03/2006 9:09:33 PM PST by onyx
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To: sinkspur

You're correct..Babbin said that polugraph results are not admissible, but he reiterated that under the code of secrecy, or whatever it is they sign..FAILURE to submit to a request for a polygraph is immediate grounds for loss of security clearance and access..


53 posted on 02/03/2006 9:10:09 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050
Ken,

I heard the whole segment with Babin as well. I am afraid that the Bush Administration, and their get along/go along attitude, will prevent them from going "nuclear" with this. Any doubt the dems would love to hang Roberts if he was the ranking member and Rockapooper was the chair?

MoodyBlu

54 posted on 02/03/2006 9:10:11 PM PST by MoodyBlu
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To: All

A polygraph would be almost as useful as a Magic 8-Ball.

They aren't even admissable in court.

Maybe a voice-stress analyzer would work, but you have to remember that Dems lie for a living.


55 posted on 02/03/2006 9:10:20 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Petronski
The prospect of Durbin, Rockefeller and Wyden refusing to take a polygraph makes smile REAL BIG.

I wonder, Barrister.....what if they don't refuse and lie to every question put, including the baseline?
56 posted on 02/03/2006 9:10:33 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: ken5050
Remember how scared Rockefeller looked during the week that the Democrat Senate Intelligence Committee memo came out? He was seriously afraid for his job until the other Democrats shifted the focus away from the contents of the memo towards how the memo was found.

The Republicans let him slip off the hook back then. It obviously emboldened him to go further. Are the Republicans going to do it again?

-PJ

57 posted on 02/03/2006 9:10:40 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Graymatter

"Babbin doesn't think they have the guts to indict a US senator. He said it would cause a battle royal on the Hill, if not a constitutional crisis'

This should be a no brainer for the White House. If you believe the polls, the American public do not trust the Rats with National Security and they are the wrong side on the issue of eavesdropping. Indicting or even opening an investigation of a Rat Senator(s) or his/her staff members would put the Rats is a box they may never,ever be able to get out of. Hello Whig party and Know Nothings of the 19th century!

If the shoes were on the other foot and it was a Rat in the White House and a GOP Senator that leaked something like this. The MSM and the Rat White House would have already strung up the rope.

No more Mr Nice Guy with a party that is becoming an enemy of to the security of this country and thus the Free World.


58 posted on 02/03/2006 9:11:12 PM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: onyx
Ok, skunk,...lol... the point is to make him refuse to take the polygraph. Let him dance and deny.

He might just take it and pass it. People who lie for a living have no conscience.

59 posted on 02/03/2006 9:13:59 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: ken5050
This was what I wrote in the Comments section of the post on Blog for Bush, February 02, 2006.
"Leaks Undermining The War On Terror"

Senator Jay Rockefeller, in my opinion, is the leaker of the NSA program.
He is the first high ranking government official mentioned in the article the NY Times broke about the NSA.
He is the first to publicly express his concerns of the legality of the program, after 18 months of knowing and being briefed on the program by Admin. officials.
He is the first to suddenly reveal a sealed letter to the VP expressing he had concerns about the program, but not once mentioning any concerns to the officials closest to the program.
He was the first to call for accountability of any wrong doings.
And now he is the first to try and deflect attention from finding the leaker and instead blaming the Bush admin.
I have another prediction and I can almost see it coming. Senator Jay Rockefeller will be the first high ranking government official to "speak" to the author of the original NSA article by the Times, James Risen about other matters relating to his book but will not be able to remember whether or not the subject of the NSA spying program was ever discussed.

Posted by: Andrew Bryant at February 2, 2006 06:12 PM


If Jed Babbin turns out to be correct, it would be great opportunity to send a message to all other "Sen. Hanson." That message being, you leak, you die.
60 posted on 02/03/2006 9:14:41 PM PST by coffee260 (coffee(I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!))
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To: Philistone

make him spend some of that money


61 posted on 02/03/2006 9:15:07 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (the friend of my enemy is my enemy)
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To: ken5050
Amazing that in this day and age, one could contemplate a sitting Senator undermining a nation's security--one could could practically go on national television, admit he did it, and have no repercussions. Heck, Sandy Berger should be in prison, and he's not.

This is the kind of stuff that eventually has people effictively remove their consent from those empowered to govern.

62 posted on 02/03/2006 9:15:32 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: pepperhead
He's too cerebrally limited to be an accomplished liar.
63 posted on 02/03/2006 9:15:39 PM PST by onyx
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To: Howlin

Monday...I'll do a live thread..


64 posted on 02/03/2006 9:15:42 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: onyx

Rich Rocky needs to be down in his West VA working
on the mine problems instead of undercutting Bush on
the war


65 posted on 02/03/2006 9:17:30 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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To: ken5050

No one's above the law. Rockefeller should pay the same price anyone else would pay. If he did the crime, he can do the time...


66 posted on 02/03/2006 9:17:34 PM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: ken5050; Howlin
He did say however, that any senator or Congressional staffer that holds a security clearance can be asked at any time to take a polygraph. The individual can of course refuse to take the test, but failure to do so is reason to remove that person's security clearance.

Is this written in the rules??

Because at the hearing yesterday .. After a few stern words to the Dems with regard to their questions ... Pat Roberts mention the FBI asking members (I think last year) to take one and that Roberts thought it was an insult

I thought it was odd that he brought that up

67 posted on 02/03/2006 9:18:07 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Grampa Dave; ASA Vet; HiJinx; beyond the sea; Rembrandt
Usual suspects ...Ping


What happens to a US Senator who violates National Secrets Act?
68 posted on 02/03/2006 9:18:27 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: Doe Eyes

"Intelligence tests? Fertility tests? What are you looking for?"

Wasserman test - it would explain the insanity, at least...


69 posted on 02/03/2006 9:18:48 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval")
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To: SoCalPol


He really needs to get the hell out of politics.


70 posted on 02/03/2006 9:19:29 PM PST by onyx
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To: ken5050

Types of security clearances:

The scope of investigative work needed to grant a security clearance depends on the level of clearance being requested. There are three basic levels of security classification:

CONFIDENTIAL:
This refers to material, which, if improperly disclosed, could be reasonably expected to cause some measurable damage to the national security. The vast majority of military personnel are given this very basic level of clearance. This level needs to be reinvestigated every fifteen years.*
SECRET:
The unauthorized disclosure of secret information could be expected to cause serious damage to the national security. This level is reinvestigated every ten years.*
TOP SECRET:
Individuals with this clearance have access to information or material that could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security if it was released without authorization. This level needs to be reinvestigated every five years.*
* Reinvestigations are more important than the original investigation because those individuals who have held clearances longer are more likely to be working with increasingly critical information.


http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:ULkZiSLNOnoJ:www.taonline.com/securityclearances/+types+of+security+clearances+code&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1


71 posted on 02/03/2006 9:19:49 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: ken5050

I heard tonight that the committee told Gonzalez to plan on being there all day on Monday.


72 posted on 02/03/2006 9:19:59 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: zook

I'll have to check the Bush Manual of New Tone but I'm pretty sure Rockefeller could endorse assassination and the President would find a reason to overlook it. "Folks get upset. I appreciate that."


73 posted on 02/03/2006 9:21:01 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Mo1

Are polygraph (lie detector) tests required?

The use of the polygraph for any Department of Defense program is governed by DoD Directive 5210.48 and DoD Regulation 5320.48R.

A polygraph examination is mandatory for employment by or assignment to the DSS and the National Security Agency (NSA) and for assignment (or loan) of DoD personnel to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA ). It is also mandatory for some SCI and SAP access programs.

Additionally, the polygraph may be used for any other personnel security investigations to resolve serious credible derogatory information and then only with consent. No adverse action may be taken solely on the basis of a polygraph examination that indicates deception, except upon the written finding by the Secretary or Under Secretary of Defense, or a Secretary of one of the military departments, that the classified information in question is of such extreme sensitivity that access under the circumstances poses an unacceptable risk to the national security.

Polygraph examinations may also be used to supplement investigations of federal felonies, of unauthorized disclosure of classified information or of alleged acts of terrorism, or when requested by the subject of a personnel security investigation, for exculpation with respect to allegations arising in the investigation.

The DoD regulation details the exact manner in which the examination must be conducted. No relevant question may be asked during the polygraph examination that has not been reviewed with the person to be examined before the examination, and all questions must have a special relevance to the inquiry. Certain "validating" questions may be asked without prior disclosure to establish a baseline from which the examiners can judge the validity of the answers to the relevant questions. The probing of a person's thoughts or beliefs, or questions on subjects that are not directly relevant to the investigation, such as religious or political beliefs or beliefs and opinions about racial matters, are prohibited.

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74 posted on 02/03/2006 9:21:09 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: ken5050


Monday. Hmmmmmm. I guess I'll change my Monday plans to Tuesday.


75 posted on 02/03/2006 9:21:35 PM PST by onyx
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To: onyx

He really needs to get the hell out of politics.

and that too.
He is such a smug SOB


76 posted on 02/03/2006 9:21:52 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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To: MoodyBlu

Thanks for confirming..weren't you stunned also..? I was blown away..<>
...I caught AGAG on Brit's today, and he looked like the proverbial cat that swallowed the canary...very confident..and as I said..Babbin , IMHO would not be going public with this unless encouraged to do so...there's more afoot here..I expect..happily..


77 posted on 02/03/2006 9:22:26 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050

Did you ever notice that Rockefeller always looks guilty or like he is hiding something? I am serious, his demeanor and body language make him look like a Dog that peed on the carpet. Leahy has the same problem, he always looks guilty,but he probably did pee on the Carpet.


78 posted on 02/03/2006 9:23:07 PM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: SoCalPol


LOL -- and arrogant as well.


79 posted on 02/03/2006 9:23:16 PM PST by onyx
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To: Howlin
Types of security clearances

There are others above those on the list.
80 posted on 02/03/2006 9:25:47 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: onyx
He really needs to get the hell out of politics.

Maybe we can give him that extra shove he seems to need!

81 posted on 02/03/2006 9:26:24 PM PST by CAluvdubya (The ignorant defeatocrats have declared war on the War On Terror!)
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To: samantha

yup...


82 posted on 02/03/2006 9:26:44 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: wildcatf4f3

If this "Senator" is the leak, he should be impeached.


83 posted on 02/03/2006 9:26:59 PM PST by DeaconNoGood
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To: CAluvdubya


The shove that WVA voters should have given him long ago.


84 posted on 02/03/2006 9:27:34 PM PST by onyx
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To: Howlin; MoodyBlu

MB..can you please confirm what Babbin said..as I reported it...that refusal is an automatic loss of security clearance,a nd that Babbin specifically mentioned Rockefeler, Durbin ,and Wyden..


85 posted on 02/03/2006 9:28:35 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: N8VTXNinWV

Ping!


86 posted on 02/03/2006 9:28:55 PM PST by shezza (4 ... and counting)
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To: CAluvdubya

Keeper says hi to Tucker and glad to hear he is
feeling well tonight.
Just keeping Keeper off my projects here at the computer


87 posted on 02/03/2006 9:29:41 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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To: Howlin
Additionally, the polygraph may be used for any other personnel security investigations to resolve serious credible derogatory information and then only with consent

I'm blurry eyed .. but it sounds like they can't be forced to take one

I still wonder what the exact rules for the Senate Intel are

Also .. after the hearing yesterday .. Rockefeller, Feinstein and Wyden were in a little pow wow with a couple of staffer .. though there wasn't a mic and I couldn't tell what they were saying

88 posted on 02/03/2006 9:30:31 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: ken5050

When Rockefeller made that statement about the Executive Branch probably was the source of the leak, he was slapped down by FBI Director, Robert Mueller, since as he said the Justise Dept was a part of the Executive Branch and Rockefeller had no evidence that the Executive Branch was the source. Mueller was pissed and Jay "LEAKER"(Traitor) Rockefeller had to back down.

As you may recall, the NY Slimes treasonous article even mentions Rockefeller having doubts about the program. Rockefeller was not even to discuss this classified NATIONAL SECURITY Program with his staff. Yea, Rockefeller was one of the leakers.


89 posted on 02/03/2006 9:30:46 PM PST by nightowl
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To: samantha

LOL...this is gonna be SO much fun...I did watch Gonzalez tonight on Brit's show...and he didn't look like he felt guilty about anything...

and judging from that way that President Bush is purposely bringing up the subject, I think he feels on pretty solid footing as well..

BTW...Leahy DOES pee on the carpet..because he is "leaky" Leahy.


90 posted on 02/03/2006 9:31:29 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: ken5050

Rockefeller's pointing at the executive branch (a.k.a. WH) seemed to me completely gratuitous. He gave no reason whatsoever for his allegation.


91 posted on 02/03/2006 9:31:54 PM PST by Elsiejay (Forever wondering)
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To: ken5050

I thought you would. Keep us posted, this will be hugh I am sure. That was a good heads up play.


92 posted on 02/03/2006 9:32:32 PM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: SoCalPol
Those papers are yours only as long as Keeper allows you to have them! LOL

Tucker thinks he likes pizza, nearly drove us nuts trying to get some!

So, think this will finally do ol' Rockefeller in? (rubbing hands together in anticipation)

93 posted on 02/03/2006 9:32:37 PM PST by CAluvdubya (The ignorant defeatocrats have declared war on the War On Terror!)
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To: Elsiejay

Since when do these Dems ever give a reason whatsoever for their allegations.
I can inagine trying to nail Rockerfeller on this one. The Libs will go WILD , Bush Nazi tactics , blah lbah blah


94 posted on 02/03/2006 9:34:05 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: ken5050
He said that he expected that the source of the leaks would turn out to be the Executive Branch...i.e. the White House.

Rockefeller was right, the Executive Branch told Rockefeller (and other Congresscritters) then Rockefeller leaked to the Press. Ultimate source the Executive Branch.

95 posted on 02/03/2006 9:34:11 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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To: BIGLOOK

That's what I was looking for, but I couldn't find it.

Isn't there one called CODE?


96 posted on 02/03/2006 9:34:59 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Mo1

I don't know the rules and laws that govern the Senate Intelligence Committee...but, you and I both see that according to the Senators...

THEY are untouchable...whereas President Bush has to justify every move he makes.


97 posted on 02/03/2006 9:35:29 PM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: ken5050

I would not put rockefeller above treason. he considers himself above the law, like clinton (both) and kennedy.


98 posted on 02/03/2006 9:35:43 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Txsleuth; Howlin; All

Off topic a tad...but did anyone hear Mark Levin tonight? I caught a few minutes..He was discussing some memomrandum that a Cinto DoJ atty wrote in 1994 ( and the guy has now written something attacking Bush about the NSA wiretaps)back then he said that the president.( Clinton) has the absolute authority to IGNORE any act of Congress that impedes his constitutional authority...anyone have any info?


99 posted on 02/03/2006 9:35:59 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: CAluvdubya

Rocky and the rest of his ilk need to be exposed and
this corruption montra the dems are on needs to be
turned around where it belongs.


100 posted on 02/03/2006 9:37:27 PM PST by SoCalPol (Cowards Cut and Run, Marines Never Do)
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