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Power Play? Board boots Baptist pastor in flap over speaking in tongues
Journal Now.com ^ | Saturday, February 4, 2006 | By Greg Horton

Posted on 02/04/2006 2:44:05 AM PST by WKB

ENID, Okla.

A Southern Baptist pastor being removed from a national board governing worldwide evangelism says he doesn't speak in tongues himself but is defending missionaries who do to keep the denomination "broad in our cooperation."

The Rev. Wade Burleson, the senior pastor of Emmanuel Baptist Church in Enid, said that the board of trustees of the Southern Baptist Convention's International Mission Board wants him to be removed because of his criticism of a policy change enacted by the IMB in November 2005. It stated that any candidate speaking in tongues, even privately, "has eliminated himself or herself from being a representative of the IMB of the SBC."

In a statement, the International Mission Board says it wants him removed not because of the tongues issue, but because of "broken trust and resistance to accountability." Burleson's removal depends on a June vote of the entire Southern Baptist Convention, but the controversy is being watched beyond Baptist circles, largely because of the dispute over tongues, an issue that has rankled many religious groups.

Tongues is described in the Bible as a spiritual language used by early Christians, enabled by the Holy Spirit. The issue of whether it is still relevant, or appropriate, for modern times has divided many denominations.

Burleson says he is not most concerned about tongues, but a willingness to remove ministers who disagree with what he and others consider "nonessential doctrines." Since the changes in the mission board's policy were made official, Burleson has been writing open letters and explanations of his position on his blog, kerussocharis.blogspot.com.

He has repeatedly referred to those who wanted the policy changes as "crusading conservatives."

"Crusading conservatives seek to convince you that their interpretation of the Bible on nonessential doctrines must be accepted by all conservatives, and if someone chooses to not conform to their specific interpretation, then he/she is removed from service," Burleson said.

Burleson says he considers himself a "cooperating conservative," which he defines as a person who is in agreement on the major doctrines of the Bible but gives freedom in areas of interpretation regarding nonessential doctrines. The SBC has long considered the Reformation's rallying cries of faith alone, grace alone, Scripture alone and Christ alone as summing up the major doctrines of Scripture.

The use of the spiritual gift known as tongues or glossolalia would fall into the nonessential category. Southern Baptists have a policy that prohibits their ministers from using tongues in a public setting.

"I do not want people to lose sight of the real issue," Burleson said. "It is not about the new policies. It is the direction we seem to be moving as a convention that shuts out dissent and desires conformity in the interpretation of minor doctrines."

Burleson said he does not practice a "private prayer language," the phrase some use for speaking in tongues, nor does anyone he would consider a close friend or family member. The issue, he said, is one of principle and "is not personal."

Leon McBeth is a retired distinguished professor of church history at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas. He said that the SBC has a long-standing antipathy toward what some call the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit.

"In my day, our concern over the tongues issue was a biblical one," McBeth said. "In the Bible, tongues is always associated with conflict. And tongues isn't exclusive to Christianity. The practice goes at least as far back as the Oracle at Delphi.

"Sometime in the 1970s, as a way of ameliorating opposition to tongues, some Southern Baptists began to talk about private prayer language. They believed it was less offensive than calling it tongues."

Lyle Story, a professor of biblical languages and New Testament at Regent University School of Divinity in Virginia Beach, Va., said that the Southern Baptist resistance to tongues is tied to their belief that all the miraculous gifts (healing, prophecy, tongues, miracles) ceased with the death of the original 12 apostles and the completion of the Bible.

Burleson said he is resistant to the policy change because so many Christian men and women throughout history would have violated it.

"Some of our greatest missionaries of all time had a private prayer language, including Miss Bertha Smith of China, who led thousands of people to Christ and died an ambassador of the Southern Baptist Convention at the age of 100," he said.

Jerry Rankin, the president of the International Mission Board, has acknowledged that he has practiced a private prayer language for 30 years.

"We have become so intolerant that everyone must now march in lockstep with us or we kick them out," McBeth said. "I believe this (the policy change) was part of a power play to force Rankin into retirement."

The IMB made the policy change non-retroactive, so Rankin's position as president will not be threatened.

The trustees of the IMB deny that Burleson's criticism of the policy changes had a bearing on their decision to work to remove him. In an official statement released Jan. 11, board chairman Tom Hatley said: "In taking this action, trustees addressed issues involving broken trust and resistance to accountability, not Burleson's opposition to policies recently enacted by the board."

Burleson will remain on the board until the Southern Baptist Convention meets in Greensboro in June. The convention must vote to remove him, as the IMB has no power to do so. Burleson said he remains a strong supporter of the SBC and IMB.

"The International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention is doing the greatest work in our 161-year-old history," Burleson said. "I and my church support the IMB. We will continue to support the IMB."


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1 posted on 02/04/2006 2:44:09 AM PST by WKB
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To: tutstar; caryatid; Nightshift; TexGuy; fortheDeclaration; DocRock; Ranald S. MacKenzie; ...

Baptist Ping
Popcorn anyone?


2 posted on 02/04/2006 2:44:55 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB

Oh man, why did you have to go there? I'm staying awaaaaaaayyyy from this. bye.


3 posted on 02/04/2006 2:48:18 AM PST by ovrtaxt (I have a crush on this bag lady. Does that make me a hobosexual?)
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To: ovrtaxt

Oh man, why did you have to go there?




The devil made me do it??? :>)


4 posted on 02/04/2006 2:49:42 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB
A Southern Baptist pastor being removed from a national board governing worldwide evangelism says he doesn't speak in tongues himself but is defending missionaries who do to keep the denomination "broad in our cooperation."

Sounds like the Sountern Baptist have a problem with parts of the Bible.

5 posted on 02/04/2006 2:51:56 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Sounds like the Sountern Baptist have a problem with parts of the Bible.




Maybe you should chnage your screen name to
"Sometimes Right"!!!


6 posted on 02/04/2006 2:54:02 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right

This doesnt surprise me. The SBC can see the trends as well as anyone. The SBC is starting to show levels of decline. As a former Baptist but still an interested observor it all comes down to this Religious Education. That has gone down hill big time. SBC of course has never been big at all on Speaking in Tounges. But the issue is the growing Pentecostal Movement itself. One reason the SBC memebers are at risk is that they have really forgotten to teach and drill into the youth an Trinitarian concept of God.


7 posted on 02/04/2006 2:59:36 AM PST by bayourant
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To: WKB
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8 posted on 02/04/2006 3:00:47 AM PST by charrisGOP ("Troubles are often the tools by which God fashions us for better things." --Henry Ward Beecher)
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To: bayourant

Futhermore, let me elaborate. Just not on Trinitarism but on a whole host of issues the Evanglical church has that educated their members. This is really quite ironic since the Scholarship in Academic circles in Evanglical Thought has increased greatly.


9 posted on 02/04/2006 3:03:53 AM PST by bayourant
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To: WKB
Maybe you should chnage your screen name to "Sometimes Right"!!!

The idea the gifts of the holy spirit died with the apostles is laughable. There is no Biblical support for that assertion. It is also odd to call it a private prayer language. What speaking is tongues is according to the Bible is evidence of being filled with the holy spirit. Nothing more, nothing less. Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.

10 posted on 02/04/2006 3:05:30 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB

I always thought these dudes with foreign tongue chatter....were having some kinda drug flashback from events in New Orleans, which we won't describe in detail...but the ladies involved weren't members of the local church or even Baptists.

Having grown in a Baptist community and attended throughout my youth...my dad one day laid down a pearl of wisdom. "Son, you need some morals and strength in life...with character...and always some patience...but when some dang fool is standing in front of you for an hour...in some kinda convulsive fit and appears to be in some kinda "foreign tongues" episode...you'd best leave the church and find a good fishfry place to cool off and chill out. There are better ways to enjoy one's time, family and life." I remember the discussion...and like so many pearls of wisdom...he was right. I don't need a minister in front of me who is using some kinda fit to keep me on the straight and narrow path...I need a man with insight and common sense. When you play this "tongues" game....you treat the audience as if they were at some WWF match with Hulk Hogan and waiting for King Kong Bundy to show up.


11 posted on 02/04/2006 3:07:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Always Right

Southern Baptist are wrong in kicking people out of Church for something Biblical, while Pentacostals are wrong for making it much more than it is.




See you ARE "right sometimes". :>)


12 posted on 02/04/2006 3:07:09 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right

I hate to say this but to me the whole tounge issue in the SBC comes down to a issue of polite Southern middle Class conformity. You know we teachers , bankers, etc in the First BAptist Church of "..." just dont do that. I understand the major problems with Pentecostals esp the oneness kind. I know this is going to be controversal but Baptist shoould look to the Catholics to see how the Church dealt with the issue and incorparated the Charismatic movement into the local churches as a whole without disturbing everyones feelings


13 posted on 02/04/2006 3:11:35 AM PST by bayourant
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To: WKB

YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PERPENSITY TOWARD EARLY SATURDAY MORNING DISCUSSION POSTS THAT YOU BLAME ON THE DEVIL!

C:\My Documents\Pentecostalism Spirit-Filled Blessing___or Dangerous Heresy.htm

Acts 2:4
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Acts 2:5
And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.

Acts 2:6
And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language.

Acts 2:7
Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?

Acts 2:8
"And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?

Acts 2:9
"Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,

Acts 2:10
"Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,

Acts 2:11
"Cretans and Arabs--we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."
(NKJV)

The saints actually where speaking [heard] in known languages not just grunting out noises.

Paul spoke very clearly to the church of corinth concerning the propensity of some to pridefully display so- called gifts.

1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
(NKJV)

The 100 year old notion of building a DOCTRINE around one snippet of one bible chapter IS WRONG!


14 posted on 02/04/2006 3:13:04 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: pepsionice
I remember watcing Jimmy Swaggart in Argentina
or some where one time.
(Of course this was before his great fall from Grace)
He was preaching with an interpreter standing along side
of him.
When JS would get all wound up and jabber something
the interpreter guy would jabber something too.
I couldn't understand either one of them.
It was then I decided if JS truly had the gift
of speaking in tongues the interpreter could sit
down and watch the show with the rest of us.
15 posted on 02/04/2006 3:13:47 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: alpha-8-25-02

See #15


16 posted on 02/04/2006 3:16:09 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: bayourant
I hate to say this but to me the whole tounge issue in the SBC comes down to a issue of polite Southern middle Class conformity.

I agree, that is the root of the problem. Many people are uncomfortable with speaking in tongue thing, so they rationalize it out of existance.

17 posted on 02/04/2006 3:19:50 AM PST by Always Right
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To: alpha-8-25-02

I agree with you, I think the whole prejudice against tounges goes back to the days where unfort icontrol associated with a Heresy. Its highly suspected that the Monatist spoke in tounges. After St Augustine was successful in fighting t that heresy(tounges really wasnt the issue) I am convinced that tounges fell out of favor for centuires as a general practice of the laity. So it was found after the Apostolic age and didnt die out.


18 posted on 02/04/2006 3:21:40 AM PST by bayourant
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To: alpha-8-25-02
In the 14th Chapter of First Cor.
Sometimes the word tongue(singular) is used
and sometimes the word tongues (plural) is used
That had to be done for a reason and purpose.
Try reading that chapter with that thought in mind


(1 Cor 14:1) Follow the way of love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy.(1 Cor 14:2) For anyone who speaks in an (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE does not
speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries with his spirit.
(1 Cor 14:3) But everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort.
(1 Cor 14:4) He who speaks in an (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.
(1 Cor 14:5) I would like every one of you to speak in (Tongues) LANGUAGES, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies is greater than one who speaks in (Tongues) LANGUAGES, unless he interprets, so that the church may be edified.
(1 Cor 14:6) Now, brothers, if I come to you and speak in (Tongues) LANGUAGES, what good will I be to you, unless I bring you some revelation or knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
(1 Cor 14:7) Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the flute or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes?
(1 Cor 14:8) Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle?
(1 Cor 14:9) So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
(1 Cor 14:10) Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
(1 Cor 14:11) If then I do not grasp the meaning of what someone is saying, I am a foreigner to the speaker, and he is a foreigner to me.

(1 Cor 14:12) So it is with you. Since you are eager to have spiritual gifts, try to excel in gifts that build up the church.(1 Cor 14:13) For this reason anyone who speaks in an (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE should pray that he may interpret what he says.
(1 Cor 14:14) For if I pray in a (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
(1 Cor 14:15) So what shall I do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will also pray with my mind; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my mind.
(1 Cor 14:16) If you are praising God with your spirit, how can one who finds himself among those who do not understand say "Amen" to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?
(1 Cor 14:17) You may be giving thanks well enough, but the other man is not edified.
(1 Cor 14:18) I thank God that I speak in (Tongues) LANGUAGES more than all of you.
(1 Cor 14:19) But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in an (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE.
(1 Cor 14:20) Brothers, stop thinking like children. In regard to evil be infants, but in your thinking be adults.
(1 Cor 14:27) If anyone speaks in a (Unknown Tongue) UTTERANCE, two or at the most three should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
(1 Cor 14:28) If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and God.
(1 Cor 14:29) Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said.
(1 Cor 14:30) And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop.
(1 Cor 14:31) For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged.
(1 Cor 14:32) The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets.
(1 Cor 14:33) For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,
(1 Cor 14:39) Therefore, my brothers, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in (Tongues) LANGUAGES.(1 Cor 14:40) But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

The Most Important Thing According to Paul
(1 Cor 15:1) Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.(1 Cor 15:2) By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.(1 Cor 15:3) For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
(1 Cor 15:4) that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
19 posted on 02/04/2006 3:29:05 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB

Does God allow heresy to arise, to bring us back to the truth?

Does he allow people of his, to take a truth to the point that it is no longer true, in order to wake the rest of us up?

IE: We don't like the "name it and claim it", or "blab it and grab it" doctrines of the health, wealth and prosperity movement. They do misuse and abuse scripture in my opinion on this issue, BUT, doesn't the presence of the errors made regarding that issue make the rest of us sit up and think about "How do we really interpret the scriptures that do actually deal with God blessing people who give and give abundantly?"

Same thing with the Holy Spirit and such related issues of speaking in tongues, miracles, etc... I have been around people who are vehemently opposed to speaking in tongues today, and those who practice speaking in tongues.

Some who say "you're not born again unless you do speak in tongues", and others who say, "you're not born again, if you do, you're demon possessed."

WOW, what a conflicting dynamic! Apart from this issue, people in both camps were loving, caring, people, who were well aware of their own sinfulness, and need for Christ as their savior.

As you can see, I have found that there are idiots in both camps. They're still my brothers and sisters, but they're still WAY WAY out there, on their points of view.

Personally, after growing up Catholic, graduating from an Assembly of God Bible College, and spending time in various churches, including an SBC church in Missouri for awhile, and now serving in a Christian and Missionary Alliance church, I have to say that, I have found brothers and sisters in all the camps.

I have also found the same dead "riff raff" in all of the above churches, too.

I have more and more found that the simplicity of the gospel is so profound, that the "best" minds in the world, can't get right down and admit that their pet issues mean nothing. After thousands and thousands of dollars from years of Bible College, and time spent as a youth and associate Pastor. I have only found a few statements in scripture that clearly and definitively describe what being a true Christian is all about. Here are the two most prominent:

1. John 13:35
By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.

2. Romans 10:9
... if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.


20 posted on 02/04/2006 3:39:34 AM PST by JeSti (Ask yourself...)
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To: WKB
I once did a small talk on speaking in tongues during a mini life in the spirit seminar. The following article really helped in getting some background historical information to help explain exactly what speaking in tongues is and its historical significance. Hope some of you enjoy - I did.

http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/speaking-tongues1.htm
21 posted on 02/04/2006 3:39:54 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: WKB

BOTTOM LINE STAY ON MESSAGE!

The cross of Christ is the most revolutionary thing ever to appear among men. The cross of old Roman times knew no compromise; it never made concessions. It won all its arguments by killing its opponent and silencing him for good. It spared not Christ, but slew Him the same as the rest. He was alive when they hung Him on that cross and completely dead when they took Him down six hours later. That was the cross the first time it appeared in Christian history.

After Christ was risen from the dead the apostles went out to preach His message, and what they preached was the cross.
~ A.W. Tozer



GODSPEED!


22 posted on 02/04/2006 3:40:19 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: lnbchip

The requested document does not exist on this server. Okay


23 posted on 02/04/2006 3:41:40 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: bayourant
where unfort icontrol associated with a Heresy

And what tongue, exactly, are you speaking? :-)

24 posted on 02/04/2006 3:46:40 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: WKB; lnbchip

Try now.

http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/articles/pastoral/speaking-tongues1.htm


25 posted on 02/04/2006 3:47:38 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Always Right; WKB
Tongues is described in the Bible as a spiritual language used by early Christians, enabled by the Holy Spirit. The issue of whether it is still relevant, or appropriate, for modern times has divided many denominations.

This statement in the article is wrong because it does not fully express the teaching of the bible.

A correct teaching would say: "Tongues in the Bible CAN SOMETIMES BE a spiritual language that was used by SOME early Christians..."

26 posted on 02/04/2006 3:52:12 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Larry Lucido

Thanks for the help!


27 posted on 02/04/2006 3:53:06 AM PST by lnbchip
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To: xzins

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


28 posted on 02/04/2006 4:02:19 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB
Speaking in tounges always sounds like spiritual Tourette's Syndrome.

When people on the street start doing this we call it mental illness. I guess there's a lot of prophets with signs that say "Will Work For Food."

29 posted on 02/04/2006 4:08:35 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: WKB

I always wonder if he tried that on the hooker he got caught with and told her it was French.


30 posted on 02/04/2006 4:11:05 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: WKB

I always wonder if he tried that on the hooker he got caught with and told her it was French.


31 posted on 02/04/2006 4:11:15 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Always Right; xzins

What about this part?


Mark 16:18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”


32 posted on 02/04/2006 4:15:20 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right

There is nothing in the passages you cited that says that tongues must be a "spiritual language."


33 posted on 02/04/2006 4:19:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: WKB

Well, that is all in there too.


34 posted on 02/04/2006 4:21:59 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB

ping for later


35 posted on 02/04/2006 4:23:32 AM PST by Diva
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To: WKB

Nothing there about any "spiritual language."

Also...nothing there about INTENTIONALLY picking up snakes or INTENTIONALLY drinking poison.

Finally, nothing there about those having hands laid on them ALWAYS getting well.

These are signs that will follow believers. The nature of a "sign" is that it a marvelous event designed to bring glory to GOD....and GOD will make them happen according to HIS determination.


36 posted on 02/04/2006 4:24:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Always Right
Well, that is all in there too.



Done either lately.
Or did you choose the buffet?
37 posted on 02/04/2006 4:25:17 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: xzins

....and GOD will make them happen according to HIS determination.



AMEN


38 posted on 02/04/2006 4:25:59 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Larry Lucido; All

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts: Hearken not to the words of the prophets that prophesy to you, and deceive you: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord" (Jeremiah 23:16).

GOOD ARTICLE WITH STRONG HISTORICAL AND BIBLICAL REFERANCE!

THANKYOU!


39 posted on 02/04/2006 4:32:42 AM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: xzins
There is nothing in the passages you cited that says that tongues must be a "spiritual language."

I haven't claimed it is a spiritual language.

40 posted on 02/04/2006 4:51:54 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB
Done either lately. Or did you choose the buffet?

No, was I commanded to somewhere? I missed that part.

41 posted on 02/04/2006 4:59:49 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Pick and Choose
I rest my case


42 posted on 02/04/2006 5:02:47 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right
Tongues is described in the Bible as a spiritual language used by early Christians, enabled by the Holy Spirit. The issue of whether it is still relevant, or appropriate, for modern times has divided many denominations.

See post #26 to which you responded with post #28.

The quote above from the article claims tongues to be a "spiritual language."

43 posted on 02/04/2006 5:02:47 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

The quote from 26 was from the article, not mine.


44 posted on 02/04/2006 5:07:12 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB
Pick and Choose I rest my case

Since you case makes no sense, you should rest it. I did not pick and choose anything. You are the one making up Biblical law.

45 posted on 02/04/2006 5:08:50 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Always Right? Sometimes Right?
Maybe you should go with "At least every once in a while right"


46 posted on 02/04/2006 5:11:28 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: Always Right
You are the one making up Biblical law.



That's a bit a of a stretch don't you think?
It wasn't me who said to "pick up snakes
and drink poison". I believe that was a
fellow named Jesus.
It was you who stopped the passage in the
middle. Exactly where you wanted it to stop.
47 posted on 02/04/2006 5:16:22 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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To: WKB

You make statements with no support. You can't even identify where or how I am wrong, you just proclaim it. You offer no debate, just claim you won it. Interesting tactic.


48 posted on 02/04/2006 5:16:53 AM PST by Always Right
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To: WKB

The modern Charismatic mode of "speaking in tongues" is troubling since it doesn't fit the biblical pattern set out by St. Paul. If a Baptist assembly were to somehow manage to accurately reproduce the biblical scenario (one speaks, another interprets, and this in the presence of non-Christians that understand the same language as the tongue), I think that sooner or later the SBC would make room for it.


49 posted on 02/04/2006 5:18:01 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Always Right

You make statements with no support.



If you call quoting Jesus
"making statements with no support."

I think you are the one who needs to "give it a rest"


50 posted on 02/04/2006 5:18:56 AM PST by WKB (Jesus Saving the Baptist\ The Baptist saving the South, The South saving the Nation)
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