Skip to comments.In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConsciousEdited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:
Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!
Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks
Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.
I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.
Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.
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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.
If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.
I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.
While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.
This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.
In before the zot?
My question exactly!
Explain to me how you time travel...
Why should this be zotted? It's classic.
A clever attempt at evasion of the ZOT, much better than most.
We are unconvinced that it will work, however.
I'm always up for shaming the DU.
If you spend some time here and don't take any comments from other Freepers personally (we all get out of hand on occasion!), you'll fit right in.
"I am a working class person and hate capitalists."
Hate to break this to you but you wouldn't be working if it weren't for capitalists. ;)
Well, folks, I say we give the poster a chance. He at least understands the 2nd Amendment, which is more than you can say for the average progressive.
Isn't "progressive movement" a contradiction in terms?
I've wondered about that before. I think the sign-up clock is based on Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or something like that.
That's some good stuff. Someday you'll understand the rest of it.
"My question exactly!"
If so, then it will be the first time I was first on anything.
Why zot; the poster has stated his opinion calmly and with no insults. So, he is a progressive. That's better than a buchanite anyday.
It's the partisan zotting that he is complaining about ... a feature more of DU than FR.
Why would I be zotted? This is not my board, but if I am zotted, I hope there would be at least an explanation of why.
Well, there is this bit of insight...
"I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad."
I gotta agree with that reasoning, except I'm not the least bit sad.
Then you are obviously a moron. Buh bye.
Notice my tag line!
Free Republic is a great place for political discussion. About that you are certainly correct.
I am not cleverly attempting anything. I will post to the threads that DU locked if you want.
The problem is that you do not know what capitalism actually is. You are not alone in this. If you are still here later we can review what capitalism actually is.
Some of us post how much we hate Bush every day. And we don't get zotted!
Of course, it's only because he's a government-expanding socialist, but...
I became a conservative when I started homeschooling. I was amazed to find out (my first foray into politics) that Democrats, the party of personal freedom, has no room for anyone who does not think state schooling is a good idea.
The democrats have no room for homeschoolers, or any personal independance of thought. It runs through everything they push, from "politically correct" speech, to "homophobia" to schooling your own kids or running your own life and business.
Keep reading. You may learn some good stuff.
Now, now, he didn't call us Nazis or facists, didn't call us stupid, and ripped into DU.
My spidey sense isn't tingling all that hard (although it could just be the beer). So let's see if he/she/not sure/it comes back and defends his/her/huh?/its post.
Well, you ain't a progressive with that comment. You are either a socialist or a communist. Either way, you voice is welcome here, but don't be echos by the comments it brings back...
It's more of a redundancy.
I don't understand how someone can be sitting in America claiming to "hate capitalists". "Counterintuitive" doesn't begin to describe it.
I've often thought about the tagline: "There's nothing progressive about being liberal."
People: that is why I put a question mark at the end of my first post of this thread.
The debate is how to go about getting these things.
And most of the leftists I know think I'm "evil" not wrong but evil because of the views I hold.
I throw the small fry back.
Welcome to FR.
We are kinda hard on Democrats, usually they go through a pretty stiff 'feeling out' process.
There's a small contingent of Dems here, they're more conservative than the regular Dems, and thus are outcasts in most places.
We also have former Dems on board.
(I myself was an enviro once...)
Then at least we should give him a good lasting impression to take with him, eh?
It's tough being green.
It is not just that DU bans people who are conservatives or Republicans - they do this all the time for people who support the Green party!
Hey guys, don't start shooting yet....maybe this newbe really wants to start a conversation...he made some good points. Don't agree with most of his points...but we do allow different points of view here, even among ourselves.
I was thinking more along the lines of their standard policies. For example, their tax policies are regressive rather than progressive.
People here were rooting for Nader in 2000...
"So, he is a progressive. That's better than a buchanite anyday."
Real conservative there. That's basically saying you'd rather Bernie Sanders be president than Patrick Buchanan.
Just because Buchanan dare says anything about his disagreement with some of Bush's policies, and I'm sure most here aren't pleased with his plans on government spending and illegal immigration.
Why not tell me what he has done to get some here so riled up?
Doesn't matter whether any of us stay or go. We all have the right to an opinion fairly stated. I don't post at Du because they are only one step above that fetid old group, Digital Dems and should also be disinherited by the DNC...but it suits Dean to keep the rabble engaged.
What's a conservative? A liberal who's been mugged (by DU).
No, nothing will change at DU since the line there could be described as venomous Stalinism. There was only one time that I noticed a thread on DU agreeing with the FR, and that was the outrage over the Kelo v. New London ruling. Afterwards though I think the masters at DU cracked the whip. "Stick to the party line, you must support diversity", yet oddly no diversity of thought.
You may have also noticed here that topics are not limited to politics, but also science (some good astronomy and geology threads), history (SunkenCiv's ping list), among others. Yet on the DUmmieboard it must have the obligatory
HATEBUSHHATEBUSHHATEHATEHATEBUSH. It's just not healthy over there. You wonder if their heads are going to explode sometime, they are wound up so tight (of course we get in our flame wars here).
Stick around, you might learn something.