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Posted on 02/05/2006 8:43:23 AM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
ANKARA (Reuters) - An Italian Roman Catholic priest was shot dead in his church in the Turkish Black Sea city of Trabzon on Sunday, police said.
They gave no more details, but CNN Turk television said police were looking for a young man aged about 17 years old seen fleeing the scene.
CNN Turk showed a small crowd of onlookers near the Santa Maria church where the priest was killed. The state Anatolian news agency identified the dead man as Andrea Santaro, aged 60. Other Turkish media said he had been in Turkey about five years.
Anatolian quoted Trabzon governor Huseyin Yavuzdemir as saying: "We condemn this attack against a man of religion ... There are witnesses. The police are trying to catch the suspect based on information the witnesses gave."
The gunman's motive was unclear. Turkey is overwhelmingly Muslim and has only a tiny Christian population.
Turkey, like many other Muslim countries, has seen regular protests in recent days against cartoons published in several European newspapers depicting the Prophet Mohammad.
Turkish leaders have expressed strong distaste at the cartoons, but have also called for calm and better understanding between different cultures and religious faiths.
Turkey's non-Muslim clergy, including Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, spiritual head of the world's Orthodox Christians, have also condemned the cartoons, which were first published in a Danish newspaper.
Violent attacks on Christian clergy are virtually unheard of in Turkey, which takes pride in its history as a meeting place of different cultures and religions.
An Italian Roman Catholic priest was shot dead in his church in the Turkish Black Sea city of Trabzon on Sunday, police said.
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'Sensitivity' can have brutal consequences
February 5, 2006
BY MARK STEYN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST
I long ago lost count of the number of times I've switched on the TV and seen crazy guys jumping up and down in the street, torching the Stars and Stripes and yelling ''Death to the Great Satan!'' Or torching the Union Jack and yelling ''Death to the Original If Now Somewhat Arthritic And Semi-Retired Satan!'' But I never thought I'd switch on the TV and see the excitable young lads jumping up and down in Jakarta, Lahore, Aden, Hebron, etc., etc., torching the flag of Denmark.
Denmark! Even if you were overcome with a sudden urge to burn the Danish flag, where do you get one in a hurry in Gaza? Well, OK, that's easy: the nearest European Union Humanitarian Aid and Intifada-Funding Branch Office. But where do you get one in an obscure town on the Punjabi plain on a Thursday afternoon? If I had a sudden yen to burn the Yemeni or Sudanese flag on my village green, I haven't a clue how I'd get hold of one in this part of New Hampshire. Say what you like about the Islamic world, but they show tremendous initiative and energy and inventiveness, at least when it comes to threatening death to the infidels every 48 hours for one perceived offense or another. If only it could be channeled into, say, a small software company, what an economy they'd have.
Meanwhile, back in Copenhagen, the Danes are a little bewildered to find that this time it's plucky little Denmark who's caught the eye of the nutters. Last year, a newspaper called Jyllands-Posten published several cartoons of the Prophet Muhammed, whose physical representation in art is forbidden by Islam. The cartoons aren't particularly good and they were intended to be provocative. But they had a serious point. Before coming to that, we should note that in the Western world "artists" "provoke" with the same numbing regularity as young Muslim men light up other countries' flags. When Tony-winning author Terence McNally writes a Broadway play in which Jesus has gay sex with Judas, the New York Times and Co. rush to garland him with praise for how "brave" and "challenging" he is. The rule for "brave" "transgressive" "artists" is a simple one: If you're going to be provocative, it's best to do it with people who can't be provoked.
Thus, NBC is celebrating Easter this year with a special edition of the gay sitcom "Will & Grace," in which a Christian conservative cooking-show host, played by the popular singing slattern Britney Spears, offers seasonal recipes -- "Cruci-fixin's." On the other hand, the same network, in its coverage of the global riots over the Danish cartoons, has declined to show any of the offending artwork out of "respect" for the Muslim faith.
Which means out of respect for their ability to locate the executive vice president's home in the suburbs and firebomb his garage.
Jyllands-Posten wasn't being offensive for the sake of it. They had a serious point -- or, at any rate, a more serious one than Britney Spears or Terence McNally. The cartoons accompanied a piece about the dangers of "self-censorship" -- i.e., a climate in which there's no explicit law forbidding you from addressing the more, er, lively aspects of Islam but nonetheless everyone feels it's better not to.
That's the question the Danish newspaper was testing: the weakness of free societies in the face of intimidation by militant Islam.
One day, years from now, as archaeologists sift through the ruins of an ancient civilization for clues to its downfall, they'll marvel at how easy it all was. You don't need to fly jets into skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. As a matter of fact, that's a bad strategy, because even the wimpiest state will feel obliged to respond. But if you frame the issue in terms of multicultural "sensitivity," the wimp state will bend over backward to give you everything you want -- including, eventually, the keys to those skyscrapers. Thus, Jack Straw, the British foreign secretary, hailed the "sensitivity" of Fleet Street in not reprinting the offending cartoons.
No doubt he's similarly impressed by the "sensitivity" of Anne Owers, Her Majesty's Chief Inspector of Prisons, for prohibiting the flying of the English national flag in English prisons on the grounds that it shows the cross of St. George, which was used by the Crusaders and thus is offensive to Muslims. And no doubt he's impressed by the "sensitivity" of Burger King, which withdrew its ice cream cones from its British menus because Rashad Akhtar of High Wycombe complained that the creamy swirl shown on the lid looked like the word "Allah" in Arabic script. I don't know which sura in the Koran says don't forget, folks, it's not just physical representations of God or the Prophet but also chocolate ice cream squiggly representations of the name, but ixnay on both just to be "sensitive."
And doubtless the British foreign secretary also appreciates the "sensitivity" of the owner of France-Soir, who fired his editor for republishing the Danish cartoons. And the "sensitivity" of the Dutch film director Albert Ter Heerdt, who canceled the sequel to his hit multicultural comedy ''Shouf Shouf Habibi!'' on the grounds that "I don't want a knife in my chest" -- which is what happened to the last Dutch film director to make a movie about Islam: Theo van Gogh, on whose ''right to dissent'' all those Hollywood blowhards are strangely silent. Perhaps they're just being "sensitive,'' too.
And perhaps the British foreign secretary also admires the "sensitivity" of those Dutch public figures who once spoke out against the intimidatory aspects of Islam and have now opted for diplomatic silence and life under 24-hour armed guard. And maybe he even admires the "sensitivity" of the increasing numbers of Dutch people who dislike the pervasive fear and tension in certain parts of the Netherlands and so have emigrated to Canada and New Zealand.
Very few societies are genuinely multicultural. Most are bicultural: On the one hand, there are folks who are black, white, gay, straight, pre-op transsexual, Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, worshippers of global-warming doom-mongers, and they rub along as best they can. And on the other hand are folks who do not accept the give-and-take, the rough-and-tumble of a "diverse" "tolerant" society, and, when one gently raises the matter of their intolerance, they threaten to kill you, which makes the question somewhat moot.
One day the British foreign secretary will wake up and discover that, in practice, there's very little difference between living under Exquisitely Refined Multicultural Sensitivity and Sharia. As a famously sensitive Dane once put it, "To be or not to be, that is the question."
© Mark Steyn, 2006
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Two Jordan editors are arrested
Two Jordanian newspaper editors who published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad have been arrested.
Jihad Momani and Hisham Khalidi are accused of insulting religion under Jordan's press and publications law.
Mr Momani was fired from the weekly Shihan after reproducing the cartoons - originally printed in Denmark - which have caused a global storm of protest.
One of the cartoons depicts Muhammad as a terrorist. Any images of the Prophet are banned under Islamic tradition.
From Bulldog Pundit:
A Message To All Those Muslims Rioting Over Cartoons....
If you are one of those Muslims that is rioting and setting embassies ablaze because of some Danish cartoons depicting Allah is a terrorist I just want to let you know that you are all "bleeping" insane nutcases that the world would likely be better off without. Perhaps you all should use your energy to coming out of the stone age, teaching your women to read and drive, and aspiring to something other than getting 72 virgins in exchange for blowing infidels to bits.
Hey, if you're offended by the cartoons, get over it. Does it suck to be offended? Sure, the first reaction that sane people have to getting offended isn't to kill people and destroy things. And keep in mind you're getting worked up into homicidal rage - BY FRIGGIN CARTOONS!!!! For any of you who say there's no difference between their culture and our own, keep in mind this is all happening because of FRIGGIN CARTOONS!!!
So again I say to those rioters that instead of killing people and shouting "Allahu Akbar!!", it might be a better idea to bring your bass-ackwards culture into the 21st century so that instead of having time to burn the nearest embassy you all could make meaningful contributions to the world and let the rest of us get on with our lives without having to worry about the next batch of suicide bombers and terrorists coming out of your midst.
Meanwhile, in our wonderful country...
Appeals Court Upholds Nativity Ban in NYC Schools
But the star and cresent are permitted btw.
I love when religion imposes its peaceful dogma upon the world through bloodshed. It is the height of hypocrisy and absurdity.
"The gunman's motive was unclear. Turkey is overwhelmingly Muslim and has only a tiny Christian population."
The latter sentence explains the former. ROP my ass.
Something to keep in the back of our minds (it may not be so 'out there'):
An interesting side-effect of the Danish cartoon affair might be the invasion of Syria by U.S. forces. As you can read in this CNN article, the Norwegian and Danish embassies in Damascus were burned down by angry mobs on Sunday.
Now, depending on the level of (passive) involvement by the Syrian regime, one could make the case this is an act of war. And since Norway and Denmark are both NATO members, Bush can invoke article V of the NATO charter that says an attack on one member state is an attack against all of them...
Presto! Legal casus belli... and no need to find further justifications in hidden WMD's, terror sponsoring or the need for 'regime change'. Just point the tanks in Baghdad to Damascus and start driving...
From Glenn at Instapundit... spread the word.
HERE'S A GALLERY CONTAINING IMAGES OF MOHAMMED throughout Islamic history. Apparently, portraying the Prophet isn't quite as much a no-no as some have claimed.
That has been proved to be a concern which is lacking among those who profess faith within the Muslims.
If it were to be a true religion of peace, then it would be Muslims heading up the fight against terrorists and not Christians and others.
Sadly, this isn't reality.
Maybe the kid's a Catholic the priest sexually abused as a child; who knows? But all this 'Har-de-har ROP' business is a little premature.
....Ever since the muslims invaded and slaughtered the Christians who had been there since the time of Christ.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil rights group, says President Bush should avoid using "loaded and imprecise terminology" when he refers to Islam in his State of the Union address.
In a letter to President Bush, CAIR Board Chairman Parvez Ahmed suggested that the president be careful to "avoid the use of hot-button terms such as 'Islamo-fascism,' 'militant jihadism,' 'Islamic radicalism,' or 'totalitarian Islamic empire'" in his Tuesday night speech.
Wow, now no Turkish embassy will be safe, the Turkish flag will be burned, and Turkish goods will be boycotted! Not really, that's only justified by cartoons.
Coming to a town near you.
If one deoesn't believe it, just Google it (unless you live in Red China).
Round up the usual suspects; Jamal, Abdullah, Mohammed....Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad...
That's mainly a problem in the "liberal" US Church, not so much in the world wide Roman Church. So it's not likely. ROP hit is much more likely. Probably find the kid was high on hash or even the "fruit" of the poppy, in preparation for his "Mission", most likely assigned by someone he trusted at his local Mosque.
And so the cartoon death toll has begun.
Many, but not all, countries with majority Roman Catholic populations are also not known for their calm demeanors. Think about it, Irish, Italians, Spanish (and even more so some of their former colonies in the New World) and to a much lessor extent the French. Hot tempered bunch they are. And of course we have representatives of all those cultures here in the US.
BTW, flag burning is, according to the Supreme Court of the United States, protected by the first amendment.
Anybody got a match?
Although I'd prefer burning, Iranian, Al-Qaida (if they have a flag), Pan Arab and Islamic flags, certainly not the Turks, since most of them are quiet secular, especially their military, whom we definitely want on own side if at all possible.
You could whip up most flags pretty quickly. Just a piece of white sheet, and some paint or dye. I know that one of Danish flags I saw burning in a photo was made that way, the red background was clearly not solid. Takes a little organization to make up a bunch of them, but no more than making up a MOAB (Mother of All Banners) for a Support the Troops rally.
Most flags are pretty simple, but some have some fancy designs or are fairly complex, and thus more difficult to gin up in a hurry. The US flag is one of those that's a bit more complex, with all those stars, and more alternations of color than most flags.
Prayers from TX
I call this a "problem" ... others, no doubt, will have other examples of "problems".
I think I have made my point clear.
One more proof that it's not safe to be a nonMooslim in a Mooslim country (and not safe to have Mooslims in your nonMooslim country).
Stop further Mooslim immigration to the U.S. and start deportations of any suspect Mooslims.
P.S.: If Condaleeza Rice or any other administration flak starts with the Religion of Peace lecture again, bring out the pies and rotten vegetables.
Does the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem ring a bell?
After murdering and ethnically cleansing millions of Christians. This detail is something MSM prefers not to tell.
I guess, at this point, the issue is obvious (moreso than before) and that is, when do we start fighting back?
All I know is most people I see around me are looking frightened to even go outofdoors and we're in the U.S.A.
Are our muslim "neighbors" going to be loitering there waiting to render our demise?
This is the type of global, and quite intensely local (as in, local everyhere) fear and concern and ATTACK UPON PEACE that muslims are accomplishing.
I went to a local mall the other day and when I saw two burkha covered women in front of me walking, I really did a double take in horror and fell back, seeking more space between me and what I perceived as potential threat to me and mind.
I saw others doing similarly.
I'd never have done that earlier (after 09/11, yes, but not a few years after until recently).
I now see that in history past, our ancestors had reason to go seek them out and contest their violence. I think that it's also time for most civilized countries to begin exercising greater controls over their numbers because after reading what's taken place in France, Denmark, England, the U.S., Australia, Spain, Italy, the Phllipines...I think most of us can see where this is going and I now see it in my very own town.
Poor Reuters. A mind is a terrrible thing to lose.
I guess that's why every Christian church I saw in Istanbul, with the exception of the Greek Orthodox cathedral, was located behind high walls and was almost invisible from the street. I recall seeing one church, with a dome and a cross, in the interior of a block. I walked around the block twice looking for a way in to that church, but couldn't find any access. The church I attended was set inside a walled compound and was invisible from the street. Only a discreet sign at the entrance identified it.
The EU didnt do a thing, a newspaper in Denmark printed the cartoons. Denmark isnt Saudi Arabia. They get to do that.
Then the question is; why did they chose to publish it, while they already knew the consequences. Muslims are generally uneducated, extremely sensitive and under threat of radical islamism.
Because theyre a newspaper, a private company, and there are no laws against it in Denmark. Move to Denmark, get elected to office, change the law. Thats how it works. The level of ignorance in the Muslim world is irrelevant.
Anyway, the Muslims to my knowledge have not yet published anything about Jesus Christ or anything associated yet. You should ask yourself why?
If it religious tolerance were discussing here, dare I mention Jews? A tad of religious intolerance there perhaps? i am sorry but before the cartoon was published there were no problem
Right, no problem for you.
Please, get back to me on the Muslim respect for religion and Jews thing. I've noticed a thing of two in the Arab press you might have missed.
[Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, March 27, 2004]
Sharon eats Palestinian children. [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, March 22, 2004]
Jew is Satan. Pope says: Peace on Earth Satan-Jew: Colonies on Earth [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida March 22, 2000]
On old man: "the 20th century" On young man: "the 21st century" Above dwarf Jew with Star of David: The Disease of the Century [Al-Hayat Al-Jadida Dec. 28, 1999]
The U.S. using Israel to hold up the Arab World
Star of David and Kippa (skullcap) on the Rat. Text on the cheese: Arab Homeland Text on the knife: USA [Al - Hayat Al-Jadida Aug. 20, 2001]
Donkey with Talit [Jewish prayer shawl] marched through streets of Ramallah. [Note - PA religious leaders and PA school books [published in 2000] compare Jews to donkeys.
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), June 12, 2003
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), June 24, 2003
Al-Quds (PA), July 22, 2003
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), June 17, 2003
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), June 23, 2003
Al-Hayat Al-Jadida (PA), June 12, 2003. , the day after the No. 14 bus suicide bombing in Jerusalem, showing torn body parts of a man who blew up
The weekly Akhbar Al-Yawm published a cartoon on March 12, 2005, in which President Bush is portrayed as an angel, but with cloven hooves and a pointy tail:.
In light of Egyptian-U.S. tensions, Egyptian government newspapers published a number of anti-American cartoons in recent days. The daily Al-Akhbar published a cartoon on March 14, 2005, in which Bush looks in a mirror and sees the image of Adolph Hitler
"Oh my dears, oh lion cubs [boys] of Palestine, oh, flowers [girls] of Palestine, oh, future of Palestine, oh power and splendor of Palestine.
"From you [came] the world hero, Fares 'Ouda. He is the symbol of the Palestinian people, who stands in heroism, pride, and willpower with the Palestinian stone facing the Israeli tank.
"This is the people of heroes that does not fear the tank, and does not fear the airplane, and does not fear the missile, and they cling to their place until Judgment Day. The Prophet [Muhammad] said: 'A group from among you will remain standing on guard against your enemies. Their enemies will not triumph over them, and they will triumph, with Allah's help.'
"Thus it was said to the Messenger [Muhammad]: 'Where are they [the members of that group]? 'Who are they [the members of that group]?' [The Prophet Muhammad said]: '[They are] from Jerusalem its environs, from Jerusalem and its environs. And they stand [against their enemies] until Judgment Day, and every Shahid among them [is worth] 40 Shahids among you.'
"To whom did [the Prophet] say this? To his companions! He said to them: 'One Shahid from those [fighting for Jerusalem] is equal in value to 40 Shahids from [his companions]. This is the privilege Allah has given to you, oh boys and girls of Palestine "
Yasser Arafat's Speech Marking International Day of the Child 2003, to Children of Palestinian Prisoners and Detainees Held by Israel, The Muqata'a, Ramallah .
I don't see christ giving a blow job in any of the pictures. Now would you like to see something like that ?
They are politicians, and violent cartoons with racism within them..
And please the time haven't begun with 9/11.. The history behind hatred towards west goes back to World War 1, now i don't know what you think or know about it.
But please be logical and consider this, when Ottoman was torn apart and middle east colonized and divided. Was that done to set the Muslims in Middle East free? Pleasee....
Showing Jews as Rats?
Musta done a demographic study of party affiliation in the USA