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Donald Rumsfeld Warns Against Islamic 'Empire'
Newsmax ^ | February 5, 2006 | Carl Limbacher, et al.

Posted on 02/06/2006 8:50:08 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is warning that Western countries must increase their defense budgets in order to prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire" that could be as deadly as Hitler's Third Reich.

Speaking at a global security conference in Munich on Saturday, the U.S. defense chief said that Islamic radicals "seek to take over governments from North Africa to Southeast Asia and to re-establish a caliphate they hope, one day, will include every continent.

"They have designed and distributed a map where national borders are erased and replaced by a global extremist Islamic empire," he added.

Rumsfeld urged Western leaders not to delude themselves about the growing threat, saying: "We could choose to pretend, as some suggest, that the enemy is not at our doorstep . . . But those who would follow such a course must ask: what if they are wrong? What if at this moment, the enemy is counting on being underestimated, counting on being dismissed, and counting on our preoccupation."

The remarks echoed his comments the day before in an address to the National Press Club in Washington, DC, where Rumsfeld warned that radical Islamists "have designed and distributed a map where national borders are erased and replaced by a global extremist Islamic empire."

He cautioned that "that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world" but instead primarily "a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."

Still, the U.S. defense chief warned that the rise of Islamofacism could by just as deadly as Nazi Germany and the early decades of the Soviet Union:

"During the 1920s, few people took seriously what some characterized as the mad ravings of a failed painter's book, Mein Kampf," Rumsfeld said. "Similarly, most people earlier ignored the excited utterances of an exiled lawyer -- a so-called rabble rouser -- named Lenin, who had published the pamphlet, 'What is to be Done?'

"But imagine," he posited, "if we could go back today, knowing what we know now about Adolph Hitler and Lenin, to warn the world about those two individuals before they spawned their movements and before literally tens of millions of human beings on this earth were victims -- were killed?"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: extremists; hitler; ideology; islam; islamicempire; islamism; islamists; jihad; lenin; muslims; nazis; rumsfeld; sharia; soviets; worldcaliphate
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1 posted on 02/06/2006 8:50:10 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; alisasny; ALlRightAllTheTime; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; Angelwood; ...

PING!


2 posted on 02/06/2006 8:50:51 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Jack Murtha: America's best-known EX-marine)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world

Um, yes it is, Mr. Rumsfeld.

3 posted on 02/06/2006 8:51:35 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Quite right. Who is it between, Mr. Green Jeans and Bunny Rabbit?

It's us against them - all over again. Only this time we gotta win. Please see my tagline.


4 posted on 02/06/2006 8:53:57 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
but instead primarily "a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."

Okey dokey, so where's the overwhelming majority who's speaking out and condemming this violence?

5 posted on 02/06/2006 8:54:32 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

"...that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world..."

islam v The World, more likely, Mr SECDEF. I just wish *someone* would tell the truth...


6 posted on 02/06/2006 8:54:41 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
"that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world"
"Um, yes it is, Mr. Rumsfeld."

That is very very arguable, but even if it is, you can't publically say as much. Even if 'mainstream' muslims secretly support terrorism and califait, they don't say so publically. So, to claim that they do makes you look like a religious bigot.
7 posted on 02/06/2006 8:55:49 AM PST by z3n
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Agreed.


8 posted on 02/06/2006 8:55:57 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Ashamed Canadian

no, it's not. It's a war between radicalism and modernity for the souls of a billion + mulsims. If all of Iraq hated us, we'd have to nuke the country to pacify it. That is not the case. But a large enough percentage of mulsims are islamo facists that we need to exterminate them before they infect the general populations more than they have.


9 posted on 02/06/2006 8:56:27 AM PST by pissant
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Indeed. Now is not the time to heckon back the ghost of Neville Chamberlin. Rummy says the times are just as dangerous. I say they are exponentially more dangerous for two glaring reasons. First, the weapons available today. Second, THE SCUM SUCKING ANTIPATRIOTIC DEMOCRATS who will sell us down the river to make short term political gains.
10 posted on 02/06/2006 8:56:36 AM PST by 101st-Eagle (Imagination is more important than knowledge-Albert Einstein..)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Donald Rumsfeld for PRESIDENT

Run, Rummy, Run!


11 posted on 02/06/2006 8:57:15 AM PST by van_erwin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
If Red China were to join the mix...and with the military and economic ties tey are making with places like Iran, that is certainly within the realm of possibility...the threat would be GREATER than the Third Reich IMHO.

I have written an entire series of novels about that real possibility.

THE DRAGON'S FURY SERIES

12 posted on 02/06/2006 8:58:12 AM PST by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
WWII was not against all the Germans. I mean, a few Germans were involved in the July Plot in 1944 to assassinate Hitler. So, the Germans were not 100% bad.

But, of course, in War, one does not have the luxury of making such fine distinctions. Our goal in WWII was to destroy the German capacity for war. As part of that, we killed a lot of Germans. We fire-bombed whole cities. War is hell.

And now we're fighting "radical" Islam. We need to get serious about how to win that. To quote Hillary: "You know what I'm talking about".

13 posted on 02/06/2006 9:00:12 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"global extremist Islamic empire" will be made up of muslim's so will = the muslim world

It is already war between the West and moslems...why can't our leaders acknowledge it?


14 posted on 02/06/2006 9:01:01 AM PST by kalee
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."



Dear Secretary Rumsfeld,

Radical Islam is an insane murder cult.
Moderate Islam is its Trojan Horse in the West.
15 posted on 02/06/2006 9:01:36 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

You are correct. If the radicals achieve even a small measure of real success, the "moderate Muslims" will become very big cheerleaders regarding their success against the "Infidels". The momentum will be difficult to slow from there. If the "genie" of momentum and an emboldened Muslim world becomes a reality, they will make Hitler and Stalin look like choirboys . . . IMHO. The boys in Iran are doing what they can to create that momentum . . . we cannot afford to let that happen.


16 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:14 AM PST by RatRipper
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To: van_erwin
Donald Rumsfeld for PRESIDENT

Rumsfeld/Cheney 2008? :-) Of course that's never going to happen but it's nice to dream. Can you imagine all these heads exploding? Well, let's just hope that we don't end up with Howard Dean and Hitlery instead...

17 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:39 AM PST by Tarkin (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito...one more to go)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Over tyhe weekend, I watched an old movie called "Battleground" made in 1949 about the battle of the bulge. About 30 minutes before the end of the movie in a small open field day before christmas prayer - the priest discussed why they were there in Europe, freezing in the snow and was it worth it.

Some enterprising soul should get that movie and trascribe his speech. With only changing 2-3 words, the same could be said today.


18 posted on 02/06/2006 9:04:54 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: kalee

Because they believe that the muslimes in our country are just okey-dokey! They seem to think that CAIR and even the very word of the Koran are just misunderstood.


19 posted on 02/06/2006 9:11:35 AM PST by jusduat (I am a strange and recurring anomaly)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks


20 posted on 02/06/2006 9:12:59 AM PST by Tarkin (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito...one more to go)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Let's hear from another bulldog, Christopher Hitchens:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1572723/posts?page=1


21 posted on 02/06/2006 9:18:02 AM PST by VOA
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
prevent the rise of a "global extremist Islamic empire" that could be as deadly as Hitler's Third Reich.

Serious major bull-puckey here.

The Third Reich had a significant chance of conquering the rest of the world. If one or two factors had gone the other way, they might have actually done so.

The entire Islamic world, even if it were united in a new Caliphate, would have no chance of accomplishing this.

They could destroy a few western cities with nukes. They could try nuclear blackmail. It might even work for a while. But there is absolutely no possibility of their conquering the West.

Let us at least recognize the fact that there is a difference between people who don't want to face the fact that others are forcing them into a fight, and whether the same people will fight when actually backed into a corner. Luckily, the Islamists are so stupid that they will keep pushing until Europeans realize they are in a corner.

IMHO, nobody has ever provided a logical scenario in which Islam conquers the West militarily.

Gradual demographic replacement in Europe over the next 50 years is, unfortunately, a different story, but is not what Rummy was talking about.

22 posted on 02/06/2006 9:20:29 AM PST by Restorer
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To: Tarkin

Geez, Rummy's a HANDSOME old fart, isn't he! When he and Cheney were younger, well, my gosh!


23 posted on 02/06/2006 9:25:07 AM PST by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
He cautioned that "that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world" but instead primarily "a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."

FALSE! These "extremists" are ENABLED by the SILENCE of the "overwhelming majority" of Muslims!

24 posted on 02/06/2006 9:26:16 AM PST by detsaoT (Proudly not "dumb as a journalist.")
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To: Finny
Geez, Rummy's a HANDSOME old fart, isn't he! When he and Cheney were younger, well, my gosh!

LOL

I actually almost didn't recognize Cheney in the second picture.

25 posted on 02/06/2006 9:29:16 AM PST by Tarkin (Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, Alito...one more to go)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I think Rummy's got it right. Islam is more political than other religions, and has a history of imperialism, but it's not Islam per se that is the threat. The Islamist fanatics are are little different from the commies and the nazis.

It's the same old, tired idea. We can make the world perfect. This, coincidentally, requires me and my friends and family to have unlimited power and money.

26 posted on 02/06/2006 9:33:47 AM PST by SupplySider
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To: RexBeach
Quite right. Who is it between, Mr. Green Jeans and Bunny Rabbit?

Despite what many think, Rumsfeld and Bush are handling this exactly how it should be handled. You don't give the enemy any unnessesary ammo he can use to bring even more radicals to his cause and in the process make your job even more difficult. I don't believe for one minute that either Rumsfeld or Bush really believe their public utterances about islam being a 'peaceful' religion - IMO they are using their rhetoric to deny the enemy the verbal ammo he so desperately wants to rally his troops with.

Let Bush & Cheney say all the sweet things they want to about islam in public, as long as in private they're doing everything in their power to defeat it.
27 posted on 02/06/2006 9:37:38 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Maybe they just think it is God's will, and not their position to interfere?


28 posted on 02/06/2006 9:37:41 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Maybe they just think it is God's will, and not their position to interfere?


29 posted on 02/06/2006 9:37:53 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

No it's not just against the west.

GEESH!

READ the article. He's spelling it out even for YOU.


30 posted on 02/06/2006 9:43:30 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: reagan_fanatic

Hear, hear, RF!


31 posted on 02/06/2006 9:43:34 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Amen, I've said for years this would be a war if Radical Islam against the Western and modern worlds.

IMO, the pictures of the cult leader Mohammad and the vast radical reaction is quite revealing in regards to supposed Muslim moderates.
I think there are at least 75-90% radicals throughout their culture and religion and we have to be ready to stop another Hitler like take over of the world by Radical Islam.
32 posted on 02/06/2006 9:46:48 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: butternut_squash_bisque
"islam v The World, more likely, Mr SECDEF. I just wish *someone* would tell the truth..."

You're an astute person able to read between the lines on what is not said. What he says is true and you are right, however you know how politics go - come out with the truth and your opposition will destroy you. This would make great political fodder. He knows a hell of allot more than we do and he sees it coming.

You get it. Idiots don't and refuse to get it.
33 posted on 02/06/2006 9:47:07 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Rumsfeld should be aware that Hitler and Stalin built huge armies to implement their goals. The world that Rumsfeld is worried about, combined, does not have a world class anything. They are backward. Their weapons are our planes, car bombs and improvised devices. Stop worrying Rummy, they may not like us but they are no military threat to us. If you want to worry us, turn around look at China.


34 posted on 02/06/2006 10:03:14 AM PST by ex-snook (God of the Universe, God of Creation, God of Love, thank you for life.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"The remarks echoed his comments the day before in an address to the National Press Club in Washington, DC..."

After witnessing the response of the National Press Club to Matt Drudge and his magnificent address thereto--and notably the question and answer session--every intelligent being should know that wise words are wasted on that bunch of clowns.

35 posted on 02/06/2006 10:06:51 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Democrats are rumbling toward the November elections as the American Al Qaeda Party." ~jmaroneps37)
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To: ClearCase_guy

WW2 was against all the Germans. It matters not that a few prussian elitists tried to change the end-game when they realized all was lost.


36 posted on 02/06/2006 10:08:03 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
He cautioned that "that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world" but instead primarily "a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."

A political hedge. My take is that 1) a minority of Muslims are willing to co-exist with western civilization 2) a larger minority are not, and 3) the majority of Muslims may be more sympatheric with the latter than the former and are certainly intimidated by the latter.

37 posted on 02/06/2006 10:12:05 AM PST by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: reagan_fanatic
"Let Bush & Cheney say all the sweet things they want to about islam in public, as long as in private they're doing everything in their power to defeat it."

Referring to Islam as a "Religion of Peace" was unnecessary and absurd...

ITMT, Islamist immigrants have poured into America by the hundreds of thousands since 9/11. There should have been a moritorium on Muslim immigration AND Mexican immigration while we're at it -- and STILL ought to be.

Ergo, our self-preservation mode has been deactivated, and no, "everything" hasn't been done to "defeat Islam."

38 posted on 02/06/2006 10:16:37 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: nmh

Yeah, that which is not said, is always so easy to define...especially in one's own terms.


39 posted on 02/06/2006 10:16:41 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

seems at least ONE person understands the meaning of "Mr. Bombhead".

That map should be alarming and published by every US Media outlet but you will only see it on FR.


40 posted on 02/06/2006 10:24:24 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
[Rumsfeld] cautioned that "that this is not war between the West and the Muslim world" but instead primarily "a struggle between the relatively small fringe groups of extremists -- violent extremists -- who seek to hijack an ancient religion against the overwhelming majority of Muslims."

ISLAM *WAS* hijacked... by MUHAMMAD!

MUSLIMS INSTRUCTED TO KILL CHRISTIANS AND JEWS [9:29-30] JUST FOR SPEAKING AGAINST ISLAM [9:32]!

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS PROHIBITED:

KORAN [9.32] They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.

THIS IS MUHAMMAD'S EXAMPLE JUSTIFYING THE KILLING OF THEO van GOGH and the CARTOON RIOTS:

Hadith Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA'B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]

HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said:
Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger
. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka'b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka'b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu 'Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except 'Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na'ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.

APOSTATES TO BE KILLED BY UNSPECIFIED BELIEVERS:
This type of instruction throughout the Koran is the source of autonomous "radicalism".

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Unlike Christians, Muslims can pretend to deny their faith to fool unbelievers (Al-Taqiyyah):

KORAN [16.106] He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief-- on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

UNEQUAL JUSTICE:

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "...we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "...the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

WOMEN (and girls) IN ISLAM:

KORAN [2.223] Your wives are a tilth for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves, and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:67] Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?" He said, "Her silence (indicates her permission)."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [5:58:234] Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [7:62:64] Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

THE JOOOOOOZ IN ISLAM:

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

KORAN [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

© Religion of Peace

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (Mat 7:1-2)


ISLAM DELENDA EST!


41 posted on 02/06/2006 10:27:28 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I guess the "one world government" crap isn't working out the way the liberals and globalist wanted it to!


42 posted on 02/06/2006 10:30:26 AM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind)
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To: F16Fighter
ITMT, Islamist immigrants have poured into America by the hundreds of thousands since 9/11. There should have been a moritorium on Muslim immigration AND Mexican immigration while we're at it -- and STILL ought to be. Ergo, our self-preservation mode has been deactivated, and no, "everything" hasn't been done to "defeat Islam."

When I said Rumsfeld and Bush were handling this as it should be handled, I was referring to their public pronouncements regarding islam, which I believe is the correct way to engage muslims publicly. Bush is right there. I do, however, strongly oppose Bush's current policy on immigration (i.e. our southern border) since I believe it is the most likely place where muslim terrorists will infiltrate this country. Bush has failed miserably on this point, and IMO sealing the borders should be just as high a priority for the President as is sending American troops overseas to engage the enemy.
43 posted on 02/06/2006 10:31:43 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This is a war between civilization and syphilisation..As to the outcome, there can only be one. Islam delenda est.


44 posted on 02/06/2006 10:36:22 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: nmh

You're right, of course. That's what W has been doing with the muslims and islam, since 9-11. I cringe everytime I hear him call it TROP™.

Sigh.


45 posted on 02/06/2006 10:40:54 AM PST by butternut_squash_bisque (I don't have a clue...)
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To: mtbopfuyn
"Okey dokey, so where's the overwhelming majority who's speaking out and condemming this violence?"

One of Islam's main man Moe's most clever ploys, and one that leads me to believe he really was receiving "revelations" as he claimed, except that they were from Satan, as he first said he believed them to be, is that nothing he said was to be challenged without dire consequences.

Many Muslims in the world today don't know much about the Koran or Hadith, but they DO know they are never to take the side of a non-Muslim in conflict with a Muslim, RIGHT OR WRONG, and they DO know that they risk persecution for taking a stand against anything another Muslim claims to be in accordance with Moe and Allah.

The real GENIUS of Moe's body of work, and that would arguably confirm evil inspiration behind it is the denial of the value of the individual...of SELF...which is what all real religions, and Western civilization, is built upon.

The harsh censorship of competing ideas taught in the Koran notwithstanding, the biggest hurdle in getting the message of Salvation across to indoctrinated Muslims is the fact that they have to change their whole way of thinking to understand even their personal value, let alone the need of personal salvation. Because they are just fodder for the great and mighty Allah (Who, it seems pretty clear, is really just Moe's ethereal alter-ego whose only purpose is to put a stamp of approval on whatever Moe said and hold the threat of eternal consequences over the head of the lemmings who blindly submit to Moe's cult of death.

46 posted on 02/06/2006 10:59:44 AM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: Restorer
What makes you think that invasion and demographic conquest are all that different?
The spread of Islamism will lead to millions of Muslim refugees. These refugees in Europe and the west will have many children, a large percentage of whom will become radicalized by alienation from liberal societies. (If you think I am wrong look at the Algerians in France).
47 posted on 02/06/2006 11:59:24 AM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

Rumsfeld knows that, what he is saying is part of the tactics.


48 posted on 02/06/2006 12:13:05 PM PST by Palpatine (Every single liberal is now an enemy of the republic!)
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To: z3n

"So, to claim that they do makes you look like a religious bigot."

Since when does telling the truth make you a bigot? Oh yea, I forgot, there is a "special" exception for islam...we can't offend them or they will kill us.


49 posted on 02/06/2006 12:21:21 PM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful muslim...The Ultimate Oxymoron!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

"as long as in private they're doing everything in their power to defeat it."

When are they going to start that phase of the plan?


50 posted on 02/06/2006 12:22:56 PM PST by RouxStir (Peaceful muslim...The Ultimate Oxymoron!)
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