Skip to comments.Eden and Evolution
Posted on 02/06/2006 5:02:42 PM PST by CobaltBlue
Ricky Nguyen and Mariama Lowe never really believed in evolution to begin with. But as they took their seats in Room CC-121 at Northern Virginia Community College on November 2, they fully expected to hear what students usually hear in any Biology 101 class: that Charles Darwin's theory of evolution was true.
As professor Caroline Crocker took the lectern, Nguyen sat in the back of the class of 60 students, Lowe in the front. Crocker, who wore a light brown sweater and slacks, flashed a slide showing a cartoon of a cheerful monkey eating a banana. An arrow led from the monkey to a photograph of an exceptionally unattractive man sitting in his underwear on a couch. Above the arrow was a question mark.
Crocker was about to establish a small beachhead for an insurgency that ultimately aims to topple Darwin's view that humans and apes are distant cousins. The lecture she was to deliver had caused her to lose a job at a previous university, she told me earlier, and she was taking a risk by delivering it again. As a nontenured professor, she had little institutional protection. But this highly trained biologist wanted students to know what she herself deeply believed: that the scientific establishment was perpetrating fraud, hunting down critics of evolution to ruin them and disguising an atheistic view of life in the garb of science.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
I donno. Lemme mull it over a bit.
She said those photographs were for personal use only!
I feel more violated than Paris Hilton!
Well... maybe not that violated.
Ping to self.
A lot to think about.
It's long -- from the WashPost Magazine. This type of long, deep thinkpiece is the type of thing the WashPost does best, IMO, they let the writer just stretch out and hit a lot of different points.
Not fare for Three Stooges type of slapstick.
I just finished reading it. I still can't make up my mind. Guys, shall I ping the list?
That's backwards from what I think. Supernatural forces are what is not acting. Religion, a set of beliefs that supernatural forces control reality, does act, often leading people to do bad things.
This too is wrong.
True enough, but the creationist standards are wheeled out by the brave heroine - argument from incredulity, straw moths etc. The power of denial is literally awesome - this girl has an advanced degree which presumably entails frequent visits to large libraries with shelf after shelf bearing books and journals that contain no evidence.
PH...I already got pinged by mlc9852, so I am here...need to read the whole article, its a long one, and dont know if I have time enough this evening or not...and will be busy all day tomorrow...but I look forward, hopefully, to some good discussion...or not...whatever...
The gimmick here is she "sincerely" in her nutcase way thinks there aren't any strenghts of evolution. Still, she feels allowed to bait and switch the reporter who does not know up front what she intends.
They're allowed to lie as needed. The Lord understands.
This is key to the entire story.........isn't it?
I'd ping this one. The WaPo needs an education.
The close association of her belief that evolution nullifies her God means that she has a hopeless conflict of interest on the science. There's no way she could be trusted to be open minded on the facts.
I do shudder to think that she's teaching right down the street from me in Fairfax, VA -- admittedly Nova Community College is only a two-year college, but it's supposed to be pretty good as these things go.
My guess is she loses this job but gets a job teaching at a religious institution.
"Nazi Germany had taken Darwin's ideas..." [snip] "What happened in Germany in World War II was based on science,"
Would Ms. Crocker be as willing to link Hitler and the death camps to Christianity? I'd like to see her response to this:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter."
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )
Sure. Things have been a bit dull lately.
I'd like to take a look at that textbook. Not difficult, Nova is two miles from me, I could just drive there and look in the bookstore.
If they are teaching the moths and the primordial soup theory, then I would have to ask why.
What an incredibly ignorant Liar-for-the-Lord - I hope this fool is already fired by now (again).
I agree completely with your last sentence in your post, which reads "(for the record, I think it's downright nonsense, if not deliberate deceit, to link Hitler's crimes to either Darwin or Christianity. )"
Indeed...evil people do evil things, and trying to link their evil deeds to anothers religion or philosophy or world view, is as you say, nonsense and deceit...its also stupid, shallow, and clearly linked by people with some sort of axe to grind...
The peppered moths are a fine example of natural selection. I don't think they really speciated, so someone can yell "That's just microevolution!" and it's true as far as it goes. But macroevolution is just lots of accumulated micro-.
Check back to see if thread evolves.
The peppered moth story has too many problems to be taught with a straight face. I don't have a problem with teaching it as an example of science gone wrong.
Did they say which University she graduated from? Couldn't imagine any PhD committee allowing her to profess those beliefs!
Must not take much to teach at a community college these days.
If you were with Tim Leary, Owsley and I during 1967's summer in Berkeley, you would have.
And the primordial soup theory, while interesting, is just that. I don't think it's any more worth teaching in an intro biology class than ID.
Did you know his brother, Really?
Not really. It's a pretty good example of natural selection. But the anti-evos have made such a mountain out of the molehill that the moths were positioned for the photo ... it's become to evolution what Sally Hemmings is to Thomas Jefferson. Perhaps it's much easier to use some of the many other common examples -- DDT resistant bugs, for example.
I think one can reasonably infer from this exposition that Dawkins is pro-abortion. The "Gap in the Mind" in his head is that tormenting "distant cousins" (bulls, foxes) is much more repugnant that murdering your own, direct offspring.
A quick google indicates that she received a PhD in immunopharmacology from the University of Southampton, UK...
Tim's - sorry I couldn't resist a little toss of the hat to an old George Carlin routine.
Hey, all. Drudge has a link to a story about 100's of new species just found in New Guinea:
I guess cannibalism has its positive aspects in preserving species that might otherwise make it in the pot.
Not too many of these ultra-remote places left for finding a plethora (yes I said plethora) of new species.
I usually fall over laughing when I listen to Carlin, but please fill me in on this routine.
It probably wasn't mentioned in mine, but that was back around 1965. It's outside the scope of classical evolution, but I'm not sure it's outside the scope of biology. I could go either way on whether to put it in a HS intro class. It's an area where I'm willing to let the textbook writers write and the teachers teach.
But it has to be more worth mentioning than ID. There's really no there there in ID.
Can't remember much. Some things just stick "...Timothy Leary and his brother, Really..." It's from a few years after the TO'L movie about LSD. I actually saw it (the movie), but don't remember squat - I think I was in love at the time :)
From the article:
"No one has ever seen a dog turn into a cat in a laboratory."
"Humans have souls, which make them different from other animals, she told me later."
And when has anyone ever seen, or conclusively proven the evidence of the soul?
This woman is not fit to be teaching science. She should be teaching Sunday School at her local church.
I wouldn't bother. If you do, link to the pharyngula commentary on it. Crocker is clearly incompetent to teach biology, and her intrusion of religion into biology class is only the beginning.
The Magical Mystery Tour?
I've heard that working on a PhD can do that to you! Kind a went over the edge of reality!
I have never had to read so many words to end up with absolutely nothing to show for it.
Evolution takes many slings and arrrows because it doesn't explain the origins of life. Yet I agree somewhat with our critics: Biology should not avoid the topic, but is in a good position to pursue it (for example: the Miller-Urey demonstration in 1953).
No kidding. That really jumped out at me too. What evolutionists claim that dogs turn into cats? In petri dishes even!