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Palestinians used Bible as toilet paper Muslims' desecration of holy book received little notice
world net daily ^ | Posted: May 18, 2005 | (?)

Posted on 02/06/2006 5:41:14 PM PST by BlueJ7

Catholic priests in the church marking the spot where Jesus was believed to have been born said that during the five-week siege, Palestinians tore up some Bibles for toilet paper and removed many valuable sacramental objects, according to a May 15, 2002, report by the Washington Times.

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TOPICS: Israel; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bethlehem; cartoons; desecration; palestinians; radicalmuslims
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1 posted on 02/06/2006 5:41:16 PM PST by BlueJ7
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To: BlueJ7

Just shameful.


2 posted on 02/06/2006 5:42:33 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: BlueJ7

Don't worry about that. Quit your bitchen!!!


3 posted on 02/06/2006 5:42:52 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules ("scumsucking f--kstick Democratic a--hole senator" Spoken like a true demoncrat!)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Oh, that was sourcasum!


4 posted on 02/06/2006 5:43:27 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules ("scumsucking f--kstick Democratic a--hole senator" Spoken like a true demoncrat!)
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To: BlueJ7

Haven't you heard of tolerence? /Mega sarc


5 posted on 02/06/2006 5:44:00 PM PST by indcons (God has sent me to punish you Muslims for your insolence - Genghiz Khan)
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To: BlueJ7

It's childish, but who gives a flip? It's paper. Christians don't worship paper.


6 posted on 02/06/2006 5:45:02 PM PST by LongElegantLegs (Going armed to the terror of the public.)
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To: BlueJ7

Silly people who do not understand Christianity would be well advised to refrain from commenting upon that which eludes them. The Bible, the book itself, is not now nor has it ever been "holy." To believe such would be idolatry, which is condemned as abomination. The content of the book is the Word. The Word is holy. The book is pieces of paper.


7 posted on 02/06/2006 5:45:14 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: US_MilitaryRules

More "Ace" reporting from WorldNetDaily. <\sarcasm>


8 posted on 02/06/2006 5:45:48 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: BlueJ7

Islam is a blight on this planet.


9 posted on 02/06/2006 5:45:53 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: infidel29

Islam = antichrist?

I've been wondering for some time now.


10 posted on 02/06/2006 5:48:41 PM PST by andie74
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To: BlueJ7
AP News,

Christians rioted around the planet demanding an apology over the desecration of one of the most Holy places. Large groups of Christians, some with signs saying "You will get your 9-11", and "Slay those that slander Christianity", were in the streets of New York.

/Extreme sarc off

11 posted on 02/06/2006 5:48:42 PM PST by mosquewatch.com ("The enemy is anyone who will get you killed, no matter what side they are on.")
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To: pcottraux

Why that's just horrible....let's go burn a moque!(sarcasm on!)


12 posted on 02/06/2006 5:51:14 PM PST by mdmathis6 (Proof against evolution:"Man is the only creature that blushes, or needs to" M.Twain)
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To: BlueJ7
Palestinians used Bible as toilet paper Muslims' desecration of
holy book received little notice


As usual, the Palestinians are beaten to the punch.

The Communist camp guards in Vietnam did this.
Source: from one of the "boat people" that related the story to
Christian apologist/evangelist Razi Zacharias. How did this escapee from
Communist Vietnam know this? He had latrine duty during his
all-expenses-paid stay at a re-education camp.
13 posted on 02/06/2006 5:52:55 PM PST by VOA
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To: RegulatorCountry
"Silly people who do not understand Christianity would be well advised to refrain from commenting upon that which eludes them. The Bible, the book itself, is not now nor has it ever been "holy." To believe such would be idolatry, which is condemned as abomination. The content of the book is the Word. The Word is holy. The book is pieces of paper."

That is an opinion which is held by SOME Christians. But it is certainly not the view of all or even most. Worship is reserved to God. But respect for things which are holy is not idolatry. Recall please that Moses was commanded to remove his shoes before the burning bush. He was told that he stood on Holy Ground. The Bible contains the inspired word of God. As such its words are sacred and Holy. deliberate desecration of it is indeed sacrilegious.
14 posted on 02/06/2006 5:55:51 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: BlueJ7

In this world, it's the only religion that Satan opposes, so it should come as no surprise that this sort of thing goes on. As a Christian, I would wish that they would show respect, but knowing this world as it is, it isn't likely to happen.


15 posted on 02/06/2006 5:56:15 PM PST by KStorm (Currently residing in the NO TIN ZONE)
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To: BlueJ7
Expected behavior, from 6th century lunatics..

Many will require destruction...reform is unlikely..

Semper Fi
16 posted on 02/06/2006 5:57:17 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: indcons
Yeah, how dare they point out Islamist hypocrisy... especially after The New York Times has already covered the subject so exhaustively.
17 posted on 02/06/2006 5:58:55 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Hindsight is not wisdom.)
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To: andie74
Islam = antichrist?

Actually, the Antichrist is Esther N. Summers, 46, of 15c Rose Crescent Apartments, Dubuque, Iowa. We just haven't told her yet and boy, is she going to be surprised!

On another matter entirely, it would be its own penance to use any Bible I've ever seen as toilet paper.

18 posted on 02/06/2006 6:00:40 PM PST by Grut
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To: BlueJ7

I would rather that a Palestian use a Bible as toilet paper than Charmin. You need something to read when you're sitting on the pot. Read the toilet paper. Maybe you'll learn something.

If not, then don't complain that you weren't exposed to the Bible when you meet your maker.


19 posted on 02/06/2006 6:05:23 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: indcons; TheHound

Sorry, that response was for #8.


20 posted on 02/06/2006 6:05:29 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Hindsight is not wisdom.)
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To: river rat

No, actually I'd expect Muslims not to use toilet paper at all. This seems to be an improvement.


21 posted on 02/06/2006 6:07:28 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: jecIIny

" The Bible contains the inspired word of God. As such its words are sacred and Holy. deliberate desecration of it is indeed sacrilegious."

The Word is sacred. The book that contains the Word is important, but it is not, in and of itself, sacred. It is just a vessel. To deliberately destroy a Bible in the manner described is certainly sinful, and as such will be frowned upon by God. Those who would do such a thing are as dead to Him, unless and until they seek forgiveness through Jesus Christ. They are showing themselves to be idolators, who have no understanding and thus are mistaken in assuming that a Bible, a collection of pieces of paper, is something that can actually BE desecrated. It's an act of futility, done by those who worship idols and therefore have no conceptual framework other than idolatry to guide them.


22 posted on 02/06/2006 6:11:04 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BlueJ7

Israel should have stopped them if they did desecrate it, I think. But I doubt they did desecrate the holy book since they have much reverence for the bible's New Testament's prophets.


23 posted on 02/06/2006 6:12:30 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Randomness does not create intelligence; only intelligence creates intelligence.)
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To: BlueJ7
A muslim urinates at the entrance to an Othodox Church.
The peace process is now the piss process.

http://library.flawlesslogic.com/muslim3.jpg

24 posted on 02/06/2006 6:12:57 PM PST by MilleniumBug (Pattycake, Pattycake, Wilson's the man...Bake me a yellowboy fast as you can.)
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To: BlueJ7

"Vengeance is Mine. I will repay, says the Lord." Deuternonomy 32:35. He is much more powerful and just in His vengeance than we would be.


25 posted on 02/06/2006 6:16:08 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: andie74

"Islam = antichrist? "

I can tell you this. The messiah that the muslims are waiting for, the mahdi, according to the koran, will come and rule the world for seven years at the of which will judge mankind.

Christianity, on the other hand, believes that when the Anti-Christ makes himself known, he will come to global power for seven years. At the end of that seven years is when Jesus Christ returns as Messiah to throw the A/C into the lake of fire, all non-believers judged, and the rightious to live with Christ as world ruler from a new Jerusalem for 1000 years.

In short, the messiah muslims are waiting for is the anti-christ.


26 posted on 02/06/2006 6:17:10 PM PST by diverteach
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To: BlueJ7

I'm just glad they've stopped using their hands.


27 posted on 02/06/2006 6:20:46 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too
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To: diverteach

Interesting. I'd never heard that about the Muslim messiah.

As for the Anti-Christ coming to power, piece of cake. In ten to fifteen years, we'll all be so tolerant, we'll let someone railroad us, our way of life, and our Constitution with little or no problem.


28 posted on 02/06/2006 6:27:18 PM PST by andie74
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To: TheBrotherhood

Israel should have stopped them if they did desecrate it, I think.

You do realize that this was an armed standoff right? These were armed palestinian gangsters. If Israel had rushed and killed them they would have been condemned for that. And they were showing their respect for The New Testament Prophet, how?


29 posted on 02/06/2006 6:30:50 PM PST by sgtyork (If Osamma calls someone in the US, should the NSA hang up?)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
according to a May 15, 2002, report by the Washington Times.

Sorry, but I gave up on WorldNetDaily a couple of years ago, maybe I will scan them again, to see if, maybe; they have changed their ways.

30 posted on 02/06/2006 6:33:35 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: sgtyork

"And they were showing their respect for The New Testament Prophet, how?"

If you've ever listened to Louis Farrakhan, and I have out of curiosity before, you'll see that New Testament Christian prophets are held in esteem as prophets under Islam as well. I don't think the poster was implying that respect was shown; it was more an observation that the entire tale was/is suspect, because this supposed reverence would have prevented such a thing.


31 posted on 02/06/2006 6:36:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: BlueJ7
I wouldn't use the koran as toilet paper

it isn't good enough for that.

Perhaps it would be useful for starting a fire in the fireplace ... that has possibilities.
33 posted on 02/06/2006 6:39:47 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: BlueJ7


They should come to the United States - they'd be paid well for their "art".


34 posted on 02/06/2006 6:42:42 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: infidel29

Multicultralism is aids, and Islam is an opportunistic disease.


35 posted on 02/06/2006 6:43:14 PM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: TheHound

I have my own problems with WND. Most notably, their habit of disguising book advertisements as news items. Otherwise, they're pretty hit and miss, just like any other news site pandering to one side or the other.

But this is a real story, and I remember it quite vividly from 2002. WND's fair game for criticism, but they deserve some slack when they get it right, as they did here.


36 posted on 02/06/2006 6:45:30 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Hindsight is not wisdom.)
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To: BlueJ7

Okay .. there's our open inviatation .. can we blow them up now ..??


37 posted on 02/06/2006 6:49:52 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: BlueJ7
And the MSM has been virtually silent regarding stories of Bible desecration. But I'm not surprised.
38 posted on 02/06/2006 6:54:47 PM PST by manwiththehands (What a fellow FReeper told me: Being an "angry" conservative makes me a "fringer".)
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To: BlueJ7

We don't worship paper and ink the way the Muslims do. Nor do we worship a black rock.

These people are confused about the true God who can't be confined to a building, a book, or a cartoon.


39 posted on 02/06/2006 6:57:54 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
"The Word is sacred. The book that contains the Word is important, but it is not, in and of itself, sacred. It is just a vessel. To deliberately destroy a Bible in the manner described is certainly sinful, and as such will be frowned upon by God. Those who would do such a thing are as dead to Him, unless and until they seek forgiveness through Jesus Christ. They are showing themselves to be idolators, who have no understanding and thus are mistaken in assuming that a Bible, a collection of pieces of paper, is something that can actually BE desecrated. It's an act of futility, done by those who worship idols and therefore have no conceptual framework other than idolatry to guide them."

That would be a good summary of the views of SOME evangelical Protestants. It is not one that would be held by all of them. And it is certainly a view that would be rejected by confessional Protestants as also the worlds 1.1 billion Catholics and the 250+ million or so Orthodox Christians. The concept of places and objects being holy or sacred is so biblical that I would be here all night typing if I tried to enumerate all of them. A causal glance at the Old Testament should produce more than enough quotes. But I would refer to the burning bush and Moses bare feet again. Was he committing idolatry? Was the ground God? So while I respect your opinion, I must also vigorously disagree with you.
40 posted on 02/06/2006 6:58:37 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

OK, so I just did a quick scan of WND. Between the blinking ads and content fitting for the checkout counter at the local grocery store, I suppose one could find meaningful content. My hope is that FR folks maintain better sources than WND.


41 posted on 02/06/2006 7:01:40 PM PST by TheHound (You would be paranoid too - if everyone was out to get you.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Which is a very good point in this particular debate. It's quite clear that Moslems do, in fact, worship Mohammad's picture if it's shown to them.


42 posted on 02/06/2006 7:02:07 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: jecIIny

"But I would refer to the burning bush and Moses bare feet again. Was he committing idolatry? Was the ground God?"

Moses was in the presence of God, manifest through the burning bush. If Moses or anyone else were to have returned to that spot, after the fact, and had begun to worship the bush itself, that would be idolatry.


43 posted on 02/06/2006 7:02:34 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: jecIIny

It's still just paper.


44 posted on 02/06/2006 7:03:33 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: BlueJ7

I don't care. My God is more powerful than anything they can do to Him. I don't worship symbols, I worship Him, and He calls me not to be offended by trivia.


45 posted on 02/06/2006 7:03:44 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: diverteach
The Mahdi is not the Messiah. He simply arrives BEFORE the Messiah for the purpose of setting things straight.

Sounds like a garbled tale from the New Testament doesn't it.

46 posted on 02/06/2006 7:06:07 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: BlueJ7

Muslim desecration of other religions will never get any press. MSM and their lefty handlers are on the side of the terrorists.


47 posted on 02/06/2006 7:08:24 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: jecIIny
On the other hand, merely citing the vast numbers of people who hold to what so many of us on this side believe is a false belief does nothing but solidify our resolve to hold our position.

It's still just paper. God's Word is eternal ~ you can, as it were "hold it in your heart".

Try doing that with a book ~ ain't gonna' fit.

48 posted on 02/06/2006 7:09:05 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: RegulatorCountry

it was more an observation that the entire tale was/is suspect, because this supposed reverence would have prevented such a thing.

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I understand that there may be such respect among truly religious Muslims. You show more understanding than I for "the (muslim?)brotherhood" implying that "the tale is? suspect" I vividly remember this event and still feel my blood pressure raise thinking about it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52445,00.html

If a Christian group had done this to a mosque, there would have been hell to pay. Just another case of Muslim's demonstrated contempt for everyone else on the globe.


49 posted on 02/06/2006 7:13:20 PM PST by sgtyork (If Osamma calls someone in the US, should the NSA hang up?)
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To: muawiyah
Your position is noted. My response was directed initially at a post that seemed to be claiming to speak for all Christians. It was not my intention to say your wrong in your belief (although I do in fact disagree with you). Rather it was my intention to note that the original post was poorly written in that it seemed to be speaking for all Christians. See post 7 and my 14.
50 posted on 02/06/2006 7:21:16 PM PST by jecIIny (You faithful, let us pray for the Catechumens! Lord Have Mercy)
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