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Jed Babbin: Rockefeller IS the source of the leak on the NSA wiretaps..will he take a polygraph?
John Batchelor program..WABC radio

Posted on 02/03/2006 8:47:20 PM PST by ken5050

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To: Let's Roll

I have followed this thread and the arguments are valid but a few things need to be considered. If this is valid and true then the White House needs to quietly let him know that. Leave it at that. Politics wise it might be useful later on. My fear is this that the Dems take control of the House. The result the new head of the Judicary committee Mr Conyers starts his Impeachment proceedings. I know alot of people laugh that off but I am convinced once the Jeannie is out the bottle it will take a life of its own. Just the nuisance of such hearings and Conyers with a subpoena power starting investigations all over the place is detrimental to us in a time of War.

Remember asking people and demanding people to take lie dectors is a two way street. I would like to avoid any additional trauma to the nation.

Something like this might be able to be used if the worse happens this Novemember to calm things down a bit. Other words the Powers that be will inform all the sponsors and co sponsors of HS Res 635 to calm the hell down.


151 posted on 02/04/2006 1:26:06 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Let's Roll

He's a senator and a Democrat one. I just don't see this gaining any traction.


152 posted on 02/04/2006 1:27:36 AM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: CyberAnt

Babbin said his souces inside the intelligence community briefed him..


153 posted on 02/04/2006 4:11:46 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: Carolinamom; Peach; prairiebreeze; Dog; Miss Marple

interesting stuff here.


154 posted on 02/04/2006 4:56:37 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Never go to bed angry. Instead, stay up and plot your revenge.)
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To: ken5050; defconw

Mark Levin ping!

Last nights thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1571272/posts


155 posted on 02/04/2006 5:03:03 AM PST by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: ken5050

This was all Rockefeller and the Dems plan in the memo that got out by mistake because the dolts put it on a computer that Republicans had access to, remember? The poor Republican aide who revealed the contents got fired and no blame was put on the Dems by their lapdogs in the msm, so Rockefeller just resumed the plan. The memo implied that Roberts, the chairman of the Intelligence Com., was not too bright and they would be successful in bringing charges against the President for actions linked to the Patriot Act, I seem to recall. When was this "Memogate" incident anyway?


156 posted on 02/04/2006 5:04:31 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: maggief
g;mornin''..I did a quick scan of the thread..codn't see a reference..it was about 6:40......

Later, perhaps...I'm out and about all day..

157 posted on 02/04/2006 5:09:07 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: ken5050; defconw

Perhaps defconw can be of help.

Enjoy your day!


158 posted on 02/04/2006 5:16:41 AM PST by maggief (and the dessert cart rolls on ...)
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To: Iowa Granny

VERY "interesting stuff". If Rockefeller's staff did not know about the letter in his safe and Risen did, guess who told him....and leaked? Ha.


159 posted on 02/04/2006 5:18:40 AM PST by Carolinamom (I don't believe in a government that protects us from ourselves. ---Ronald Reagan)
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To: kittymyrib
Maybe I am not remembering correctly but wasn't this particular memo leaked to Hannity, and Hannity has never revealed his source just said we would be shock at who leaked it???
160 posted on 02/04/2006 5:22:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: ken5050

Rockefeller called Syria. Sure he called the NYT. And he keeps his money off shore.


161 posted on 02/04/2006 5:32:18 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: ken5050

from macsmind (1/21/06):

" On Rockefeller like a Fly on ....

I haven't forgotten Senator Rockefeller or his plan. And neither has the DOJ. He's going to get nailed and soon.

The "hold up" over the NSA leak investigation for which he is suspect number one, is widening to include his activities in 2002, specifically his act of treason against the US to which he admitted to, but the MSM of course wouldn't report.

Last month I was going to post from this very good article that more eloquently than I outlines the exact nature of Senator John Rockefeller's treason against the United States...."

http://macsmind.blogspot.com/2006/01/on-rockefeller-like-fly-on.html


162 posted on 02/04/2006 5:54:01 AM PST by frankjr
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To: Iowa Granny

Umm-hmmm. I think the best we could hope for is for Rocky the squirrel to resign from Intel Committee. I don't hold out much optimism for Republican determination on this one.


163 posted on 02/04/2006 5:59:52 AM PST by prairiebreeze (God bless our fine military and their families. God bless them all.)
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To: onyx

They nailed Sandy "socks" Burger too. rme


164 posted on 02/04/2006 6:02:08 AM PST by tioga (Speaking out from the god-forsaken frozen tundra of the Hildebeast.)
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To: prairiebreeze
I think the best we could hope for is for Rocky the squirrel to resign from Intel Committee.

I concur. This administration has not shown any inclination to take U.S. citizens on,,,.

Go Along to Get Along seems to be the Administration's theory with the Dems when it comes to malfeasance.

Pogo said it best: We have met the enemy, and it is US

165 posted on 02/04/2006 6:13:52 AM PST by Iowa Granny (Never go to bed angry. Instead, stay up and plot your revenge.)
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To: de Buillion

I agree. They are both trying to destroy freedom, America and Western civilization.


166 posted on 02/04/2006 6:24:57 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: nickcarraway

"Is there even the remotest chance he will be held accountable in the slightest way for any of this?"

Is there even the remotest chance that ANY DEMOCRAT WILL EVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING EVER?!

The entire Democratic party and the so called main stream media are all actively commiting treason on a daily basis as far as I'm concerned.






167 posted on 02/04/2006 6:32:58 AM PST by garyhope (Happy, healthy, prosperous New Year to all good Freepers and our brave military.)
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To: oceanview

If a Senator instructed a member of his or her staff to leak classified information the Senator is the leaker!


168 posted on 02/04/2006 6:33:59 AM PST by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Para-Ord.45
You can say that again. The perp MUST be held accountable. We all know full well, that if a Republican broke the law, they'd be held accountable. I'm sick of the one-sided justice in this country.

Whoever did this has put this country at risk.

169 posted on 02/04/2006 6:35:50 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: sageb1
Brain Scans? I think they need to scan for Goa’ulds.


170 posted on 02/04/2006 6:37:25 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: ken5050
Jed Babbin/John Batchelor Ping!!!! They replay the Friday show on Sirius radio Sat: 9a-noon EST and Sunday 8a-11am. I think FX replays it over the weekend as well.
Jed Babbin has bigtime credibility in my book and did not sparse his words. Estimated DOJ will be moving hard on this in three months time, with the staffs of Rockefeller and Durbin in the cross-hairs.
171 posted on 02/04/2006 6:40:28 AM PST by Shqipo (2006 is Bush Country!)
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To: onyx

Me too!


172 posted on 02/04/2006 6:46:48 AM PST by meema (I am a Conservative Traditional Republican, NOT an elitist, sexist , cynic or right wing extremist!)
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To: Iowa Granny

I thought there was an investigation of Rockefeller going on regarding this matter, but since I haven't read anything about it in a while, maybe Republicans didn't push the issue.


173 posted on 02/04/2006 6:47:19 AM PST by Peach
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To: ken5050

Hatred toward Bush is much stronger than Patriotism. The bitter Hatred clouds making the right decision to protect us against future terrorism.


174 posted on 02/04/2006 6:48:13 AM PST by Revererdrv
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To: Agent Smith
My bet is that Jay will take the fall. Its universally acknowledged on the Hill (and by those who have had personal contact with him!) he is not very bright and therefore is a good partisan point man. Co-chair of Senate Intel is not a big plus come re-election time. There are not big pots of money that can be siphoned in WV to bribe constituents . Most WV'ers don't even know Jaybird co-chairs that committee ! Also isn't his committee term about up? So taking a bullet for the team is not a big loss for the DemoDummies. His seat also viewed as a safe democrat seat. Jay could take a dump on the American flag on the 50 yard line during half time at Mountaineer field in Morgantown and a majority of WV'ers would rationalize it away & re-elect him.
175 posted on 02/04/2006 6:55:10 AM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: ken5050

Constitutional crisis??? Hell, church bells will peal, children will parade, kazoos will be distributed the day this lying sack of sh*t is locked behind bars! Let the trumpets blow! Warm up the firing squad! Order more potassium cyanide! The Day of the Rat is upon us!


176 posted on 02/04/2006 6:56:09 AM PST by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: Elsiejay
Rockefeller's pointing at the executive branch (a.k.a. WH) seemed to me completely gratuitous. He gave no reason whatsoever for his allegation.

A clumsy attempt at misdirection, IMO. That, instead, drew more attention to him.

177 posted on 02/04/2006 7:09:34 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: ken5050
did anyone hear Mark Levin tonight? I caught a few minutes..He was discussing some memomrandum that a Cinto DoJ atty wrote in 1994 ( and the guy has now written something attacking Bush about the NSA wiretaps)back then he said that the president.( Clinton) has the absolute authority to IGNORE any act of Congress that impedes his constitutional authority...anyone have any info?

I would guess that the memorandum related to the search of Aldrich Ames' residence.

In a little-remembered debate from 1994, the Clinton administration argued that the president has "inherent authority" to order physical searches -- including break-ins at the homes of U.S. citizens -- for foreign intelligence purposes without any warrant or permission from any outside body. Even after the administration ultimately agreed with Congress's decision to place the authority to pre-approve such searches in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court, President Clinton still maintained that he had sufficient authority to order such searches on his own.

"The Department of Justice believes, and the case law supports, that the president has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches for foreign intelligence purposes," Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on July 14, 1994, "and that the President may, as has been done, delegate this authority to the Attorney General."

Clinton Claimed Authority to Order No-Warrant Searches
Byron York - December 20, 2005

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1553690/posts <- Summary of Ames Investigation
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1567288/posts <- GAO Report on "data sharing"

Note the date on the "data sharing" report.

178 posted on 02/04/2006 7:15:51 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: TomGuy

The clock's not on the administration, it's on the Dems considering whether they can exploit a domestic spying lawbreaking accusation by the midterm elections. The Dem leadership knows who leaked it, and that the identity of the leak card will be played by the administration exactly when they need to accentuate their reason for not obtaining a warrant - leakers will compromise the program and thereby deprive us of valuable intelligence. Exposing Jay would be good if they did it now, but it would be better if they did it just as the Dems are at their most indignant over the administration's assertion that vital programs would be compromised by those who have decided to go to war against our war on terrorism.


179 posted on 02/04/2006 7:38:16 AM PST by navycdrret (I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution...)
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To: Dolphy
thought it was odd that he brought it up too. I'm trying to remember various exchanges from that hearing given this news and what I keep coming back to is Rockefeller's last statement, which followed Roberts odd comment

His comments followed Rockefeller's .. but I can't remember exactly what

Hey OXENinFLA .... I can't seem to find the transcript of this Senate Intel Hearing ... do you know where I can find it???

180 posted on 02/04/2006 7:49:30 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: BIGLOOK

Many of us for years have felt that Rockefellow has been a spigot or an aquaduct behind the leaks.


181 posted on 02/04/2006 8:05:08 AM PST by Grampa Dave (The NY Slimes has been committing treason and sedition for decades.)
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To: ken5050

Calling Senator Rockefeller
by Hugh Hewitt
February 4, 2006 05:35 AM PST
The American Spectator's Jed Babbin was on John Batchelor's radio show yesterday, and stated that the intelligence community believes West Virignia Senator Jay Rockefeller is the leaker who illegally supplied the New York Times with the details of the NSA program.

Given that the CIA's Porter J. Goss stated emphatically that the leak had done very serious damage to the Uniterd States, if Rockefeller is a suspect, he should be hauled before a Grand Jury asap. When the crime was bribery (Abscam)no one protested that a sitting U.S. Senator ought not to be atarget.

If the crime is much more serious --and this is-- purported good intentions should not shield the suspect.

Has any member of the press asked Rockefeller point blank if he's the law breaker yet?

Jed Babbin sits in for me on Monday's show. That's the day the hearings into the NSA program begin, and Jed will no doubt continue this conversation then.


182 posted on 02/04/2006 8:08:34 AM PST by ontos-on
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To: TomGuy
They gave all the Clinton corruption a pass.

Actually they "saved his bacon." Trying him on is sexual peccadillo's did truly saved him. Although disgusting, morally and otherwise, it did not rise to the level of impeachment. As he could never have been convicted, Congress's heart wasn't in it (Republican or Democrat), it wasted time and money.

The House managers and others should have charged and tried him on his national security failures. These instances and circumstances were documented even then. It might even have made adjustments in how government works and possibly forestalled or even diffused 9-11. I read once (in some lawyers book on the impeachment) that this was the initial case but "the powers that be" changed the course of the proceedings. Congress didn't have the stomach for the truth?
183 posted on 02/04/2006 8:31:26 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: ken5050

Time for a treason trial and a public hanging.


184 posted on 02/04/2006 8:55:21 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Cobra64

Either did OJ, but it can't stop a person from trying...


185 posted on 02/04/2006 9:12:14 AM PST by GOPJ (President Bush to Democrats: "Hindsight is not wisdom. Second-guessing is not strategy")
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To: Dolphy
I thought it was odd that he brought it up too. I'm trying to remember various exchanges from that hearing given this news and what I keep coming back to is Rockefeller's last statement, which followed Roberts odd comment

I thought I had recorded over the hearing that I taped .. but I still had the end of it

Roberts comments came after DiFi's questioning

Roberts kept talking about the committee and (9/11) investigations under previous leadership and independent staff .. which I believe would be Rockefeller

Also .. after Roberts tried to end the hearing .. Rockefeller chimmed in and wanted to respond .. and in the middle of Rockefellers lecture about following the law because the law is the law .. Roberts left the hearing before jay finished talking

Didn't Rockefeller also ask if the program was covert?

Yes he did .. he asked if it was a covert action as defined by the National Security Act

Negroponte answered no and then Rockeller said that was what they were told by the Justice Department yesterday

186 posted on 02/04/2006 9:28:38 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Txsleuth
Okay....I sort of understand why the Bush wouldn't want the "hassle" of trying to indict a sitting Senator...especially one that is the Ranking Member of the Intelligence Committee...BUT... If they can find someone who can/will testify to Rocky's involvement in getting this stuff to Risen or the NYTimes...then Bush would have no choice. He is responsible for keeping this country safe...and if a Senator is working against him on this...then he must be removed, and if he broke a law in the process...then he must be adjudicated..

"solemnly swear...to support and defend (or preserve, protect and defend) the Constitution of the United States...against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic..."

187 posted on 02/04/2006 9:42:38 AM PST by Christian4Bush (More than 3000 people lost their "civil liberties" on September 11, 2001.)
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To: ken5050
I caught AGAG on Brit's today, and he looked like the proverbial cat that swallowed the canary...very confident..and as I said..Babbin , IMHO would not be going public with this unless encouraged to do so...there's more afoot here..I expect..happily..

Hi, Ken.

Will you be starting a live thread on Monday? If you do, please PING me. I love to read stuff like this, but as I will be at work, I may not have all day to try to find the thread. Thanks much.

188 posted on 02/04/2006 9:59:16 AM PST by Christian4Bush (More than 3000 people lost their "civil liberties" on September 11, 2001.)
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To: ken5050

I am expecting a massive amount of government corruption to be splayed, displayed, and dealt with before W's second term (thank You, Lord!) is completed. And with a praying president and a God who cares, I expect people to pay for their nefarious deeds in proportion to the dastard factor. (Yes, I mean "dastard" there.)


189 posted on 02/04/2006 10:05:03 AM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: binkdeville
Since when do these Dems ever give a reason whatsoever for their allegations. I can inagine trying to nail Rockerfeller on this one. The Libs will go WILD , Bush Nazi tactics , blah blah blah

They already call Bush a Nazi, without cause...just the other day, when Sheehan was removed, some Congresscritter said they didn't know why "Bush had to sic his Gestapo guards on her". They may as well do the right thing, regardless of the name calling.

190 posted on 02/04/2006 10:05:16 AM PST by Christian4Bush (More than 3000 people lost their "civil liberties" on September 11, 2001.)
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To: ken5050
"IMHO would not be going public with this unless encouraged to do so...there's more afoot here..I expect..happily.."

I suspect you are right. After reading all the commentary to this post, I wonder if we may be misconstruing one more gigantic 'rope-a-dope' on the part of the Administration. At least I hope so.

I say that because there is no doubt that the AG is pursuing an investigation, beyond his appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Also, the fact that Porter Goss and John Negroponte made it clear to the Intelligence Committee this week that the NSA leak has hurt ongoing investigations is proof that the Administration takes the leaks seriously. The just filed suit by Iman Ferris' attorney to obtain NSA wiretapping information against his client simply supports that contention. And the President's willingness to 'talk it up', whenever possible, has helped to expose the Dems for what they are; the anti-war, anti-security party.

I, for one, intend to simply sit back and see what unfolds. I believe the fact Babbin's information has become public serves a purpose. We may not know for months exactly what that purpose is, however I do believe we will find out in the 'fullness of time'.

Let's enjoy the show, folks!

191 posted on 02/04/2006 10:12:48 AM PST by bcsco ("The Constitution is not a suicide pact"...A. Lincoln)
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To: ken5050
right before the hearing ended, Rockefeller made what seemed at the time to be an idiotic statement. He said that he expected that the source of the leaks would turn out to be the Executive Branch...

I heard that Goss testified that discussion of the NSA terrorist surveillance program has harmed the effort and that some 'Rat senator (Traitorfeller?) blurted out that Bush has been talking about it, too. I could only shake my head. Leak a national security secret while accusing Bush of illegal spying, then blame Bush for compromising national security by defending himself against the ridiculous accusation. The 'Rat's brand of sandbox politics must be terminated.

192 posted on 02/04/2006 10:23:10 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that Democrats are patriots?)
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To: Mo1
Also .. after Roberts tried to end the hearing .. Rockefeller chimmed in and wanted to respond .. and in the middle of Rockefellers lecture about following the law because the law is the law .. Roberts left the hearing before jay finished talking

Thanks for checking that out. That's how I remembered the sequence and I also remember Rockefeller sounding really funny, his voice had that tone one gets when something is very personal. (But I haven't seen enough of him to actually know if that isn't how he always sounds.)

What do you make about his question regarding the covert status? Was he trying to defend the leak because it wasn't covert?

193 posted on 02/04/2006 10:27:07 AM PST by Dolphy
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
I could only shake my head. Leak a national security secret while accusing Bush of illegal spying, then blame Bush for compromising national security by defending himself against the ridiculous accusation.

Hey, it worked (sort of) for Joe Wilson, didn't it? He trashed the White House and when they defended themselves, you see what we got: Fitzgerald.

194 posted on 02/04/2006 10:28:24 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: Dolphy
What do you make about his question regarding the covert status? Was he trying to defend the leak because it wasn't covert?

I hadn't thought of that ... he just may be trying to do that

195 posted on 02/04/2006 10:29:12 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: GretchenM
I am expecting a massive amount of government corruption to be splayed, displayed, and dealt with before W's second term (thank You, Lord!) is completed.

I have had this thought from time to time; it's almost like if we're patient, it's all going to be connected and exposed.

196 posted on 02/04/2006 10:29:52 AM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: ken5050

Polygraphs are not reliable. I have beaten one in my time, and I was only 18 years old.


197 posted on 02/04/2006 10:30:17 AM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Dolphy

Are you saying the "terrorist surveillance program" was not a covert program ?

Then, how can the leak about it have hurt this country if it was not covert ? And if it's not covert, why can't anyone talk about it ?

Really confused now.


198 posted on 02/04/2006 10:41:58 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
some 'Rat senator (Traitorfeller?) blurted out that Bush has been talking about it

It was Levin. One of his more smarmy moments.

199 posted on 02/04/2006 10:47:36 AM PST by Bahbah (An admitted Snow Flake and a member of Sam's Club)
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To: Howlin

Blessings on that thought, Howlin.

You know, when the head of state is seeking a clean house, it's harder for the dirtballs to hide. And when the rugs are lifted, he isn't going to be afraid to call in the clean up crew. Sometimes the truth hurts (very badly), but people like W and those he has around him would rather face the bad pain short term so the country can have a clean house long term.


200 posted on 02/04/2006 10:49:02 AM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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