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Plane Forced Down Near Bush Ranch
Fox News ^ | 04 Feb 06 | AP

Posted on 02/04/2006 2:19:50 PM PST by stm

WACO, Texas — Two fighter jets forced a small plane to land after the pilot flew too close to President Bush's ranch in central Texas while he was spending the weekend there

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: deathwish; prairiechapel; usss
WACO could have meant "What A Cook-Out" had this guy gotten fragged by those jets.
1 posted on 02/04/2006 2:19:51 PM PST by stm
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To: stm
Plane Forced Down Near Bush Ranch

Nice misleading headline.

2 posted on 02/04/2006 2:37:01 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: stm

He was interviewed and sent on his way. He probably didn't know the president was back home. I didn't.


3 posted on 02/04/2006 2:46:13 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: stm

Cindy Sheehan dragging a "Get Out Now" banner??


4 posted on 02/04/2006 2:59:33 PM PST by CedarDave ("There is a difference between responsible criticism that aims for success, and defeatism...W - SOTU)
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To: stm

I live in the area, and the fighters scared the *#$& out of me last night. Not your usual sound from the night sky around here.


5 posted on 02/04/2006 3:05:49 PM PST by McLynnan
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To: stm

Incompetant idiot. The restricted areas are NOTAM'd well in advance and pilots are required to check them before flight. Fine him a couple of thou and I'll bet he checks 'em next time.


6 posted on 02/04/2006 3:07:21 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: CindyDawg
"He was interviewed and sent on his way. He probably didn't know the president was back home. I didn't."

By federal law, all pilots have to check the Notices to Airmen (NOTAMS) prior to each flight. Those NOTAMS inform you to, among other things, stay away from a Presidential area as the President moves around.

Some pilots are too lazy to follow the law; other pilots are too cheap to buy a GPS that shows them if they are on or off course.

Thus, the types of pilots being forced to land are generally not the sort of pilots that need our sympathy.

7 posted on 02/04/2006 3:10:08 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Oh well. Sometimes we lazy and cheap people need sympathy too:')


8 posted on 02/04/2006 3:16:10 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: Don Corleone
Incompetant idiot. The restricted areas are NOTAM'd well in advance and pilots are required to check them before flight. Fine him a couple of thou and I'll bet he checks 'em next time.

It would be nice if the FAA would create a set of utilities like NOTAM Tracker that would work with multiple devices, including pocketpcs and GPS units. They could pay for the cost of development from the fines they issue to pilots and reduce the number of incursions like this one.

Then again, I'd like to see the US Forestry Service and the BLM also develop the same types of utilities for off-roaders and hikers. As it is, finding some of these releases is hit or miss at best.
10 posted on 02/04/2006 3:21:40 PM PST by kingu (Liberalism: The art of sticking your fingers in your ears and going NANANANA..)
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To: stm

Are they sure it was a plane and not a MOONBAT?


11 posted on 02/04/2006 3:23:34 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: stm
Two fighter jets forced a small plane to land after the pilot flew too close to President Bush's ranch in central Texas while he was spending the weekend there

Wonder if they had to clean out the aircraft after they landed at Waco? Having an F-15 show up on your wing, and another at your six, makes a very effective sphincter relaxer both the anal and bladder ones.

12 posted on 02/04/2006 3:24:07 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: McLynnan
I live in the area, and the fighters scared the *#$& out of me last night. Not your usual sound from the night sky around here.

Hmm wonder what time it was. I heard some afterburner type jet noise about 7 PM, maybe a little earlier? Wasn't really paying attention to the time. I was FReeping. But I was really close to the airfield. :)

13 posted on 02/04/2006 3:28:08 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: El Gato

"The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution"

I agree with you 100% on that statement. Also those guys with their hands on the throttles did and excellent job. God Bless you.


14 posted on 02/04/2006 3:44:56 PM PST by JOE43270 (JOE43270, God Bless America and All Who Have and Will Defend Her.)
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To: stm

Didn't something similar happen after 911 out in that area, maybe close to the ranch. Seems a local took his plane out of the barn for a fly around. He was led back to the ground by a fighter jet or two. Maybe someone else remembers the incident.


15 posted on 02/04/2006 3:51:09 PM PST by deport
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To: Southack


Exactly.


16 posted on 02/04/2006 3:52:18 PM PST by onyx
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To: Southack

"Thus, the types of pilots being forced to land are generally not the sort of pilots that need our sympathy."

Roger that. Those NOTAMS actually mean something.


17 posted on 02/04/2006 3:54:20 PM PST by Noumenon (Liberal activist judges - out of touch, out of tune, but not out of reach.)
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To: kingu
I get weekly updates for my GPS & Charts, unfortunately the TFR's are not on the charts. Then there are the moving ones that follow the politicians around and for special events like the Super Bowel(The Air force says the are going to shoot down anyone busting that one).

Frankly the TFR's and most of the ADIZI (air defense zones) are a total waste. Most GA aircraft would be in the TFR and at the key point before anyone could act, and then they could do very little damage. Now if you are worried about gas or biological stuff. Give me a Little wind and a small tanker truck.

The best answer is what GWB is doing with intel, electronic surveillance and HUMIT. They are welcome to listen in on my communications.
18 posted on 02/04/2006 3:56:27 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: deport
Didn't something similar happen after 911 out in that area, maybe close to the ranch. Seems a local took his plane out of the barn for a fly around. He was led back to the ground by a fighter jet or two

At least once since 911. In one case the F-16s escorted the offender out of the no fly zone, and he was met at his destination by police, somewhere down around San Antonio, Seguin or maybe New Bruanfalls, I forget but I know it was at least 18 months ago, because I was still in SA at that time. And now I'm in Killeen, near Ft. Hood, where the fighters deploy to when Bush at the Ranch. (West Ft. Hood was once a SAC base. The runway is now used jointly by the military and scheduled airlines.). I live a couple of miles from the north end of the runway.

19 posted on 02/04/2006 4:03:26 PM PST by El Gato (The Second Amendment is the Reset Button of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: ellenium
I agree about the quality of life in the Waco area.

Many years ago, I used Connelly as a refueling stop for my students on our cross country flights out of NAS Pensacola.

Always a delight to visit with my Waco chums; truly gracious Texans.
20 posted on 02/04/2006 4:12:02 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: deport

Yup, and he got a pink slip (flight violation) for it. I am guessing that's what's going to happen here as well. Most "weekend pilots" that fly VFR don't really know exactly where they are at any given moment in the flight, making it easy to stray into restricted airspace. I never flew a VFR-only equipped aircraft without a TPC (or VFR sectional) chart on my kneeboard. Ever. Where I live there are so many restricted airspaces and MOA's (Military Operating Areas) it's easy to get violated if you're not careful. When I was flying military aircraft, we were instrumented out the a$$ so it was never a problem


21 posted on 02/04/2006 4:14:57 PM PST by stm
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To: Don Corleone

How many weekend pilots do you know even look at NOTAM's before going flying? Some I know don't even really know how to read them. Nothing against civilian-trained casual pilots, but many times their level of training and spatial awareness is pretty marginal


22 posted on 02/04/2006 4:18:05 PM PST by stm
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To: ellenium

Oh I know, I've been there, it's a pretty town. But the "We Ain't Comin' Out" and "What A Cook-Out" jokes will always be there regardless.


23 posted on 02/04/2006 4:20:29 PM PST by stm
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To: El Gato

That time sounds about right. I ran outside and looked up and saw one of them. I didn't see the offending plane, but the fighter was low over our neighborhood. Everytime I see one of them I'm in awe of their speed and power. Bet that private pilot wet his pants!


24 posted on 02/04/2006 4:33:02 PM PST by McLynnan
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To: stm

I am taking Flight Lessons in the area. The NOTAMS are very specific when GW is Home. The air traffic controllers are very specific and will direct your flight correction away from P-49......He was just stupid,stupid stupid.

The possibility of fighters overtaking my little Piper scares me to double check the NOTAMS. Keeps that pucker factor down to a minimum.


25 posted on 02/04/2006 4:48:39 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: McLynnan

My favorite is when the FA-18's buzz the football games at Qualcom stadium - just a few miles from where I live. What really makes me mad is they make a horrible noise - but by the time you dash outdoors to see them fly over - they are nowhere in sight! LOL!!


26 posted on 02/04/2006 4:52:35 PM PST by The Final Harvest
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To: CindyDawg

I second yor motion. Only stuff I own first class has Snapon written om it.


27 posted on 02/04/2006 4:55:10 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (the friend of my enemy is my enemy)
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To: El Gato
...And now I'm in Killeen...

So, do the press still make a bee line for D Street when they hit town?

28 posted on 02/04/2006 4:58:19 PM PST by FreedomFarmer (Push Me, Shove You - Oh, Yeah? Says Who? Push Me, Shove You -Oh, Yeah? Says Who?)
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To: Calpernia; Velveeta; Alabama MOM; DAVEY CROCKETT; WestCoastGal; Founding Father; Honestly

Ping.


29 posted on 02/04/2006 4:59:29 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (If you don't stand behind our Troops, please, feel free to stand in front of them!!!)
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To: wildcatf4f3

And "snap on" isn't cheap:')


30 posted on 02/04/2006 5:07:20 PM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: FreedomFarmer
So, do the press still make a bee line for D Street when they hit town?

I wouldn't know. Is that where the Strip Clubs used to be? They are now mostly at Ft. Hood and Elms, but there may be a few others I haven't come across just yet. One at that intersection just opened before Christmas, and there are at least 4 others at or near that intersection. (That is south of highway 190, Ft. Hood is AKA highway 195).

31 posted on 02/04/2006 5:12:05 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Southack
By federal law, all pilots have to check the Notices to Airmen (NOTAMS) prior to each flight

Really?
I bust that law almost every time I fly, several times a week..
I busted it this evening, as a matter of fact, watching the sunset.
And so did the guys I was flying with... Damn! I better watch for the black helicopters!

Poohey. Write what you know.

32 posted on 02/04/2006 5:32:12 PM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: CyberAnt

Yes, that's the problem! I'd like to take a good look at them, but they're too fast. I heard this one coming last night and got outside fast enough to see it for a split second. We don't have air traffic around here so I looked like the lady that fell off the turnip truck trying to catch a glimpse of it.


33 posted on 02/04/2006 7:19:27 PM PST by McLynnan
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To: El Gato

I live on the north side of Killeen, near the impact area. The fighters fly over going to patrol over the ranch. If memory serves me the plane in question was out of New Braunfels.

The Air traffic Controllers out of Gray Airfield are VERY good at directing aircraft away from the no-fly zone. I am taking flight lesson out of Gatesville and the controllers always make sure I know which way to NOT to go.....and I am REALLY grateful..


34 posted on 02/04/2006 9:33:11 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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