A MUST READ: The Lunacy of Relations between the Suicidal West and Fanatical IslamoFascists

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[quesney]

Re-posting as this is a MUST READ. Basic point: The West has lost its mind and gone borderline suicidal in the pursuit of short-term comfort and expediency.

[Former Proud Canadian]

I hope they are reading VDH at the white house.

[vimto]

"The West has lost its mind and gone borderline suicidal in the pursuit of short-term comfort and expediency."

This seems a recurring theme right now - Styne for instance raised it in his own inimitable way recently.

It seems to me that until the idea that we are really in a war and ought to suffer some deprivations in order to pursue it, we can nod at the truth without feeling obliged to act on it.

[jecIIny]

ping for later reading

[son of caesar]

i gotta tell you, no author could create such a story out of whole cloth. the west seems to be walking thru bad neighborhoods with a sign on its back that says, please kill me, i dare you. islam is more than willing to oblige.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

I believe the best analogy to apply to the West and its "asleep at the switch" mentality and posture is similar to the "Sitzkrieg" during the winter of 1939-40 when the British and French had both declared war on Germany but were doing nothing. This gave the Germans time to regroup, prepare and strategize thier Western blitzkrieg through the low countries and France in 1940.

Is there any other parallel to compare us to now?

We know war has been declared, we say we're in a war but what, really, is being done? The march in London yesterday absolutely shocked me. How can authorities allow such a thing to take place with no action or reaction?

The West isn't borderline suicidal it is the equivilent of sheep lined up in pens for slaughter looking at the open gate that would take them to freedom but too afraid to run.

[livius]

Excellent article.

The only mystery is not how bizarre the news will be from the Middle East, but why the autocratic Middle Easterners feel so confident that any would pay their lunacy such attention.

He's absolutely correct that they feel they can get away with it because of US reliance on oil and our track record, except for Iraq, of never responding to their threats or provocations and their long standing proclamation that they are about to go nuclear.

However, I think even the nutcases there know that at some point, we are going to have to bite the bullet and respond, oil be damned. The point is that they don't care, because they are members of an insane death cult and it's all the same to them whether they get wiped out, as long as they manage to take all life on this planet down with them.

I like VDH, but one of his problems is that he never identifies the fundamental problem: Islam. This has created the most irrational and dangerous enemy we have ever had, and the most difficult to deal with precisely because of its irrationality.

[sgtbono2002]

Muslims had given up the idea of ruling the world after their last great loss, Now with money coming in from oil and after breeding like rabbits , after interposing themselves all over the world they feel strong enough to give world dominance a new try. With the cowardice shown by most Europeans they feel even stronger.

We are in a religious war now with these cult members only they know it and most other countries dont. We had better win or surely it wont be the meek who inherit this earth.

[KC_Conspirator]

It is tragic and perhaps insensitive, but nevertheless honest, to confess that the contemporary Arab world has lately given the world only two new developments: the suicide-bomb belt and the improvised explosive device.

Very true.

[Thebaddog]

The heart of it all is Saudi Arabia and their funding of the crazy schools. Aren't they even sending money for schools in America?

[vimto]

Yes, many people were alarmed at what was going on in front of their faces in London yesterday - one Chap has been widely reported as asking the police why they were not arresting this mob got the reply ^don't worry sir we are photographing them.",

If the placards had been held my others saying Kill all Muslims ... well it's obvious isn't it? The point is hardly worth making.....

The powers are in denial.

Remember Churchill was ridiculed for years as he saw WW2 looming. He was vindicated but where is an equivalent statesman now?

[vimto]

If I wrote a book about the world being plunged into chaos by a cartoon set I would be Mr Bonkers.... And yet truth is stranger than fiction, eh wot?

[son of caesar]

what im not exactly clear about is that in europe, if you mock a gay, you go to jail for a hate crime. in austria, a man is sitting in jail in austria at this time due to his contention the holocaust never happened. yet, you can threaten terrorism in public and be protected by the police? huh?

[vimto]

Go figure....

- whatever else we are in Europe, we are gloriously incoherent in our approaches to these Freedom issues. Which is one reason why FReepers have to be careful not to take an unwitting selection of news that gives only one side of a complex and (I think possible changing) situation.

kind regards,

[lunarbicep]

bttt

[G.Mason]

"If the Middle East gets a pass on its terrorist behavior from the rest of the world, ultimately that exemption can be traced back to the voracious American appetite for imported oil, and its effects on everything from global petroleum prices to the appeasement of Islamic fascism."

So now Mr. Hanson has joined the Left?

It is we, the dreaded "voracious" Americans who are the main problem to the world?

So ... the "go back to living in caves and eating bug & berries" crowd was right?

Well, let's see if that plays in Peoria.

[libstripper]

I suspect you're right. The Japanese were every bit as mindlessly fanatical toward the end of WWII as the Mudslimes are today. Two nukes provided superb psychotherapy and shocked them out of their madness. Iran would be an excellent first candidate for the same therapy.

[narby]

Churchill was ridiculed for years as he saw WW2 looming. He was vindicated but where is an equivalent statesman now?

His name is Newt Gingrich.

Gingrich gave testimony in congress a couple of months ago that focused on this issue. He labeled it "The Long War", because he believes that we will require 50-80 years of combined military action, intelligence gathering, and diplomacy combined to transition the culture of the ME into something we can live with.

Gingrich is one of the few that has the historical knowledge and intelligence to see this, and communicate it.

But unfortunately, Gingrich no longer even gets the support of "conservatives" around here. I guess the fact that his private life isn't quite perfection is enough to dismiss the man as a total failure. It's like dismissing Churchill because he liked wiskey.

Just as Churchill was ignored before the war, and put out to pasture as soon as it was over, Gingrich is someone that apparently his own "conservative" base won't accept, even though he's the guy they really need.

[Stirner]

"I like VDH, but one of his problems is that he never identifies the fundamental problem: Islam."

I think he does. His approach is to strip Islamic areas of their influence on the rest of us through their oil, and to prevent them from getting nukes by any means necessary. After we accomplish that, there will still be Muslim areas, but they will be a culture apart, powerless to hurt us, and free to stew in their juices until they undergo some sort of Reformation and agree to tolerate non-Muslims.

The immediate answers to dependency on Mideast Oil, at least for the U.S. is coal and nuclear power. I use about 600 gallons of gas a year, but over 1200 gallons of heating oil. We will need liquid fuels for transportation for the foreseeable future and could derive a lot of domestic supply from coal gassification and (maybe) shale oil. If we could get the price of electricity down (or the price of oil up) enough, I would convert to electric heat, saving 2/3 of my personal petroleum use (ignoring my proportional share of trucking, airplane, and rail fuel use). I hear the idea of cutting back on foreign oil dismissed as sure to produce an instant depression, but I'm not so sure. Still in a depression, we spent like never before at the start of WW II because we thought our lives were at stake, and instead of a worse depression, we got the greatest boom in history. If our lives are really at stake again and we spend what's necessary to move toward energy independence, maybe it'll be good for the economy again like it was that time, but even if not, if we accept that we are in mortal danger we should try for it.