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We aren't changing climate (N.C. Sen. Robert Pittenger gets it)
The Charlotte Observer ^ | Sunday, February 5, 2006 | Senator Robert Pittenger

Posted on 02/07/2006 8:58:03 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger

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He gets it.
1 posted on 02/07/2006 8:58:04 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger

He sure does, bless'em. But no one knows who he is outside of NC(one of my very favorties states, btw).


2 posted on 02/07/2006 9:00:46 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Unfortunately, the debate is not about the science, it is about feeeeeeeeeeeeelings.
3 posted on 02/07/2006 9:00:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
this guy is right. Global warming has far more to do with solar output and the cyclical variations in orbits, precission, eccentricity and tilt.

http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/earth/climate/cli_sun.html

Earth gets all its energy from the Sun and it is the Sun's energy that keeps Earth warm. But the amount of energy Earth receives is not always the same. Changes in the Sun and changes in Earth's orbit affect the amount of energy that reaches the Earth.

The 11-Year Solar Cycle
When the Sun has fewer sunspots, it gives off less energy, less energy makes its way to Earth, and our planet cools down. More than three hundred years ago, when the climate was cooler for a time called the "Little Ice Age", people noticed there were no sunspots for several decades. Over time, scientists have noticed a pattern in the number of sunspots. About every 11 years the number of sunspots reaches a high and then decreases again.

Milankovitch Cycles
Over thousands of years, changes in Earth's orbit cause changes in the amount of the Sun's energy that gets to the planet. Over the past several million years these changes have caused cycles of global warming and cooling.

There are three ways that Earth's orbit changes over time.

Eccentricity: The shape of Earth's orbit around the Sun becomes slightly more and then less oval every 100,000 years.
Precession: Earth wobbles on it axis as it spins, completing a full wobble every 23,000 years.
Tilt: The angle of the Earth's axis relative to the plane of its orbit changes about three degrees every 41,000 years.

GLOBAL WARMING PRIMER
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land/global/climchng.html



These two figures show former temperatures with major periods of glaciation labeled. The dashed lines are the present global average temperature of about 15° C (59° F). Thus the solid curves show small changes from this average; note that the temperature drops only about 5° C during a glaciation. This has occurred about every 100,000 years, with smaller wiggles in between. That is, there has been a 100,000 year glaciation cycle for the past million years or so, and there may be shorter cycles as well.

The most recent glaciation, 20,000 years ago, is called the Laurentide, and Earth is still recovering from it. This map from the The Illinois State Museum exhibit on ice ages shows the extent of that ice.


The most recent small drop in average temperature caused the Little Ice Age of 1500-1700 AD, which history describes. Mountain glaciers advanced in Europe and rivers like the Thames in England froze solid, which doesn't happen now.


4 posted on 02/07/2006 9:01:13 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: texianyankee; JayB; ElkGroveDan; markman46; palmer; Bahbah; Paradox; FOG724; Mike Darancette; ...
(((GLOBAL WARMING PING)))



You have been pinged because of your interest in environmentalism, alarmist wackos, mainstream media doomsday hype, and other issues pertaining to global warming. Freep-mail me to get on or off.



Good editorial which uses science and facts to refute mainstream media alarmism. He must be paying attention to Junkman and me. *Wink*
5 posted on 02/07/2006 9:02:15 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger ("We are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being." SCOTUS, Zorach v. Clauson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

No, not feeeeeelings.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNDING!!!


6 posted on 02/07/2006 9:03:56 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (27th Infantry Regiment...cut in half during the Clinton years....Nec Aspera Terrent!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
That he does!

Now, if only we could get this in the MSM! Yea right. The Enviroweenies make WAY too much $$ scaring people and with out a cause to harp on, they have no reason to exist. So the only real extinction we are talking about is that of the Enviroweenies, which is actual a laudable goal. Someone please start in Oregon!
7 posted on 02/07/2006 9:05:01 AM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: ElectricStrawberry

You got that right! Is is ALL about funding!


8 posted on 02/07/2006 9:12:09 AM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Thank GOD somebody gets it.


9 posted on 02/07/2006 9:13:15 AM PST by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Bump for my state senator


10 posted on 02/07/2006 9:14:36 AM PST by JohnnyZ (Happy New Year! Breed like dogs!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Once in awhile we have an intelligent and rationale analysis of the current global warming trend. The Sun has been putting out more energy this particular solar cycle, as it has in the past. As a result the Earth, Mars, and Venus are experiencing global warming. The warming trend is 100% caused by the Sun and not by Mankind. The blaming of Mankind is akin to Pagan worship but sacrificing sound economies instead of fair maidens. Nice post!


11 posted on 02/07/2006 9:15:11 AM PST by olezip
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To: finnman69; DaveLoneRanger

Since the Sun is a main-sequence star, it seems logical, if not observable, that increasing solar influx would have a gradually increasing role in global warming.

Does current astrophysical thinking indicate that the Sun will gradually warm, or is it supposed that its transition will come only after an extended period of complete thermal stability?


12 posted on 02/07/2006 9:20:12 AM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: ElectricStrawberry
No, not feeeeeelings. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNDING!!!

Even better.

13 posted on 02/07/2006 9:32:34 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The future looks bright enough, but there is a red light up ahead.


When the Earth is absorbed by some real global warming, where will Humanity be?
14 posted on 02/07/2006 9:40:03 AM PST by NicknamedBob (And then I sat down and I wrote this report, ‘cause I knew that you’d want all the facts.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
though satellite data has shown no such warming to date.

No, he doesn't. Every current analysis of lower troposphere satellite data (MLS data set) now shows warming consistent with models of the predicted warming due to greenhouse gases in this century.

Anyone who makes the statement that "satellite data don't show warming in the lower atmosphere" has not updated his understanding of the global warming topic since 1999.

15 posted on 02/07/2006 10:08:56 AM PST by cogitator
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To: finnman69
this guy is right. Global warming has far more to do with solar output and the cyclical variations in orbits, precission, eccentricity and tilt.

Not the current warming trend. The current warming trend over the past 150 years -- acclerating since the mid-1980s -- is too fast to be caused by astronomical cycles. Those factors operate on time-scales of 1-10,000 years.

16 posted on 02/07/2006 10:11:05 AM PST by cogitator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

"it is about feeeeeeeeeeeeelings"

And about fuuuuuuuuunnnnding.

Always follow the money.


17 posted on 02/07/2006 10:16:55 AM PST by webstersII
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Good editorial which uses science and facts to refute mainstream media alarmism.

On the contrary, it uses recycled and outdated arguments, and incorrect interpretations of scientific results, to validate inaccurate views and opinions of the global warming issue.

The only part of this that I feel he comes close to being reasonable is this:

We must also consider the costs of diverting vital resources from important issues like feeding the world's poor and providing ample water supply to emerging countries, which is the most important factor to impact world health [Yes!]. Contrary to the wishful thinking of those who believe we can alter climate change, such an emphasis could adversely affect critical world issues. The billions and by some estimates even trillions that it would cost society to cut carbon emissions would have a minute effect on projected global climate change while diverting our resources from more important issues at hand.

The way to address greenhouse gas emissions is not by just "cutting carbon emissions". The way to do it is to improve society (US and global) by changing the fundamental energy infrastructure of the global economy. And this is what President Bush called for in the State of the Union address. By doing what he called for, we can improve society, strengthen our economy against oil shocks, strengthen our national security and the global need to protect oil reserves from control by extremists, address the urgent societal needs identified above -- AND also reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

18 posted on 02/07/2006 10:17:44 AM PST by cogitator
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To: olezip
The Sun has been putting out more energy this particular solar cycle, as it has in the past.

No, it hasn't. Read this:

The Role of the Sun in 20th Century Climate Change

19 posted on 02/07/2006 10:19:15 AM PST by cogitator
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To: ElectricStrawberry
You have the bottom line right....MONEY....and every plan to make the use of our natural assets with new stringent environmental attachments results in higher consumer prices and ultimately less consumption of other USA goods.

That drives us to buy the cheap "cra*" coming out of China or the "no taste" vegies coming from Mexico and South America.

It's a "no gain" for the USA. The trade deficient, the overlapping social programs and the dependency on FOREIGN oil are the three problems which need fixing. Fixing those problems would change the flow of money and those necessary programs for the poor and hungry will benefit along with providing new jobs.

The Dems refuse to a meeting of the minds on any of them. Their voters are after all, the Unions, social program benefactors, the Eniro Nazis and "women"....the base that gave Bubba his win. IMHO

20 posted on 02/07/2006 10:34:34 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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