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In Praise of FR's freedom - from a progressive
by ClassConscious aka SoLongCrooks ^

Posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:43 PM PST by ClassConscious

Edited on 02/07/2006 3:38:17 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Earlier thread by this poster under another name before he was banned, linked above also:

Bye-bye Delay! So long crooks! Goodbye world, I'm gone by ZOT!

Posted on 01/08/2006 8:43:32 PM CST by SoLongCrooks

Yaa, you repukes are not doing so well, huh? Imagine, you repukes control the presidency, both houses of Congress, and appointed 7 of the 9 Supreme Court justices. Yet the Supreme Court thre out sodomy laws in all 50 states and recognized the right of government to seize land for any reason. And you couldn't pass your Social Security changes could you? Sorry, that was your last shot. Come November, we're going to start seeing more Democratic faces in the House. It's the end for you guys. You guys are celebrating when Bush's numbers go *up* to 45%. Then Faux News trumpets this like it's some kind of victory.

I should add I am not a Democrat, I am a communist. And I know one day the workers will control the means of production, and all the capitalist idle class parasites you guys love will be eliminated as a class. But I also recognize, like the CPUSA, sometimes you must enter a front with the liberals for tactical reasons. We had fun sticking it to the liberals with Nader and the Greens in 2000, 2002 and 2004, but this year we're switching gears. Evo Morales in Bolivia, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, plus all are other Latin American comrades, and the Left Party in Germany, the Socialist Party in Spain pulling the troops out of Iraq. It's a come back for the workers of the world, BIG TIME. Sorry to all you capitalists and sycophants, or Jesus-believing loonies.

Oh yaa - Bye bye Tom Delay. We control nothing in the government, yet we still control so much! Gramsci was right to make a long march through the institutions. Too bad your shot at power amounted to so little! At least you got your estate tax cut...for a few years anyhow.

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The first thing I will say up front - I am a progressive, not a conservative. This message is about the freedom of Free Republic, versus the party line of Democratic Underground.

If you look at Democratic Underground's rules ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html ), one is "Democratic Underground may not be used for political, partisan, or advocacy activity by supporters of any political party or candidate other than the Democratic Party or Democratic candidates." Note, this doesn't say Republicans, this doesn't say "progressive candidates", it says Democratic candidates, period. Now let's compare this to Free Republic's posting guidelines ( http://www.freerepublic.com/help.htm ) - "Broadly stated, the goals of this site are to further conservatism, expose political corruption, and recover a truly constitutional form of government." No mention of the Republican Party. No jihad against you if you make up your mind to vote for Pertouka. No "party line" from the Republican leadership. Significantly, even though DU and FR are compared often, that is a (unofficial) Democratic Party site, you are a conservative site.

I just made two posts saying positive things about the Green party, talking about how people like Clinton and Kerry do not represent working class people and so forth. This was after 200+ posts there by me on other topics. Both of my threads were locked and I was directed to the above mentioned rules, which say those who don't follow the Democratic Party line are not welcome. I then posted a thread saying Free Republic had more freedom of expression than Democratic Underground, and that that was a shame. That was erased.

While my discussion of this was banned on DU, I don't think it will be banned here. I can't believe I am more free to discuss my support of the Greens, or talk about freedom of political discussion on Free Republic than Democratic Underground. And as I said before, the fact that you are a conservative site, not a official or unofficial Republican Party site is probably due to this. The party that runs the White House, Congress and 7 of 9 Supreme Court seats allows people to support Pertouka over Bush on its main political board. The main discussion board for people of the progressive movement declares all must follow the Democratic Party line, and any other discussion is locked and erased. I've even seen people banned before.

This is not going to make me a conservative or Republican. I am a working class person and hate capitalists. Note, I hate capitalists, not conservatives. I know plenty of conservatives, but am not a regular at the mansions of wealthy heirs. Anyhow, my point is this will not make me like capitalism any more, but I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad.

I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control. I have heard people like this talk about how they are scared that people up in Appalachia and in the South have so many guns. I am always puzzled like this. For myself, I feel pretty SAFE knowing people in Appalachia, the South and so forth have guns. Why would someone be scared that the working people in rural areas have rifles, shotguns and so forth? The people who say this usually aren't working class people, they are usually liberal yuppie types. So all you second amendment supporters - you're more right than you know, if you heard how these people talk, you'd be more freaked out by all this gun control stuff than you probably already are. The gun control people are the creepiest, scariest people on the left and in the Democratic party. Meaning not the soccer moms and so forth they try to appeal to, but the people masterminding the fight on that. In fact, if you look at DU polls - many many DUers are more pro-2nd amendment than pro-gun control. So who are these gun control people? So keep fighting on this, at least one party supports the 2nd Amendment. Other than this, I don't agree with conservatives or Republicans on anything, especially in terms of the working class. Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there. You guys can discuss problems in the conservative movement while we can't - we're only allowed to praise the Democratic party, otherwise, hit the road. I hope I shame some DU admin into making changes with this, but I doubt I will.


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1 posted on 02/06/2006 7:52:46 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: ClassConscious

In before the zot?


2 posted on 02/06/2006 7:53:50 PM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: NapkinUser

My question exactly!


3 posted on 02/06/2006 7:55:10 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: ClassConscious
In the US, it's still the 6th. In re: your signup date.

Explain to me how you time travel...

/johnny

4 posted on 02/06/2006 7:55:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: ClassConscious

I-B-T-Z!!!!!!


5 posted on 02/06/2006 7:55:47 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: ClassConscious

Why should this be zotted? It's classic.


6 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:17 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: ClassConscious

A clever attempt at evasion of the ZOT, much better than most.

We are unconvinced that it will work, however.


7 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:37 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval")
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To: ClassConscious

I'm always up for shaming the DU.


8 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: ClassConscious
Welcome to FreeRepublic! This place offers a far more honest and open exchange of ideas than most people think.

If you spend some time here and don't take any comments from other Freepers personally (we all get out of hand on occasion!), you'll fit right in.

9 posted on 02/06/2006 7:56:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: ClassConscious

"I am a working class person and hate capitalists."

Hate to break this to you but you wouldn't be working if it weren't for capitalists. ;)


10 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:02 PM PST by Chgogal (CNN, the network that enabled Saddam.)
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To: ClassConscious

Well, folks, I say we give the poster a chance. He at least understands the 2nd Amendment, which is more than you can say for the average progressive.


11 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:11 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: ClassConscious

Isn't "progressive movement" a contradiction in terms?


12 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:26 PM PST by day10 (I'm gonna be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender.....)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I've wondered about that before. I think the sign-up clock is based on Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) or something like that.


13 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:43 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: ClassConscious
I should close this by saying I agree with nothing the Republicans or conservatives are for - except one thing. I am a complete supporter of the Second Amendment. I have been on the left for a long time and the scariest people around are the gun control people. Not the soccer moms who the leaders of gun control people try to appeal to, but the leaders themselves, the people who want more and more gun control.

That's some good stuff. Someday you'll understand the rest of it.

14 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:44 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: jocon307

"My question exactly!"

If so, then it will be the first time I was first on anything.


15 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:46 PM PST by NapkinUser (Georgia FReepers: FReepmail me to be on my 'Casey Cagle for Lt. Governor" ping list)
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To: NapkinUser

Why zot; the poster has stated his opinion calmly and with no insults. So, he is a progressive. That's better than a buchanite anyday.


16 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:47 PM PST by harrowup (Born perfect and humble about it.)
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To: NapkinUser

It's the partisan zotting that he is complaining about ... a feature more of DU than FR.


17 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:52 PM PST by gcruse
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To: NapkinUser

Why would I be zotted? This is not my board, but if I am zotted, I hope there would be at least an explanation of why.


18 posted on 02/06/2006 7:57:52 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: The Old Hoosier

Well, there is this bit of insight...

"I am very fed up with the Democrats and places like DU. They restrict freedom, make people follow a party line - and lose. You allow discussion, allow people to choose between Pertouka, Bush and whatnot - and win. Very sad."

I gotta agree with that reasoning, except I'm not the least bit sad.


19 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:09 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else.)
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To: The Old Hoosier
It was very interesting because it is the truth. No one dares to post anything on that other site if it is not dem policy.
20 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:11 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: ClassConscious
I am a working class person and hate capitalists.

Then you are obviously a moron. Buh bye.

21 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:25 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: ClassConscious


Notice my tag line!


22 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:27 PM PST by jazusamo (A Progressive is only a Socialist in a transparent disguise.)
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To: ClassConscious

Free Republic is a great place for political discussion. About that you are certainly correct.


23 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:29 PM PST by mysterio
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To: decal

I am not cleverly attempting anything. I will post to the threads that DU locked if you want.


24 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:53 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: ClassConscious

The problem is that you do not know what capitalism actually is. You are not alone in this. If you are still here later we can review what capitalism actually is.


25 posted on 02/06/2006 7:58:55 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: ClassConscious

Some of us post how much we hate Bush every day. And we don't get zotted!

Of course, it's only because he's a government-expanding socialist, but...


26 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:16 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: ClassConscious

I became a conservative when I started homeschooling. I was amazed to find out (my first foray into politics) that Democrats, the party of personal freedom, has no room for anyone who does not think state schooling is a good idea.

The democrats have no room for homeschoolers, or any personal independance of thought. It runs through everything they push, from "politically correct" speech, to "homophobia" to schooling your own kids or running your own life and business.

Keep reading. You may learn some good stuff.


27 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:17 PM PST by I still care (You don't demonstrate tolerance for minorities by apologising for your own heritage- John Howard)
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To: harrowup
"Hopefully this post will shame some DU admin into allowing more freedom of expression for progressives there..."

He has no intention of staying here - he'd go back to the DUmmies in an instant if he could.
28 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:30 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval")
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To: NapkinUser
In before the zot?

Now, now, he didn't call us Nazis or facists, didn't call us stupid, and ripped into DU.

My spidey sense isn't tingling all that hard (although it could just be the beer). So let's see if he/she/not sure/it comes back and defends his/her/huh?/its post.

29 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:33 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: ClassConscious
Re: I am a working class person and hate capitalists.

Well, you ain't a progressive with that comment. You are either a socialist or a communist. Either way, you voice is welcome here, but don't be echos by the comments it brings back...

30 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:50 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: day10
Isn't "progressive movement" a contradiction in terms?

It's more of a redundancy.

31 posted on 02/06/2006 7:59:58 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: harrowup

Hear hear.


32 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:13 PM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: ClassConscious

I don't understand how someone can be sitting in America claiming to "hate capitalists". "Counterintuitive" doesn't begin to describe it.


33 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:14 PM PST by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: jazusamo

I've often thought about the tagline: "There's nothing progressive about being liberal."


34 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:14 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: All

People: that is why I put a question mark at the end of my first post of this thread.


35 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:21 PM PST by NapkinUser (Georgia FReepers: FReepmail me to be on my 'Casey Cagle for Lt. Governor' ping list)
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To: ClassConscious
Thanks for posting. I think the big difference between we who call ourselves conservatives and the left is that we generally don't feel those who hold leftist views are evil based on their views. Wrong, misguided, even stupid, but not evil. Why? Because a lot of us have held a postition that could fairly be described as "left" at one time or another, and, shock of shock, most of us still think the professed goals of the left are good. Who doesn't want inexpensive, universal health care, or perfect blue skies free from pollution.

The debate is how to go about getting these things.

And most of the leftists I know think I'm "evil" not wrong but evil because of the views I hold.

36 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:26 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Alberta's Child
Nah... The trolls regularly roll in about this hour from eastern europe and farther east. I used to fish for them until I found out how easy it was.

I throw the small fry back.

/johnny

37 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:33 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: ClassConscious; RKBA Democrat; Bush_Democrat

Welcome to FR.
We are kinda hard on Democrats, usually they go through a pretty stiff 'feeling out' process.
There's a small contingent of Dems here, they're more conservative than the regular Dems, and thus are outcasts in most places.
We also have former Dems on board.
(I myself was an enviro once...)


38 posted on 02/06/2006 8:00:55 PM PST by Darksheare (Aim low! They got knees!)
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To: decal
He has no intention of staying here - he'd go back to the DUmmies in an instant if he could.

Then at least we should give him a good lasting impression to take with him, eh?

39 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:13 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: ClassConscious

It's tough being green.


40 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:13 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: gcruse

It is not just that DU bans people who are conservatives or Republicans - they do this all the time for people who support the Green party!


41 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:15 PM PST by ClassConscious
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To: ClassConscious

Hey guys, don't start shooting yet....maybe this newbe really wants to start a conversation...he made some good points. Don't agree with most of his points...but we do allow different points of view here, even among ourselves.


42 posted on 02/06/2006 8:01:23 PM PST by Jewels1091
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To: RightWhale

I was thinking more along the lines of their standard policies. For example, their tax policies are regressive rather than progressive.


43 posted on 02/06/2006 8:02:14 PM PST by day10 (I'm gonna be a happy idiot and struggle for the legal tender.....)
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To: ClassConscious

People here were rooting for Nader in 2000...


44 posted on 02/06/2006 8:02:29 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: ClassConscious

45 posted on 02/06/2006 8:03:34 PM PST by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Alberta's Child
"Then at least we should give him a good lasting impression to take with him, eh?"

"They're not COMPLETELY evil."

No thanks - we have enough token Progs here already.
46 posted on 02/06/2006 8:03:35 PM PST by decal (Too many people mistake "tolerance" for "approval")
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To: harrowup

"So, he is a progressive. That's better than a buchanite anyday."

Real conservative there. That's basically saying you'd rather Bernie Sanders be president than Patrick Buchanan.

Just because Buchanan dare says anything about his disagreement with some of Bush's policies, and I'm sure most here aren't pleased with his plans on government spending and illegal immigration.

Why not tell me what he has done to get some here so riled up?


47 posted on 02/06/2006 8:03:52 PM PST by NapkinUser (Georgia FReepers: FReepmail me to be on my 'Casey Cagle for Lt. Governor' ping list)
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To: decal

Doesn't matter whether any of us stay or go. We all have the right to an opinion fairly stated. I don't post at Du because they are only one step above that fetid old group, Digital Dems and should also be disinherited by the DNC...but it suits Dean to keep the rabble engaged.


48 posted on 02/06/2006 8:03:53 PM PST by harrowup (Born perfect and humble about it.)
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To: ClassConscious

What's a conservative? A liberal who's been mugged (by DU).


49 posted on 02/06/2006 8:04:00 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: ClassConscious

No, nothing will change at DU since the line there could be described as venomous Stalinism. There was only one time that I noticed a thread on DU agreeing with the FR, and that was the outrage over the Kelo v. New London ruling. Afterwards though I think the masters at DU cracked the whip. "Stick to the party line, you must support diversity", yet oddly no diversity of thought.

You may have also noticed here that topics are not limited to politics, but also science (some good astronomy and geology threads), history (SunkenCiv's ping list), among others. Yet on the DUmmieboard it must have the obligatory
HATEBUSHHATEBUSHHATEHATEHATEBUSH. It's just not healthy over there. You wonder if their heads are going to explode sometime, they are wound up so tight (of course we get in our flame wars here).

Stick around, you might learn something.


50 posted on 02/06/2006 8:04:08 PM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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