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Bill would allow guns in car trunks (MI)
Lansing State Journal ^ | February 4, 2006 | Derek Wallbank

Posted on 02/08/2006 8:12:57 AM PST by neverdem

Capital News Service

Governor supports efforts to simplify state's current laws

Firearms owners would be permitted to carry unloaded weapons in their trunks, even if they don't have a hunting license, under legislation under consideration in the state House.

Rep. Tim Moore, the sponsor, said many well-meaning people are unintentionally breaking the present law.

"We want to make sure that law-abiding citizens don't face penalties," said Moore, calling it a "common sense bill."

The bill would require that all guns be unloaded "in both barrel and magazine and be carried in the trunk of a vehicle."

Currently, gun owners who are transporting guns must either have a hunting license or be en route to or from a "rifle or target range, trap or skeet shooting ground, or archery range." Violations carry a maximum penalty of 90 days in jail and a $250 fine.

That destination provision makes the law unenforceable, said Sam Washington, executive director of the Michigan United Conservation Clubs. "I could say I was going out to a range, and the officer would have no way of knowing," he said.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm supports the bill and will sign it if it comes to her desk, said spokeswoman Heidi Watson: "It simplifies current regulations."

The bill is before the House Conservation, Forestry and Outdoor Recreation Committee.

Chairman Tom Casperson, R-Escanaba, said he expected the bill to sail through committee and pass the House because he and Moore have seen no significant opposition.

"Nobody's come forward to me to say that they're against it," said Moore.

Casperson said he plans to schedule a hearing this month.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist

1 posted on 02/08/2006 8:12:58 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

worse than NY...cant believe it.


2 posted on 02/08/2006 8:14:49 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: neverdem

I've meant to ask. If you have ammo in your car or truck (perhaps you've just purchased it) and you stop for lunch, and it's a summer day, can the high temps inside your car cause the round(s) to discharge? Seriously.


3 posted on 02/08/2006 8:16:07 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: neverdem
Guns are Constitutionally protected.

They are not protected because people hunt.
They are not protected because people enjoy time on the range.
They ARE protected for reasons of self-defense.

Being unloaded and locked in the trunk diminshes their ability to aid in self-defense.

4 posted on 02/08/2006 8:16:17 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: Dan from Michigan; absolootezer0

Granholm's getting religion. Is she up for re-election this year?


5 posted on 02/08/2006 8:16:23 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Firearms owners would be permitted to carry unloaded weapons in their trunks, even if they don't have a hunting license,

Does this mean it's presently illegal? Jeez Louise, and people call California liberal.

6 posted on 02/08/2006 8:16:39 AM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: theDentist
I've meant to ask. If you have ammo in your car or truck (perhaps you've just purchased it) and you stop for lunch, and it's a summer day, can the high temps inside your car cause the round(s) to discharge? Seriously.

IMHO, Iraq would have cooked off already.

7 posted on 02/08/2006 8:19:11 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: theDentist

Unlikely. Sometimes when firing automatic machine guns the barrell will get hot enough to cook one off in the chamber but thats only after many many rounds.


8 posted on 02/08/2006 8:20:07 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: neverdem

Looks like Michigan is another state I will not retire in.


9 posted on 02/08/2006 8:21:04 AM PST by wmileo
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To: theDentist

I highly doubt it. As in my younger days I heard a clunking in my dryer after it had been on for quite a while. It was about 4 9mm rounds. Oops!

On top of that when a round goes off outside of a chamber of a gun it really has no directional force. I mean it would be more like a super mini grenade that wouldn't penetrate a car trunk. The bullet would just lay there and the brass would expand or shatter and that would be about it. IMO


10 posted on 02/08/2006 8:21:18 AM PST by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: neverdem; All
Michigan Statewide Handgun Regulations

Statewide Handgun Regulations

(Note: The guidelines listed below may not apply to a person having a concealed pistol license or a person specifically exempt by law from a concealed pistol license and carrying their handgun in accordance with their license or exemption.)

Carrying of Handguns in the Field
While in the field, handguns must be carried in plain view. Carrying a handgun in a holster in plain view is permitted.

Transportation of Handguns
You may transport your registered handguns while en route to and from your hunting or target shooting area; however, handguns, including BB guns larger than .177 caliber and all pellet guns must be unloaded and in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms in the trunk of the vehicle. If the vehicle does not have a trunk, the handgun must be unloaded and in a closed case designed for the storage of firearms and cannot be readily accessible to any occupant of the vehicle.

It is a crime for certain felons to possess firearms, including rifles and shotguns, in Michigan. For more information regarding statewide handgun regulations, obtaining a concealed pistol license or Michigan concealed weapons and firearms laws, contact your local police department or visit the Michigan State Police website at www.michigan.gov/msp.


11 posted on 02/08/2006 8:30:58 AM PST by holymoly (Ahhhhh. Beer so cold it hurts my teeth.)
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To: holymoly

Still looking for laws regarding long guns.


12 posted on 02/08/2006 8:31:36 AM PST by holymoly (Ahhhhh. Beer so cold it hurts my teeth.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah, that'll be a lot of use in case of a carjacking.


13 posted on 02/08/2006 8:32:54 AM PST by shekkian
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To: theDentist

Striking the primer is what discharges ammunition. If you're asking about a hot evironment, they would have to be tossed into a fire.


14 posted on 02/08/2006 8:35:51 AM PST by shekkian
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To: neverdem

yanno, this is actually a redundant law. you can have a weapon in your vehicle for transport for any lawful purpose. remember that MI is an open carry state, therefore transporting it anywhere can be considered "lawful."
also, AG ruled that if you have CCW, you may store weapons in your trunk anywhere, including parking lots of gun free zones.
they don't need to pass a new bill, they need to rescind the old one.


15 posted on 02/08/2006 8:37:36 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: neverdem
Is she up for re-election this year?

Yes. Who would have guessed?

16 posted on 02/08/2006 8:40:12 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: eastforker; theDentist
Unlikely. Sometimes when firing automatic machine guns the barrell will get hot enough to cook one off in the chamber but thats only after many many rounds.

FWIW, once it's that hot, it's hot enough to char human flesh on contact. (not sure what that works out to in degrees)

17 posted on 02/08/2006 8:43:56 AM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: theDentist

A big fat NO! In fact, every law enforcement car and truck in America carries extra ammo in their trunks.

It takes considerable heat to set off a round.


18 posted on 02/08/2006 8:53:59 AM PST by standing united (82nd ABN 1/508th BN Bco 1st Sqd. Alpha Fireteam Leader: "fury from the sky" 8-Duce on the Loose!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

Yes, here in the peoples democratic republik of michigan, it is currently illegal to carry a firearm anywhere in your vehicle unless you have a conceiled weapons permit, or a hunting license...........welcome to a democrats dream state........


19 posted on 02/08/2006 9:28:45 AM PST by joe fonebone (Woodstock defined the current crop of libs, but who cleaned up the mess they left?)
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To: neverdem

I always wondered what the point is of carrying a gun in the trunk of your car.When that fellow snatches your door open at the red light, are you going to freeze the frame for a sec while you run around to retrieve your piece from the trunk?


20 posted on 02/08/2006 9:57:20 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than over here.)
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To: arthurus

Thoughtcrime! Everyone knows you are supposed to dial 911 and wait!


21 posted on 02/08/2006 10:02:25 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: neverdem
Is she up for re-election this year?

Yep.

22 posted on 02/08/2006 10:10:14 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("What does a guy have to do to get fired around here?" - Darryl Rogers, former Lions Coach)
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To: neverdem; Vaquero; ElkGroveDan; wmileo; joe fonebone; All
This is what happens when the Government decides to infringe on the Second Amendment.


NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT (EXCERPT)

Act 451 of 1994

Sec. 43513.

(1) A person may carry, transport, or possess a firearm, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow without a hunting license while at or going to and from a recognized rifle or target range, trap, or skeet shooting ground, or archery range if the firearm or bow and arrow or crossbow, while being carried or transported, is as follows:

(a) The firearm is unloaded in both barrel and magazine and either enclosed in a case or carried in the trunk of a vehicle.

(b) The bow or crossbow is unstrung, enclosed in a case, or carried in the trunk of a vehicle.

(2) Regardless of whether the person has a license or it is open season for the taking of game, a person may carry, transport, possess or discharge a firearm, a bow and arrow, or a crossbow if all of the following apply:

(a) The person is not taking or attempting to take game but is engaged in 1 or more of the following activities:

(i) Target practice using an identifiable, artificially constructed target or targets.

(ii) Practice with silhouettes, plinking, skeet, or trap.

(iii) Sighting-in the firearm, bow and arrow, or crossbow.

(b) The person is, or is accompanied by or has the permission of, either of the following:

(i) The owner of the property on which the activity under subdivision (a)(i), (ii), or (iii) is taking place.

(ii) The lessee of that property for a term of not less than 1 year.

(c) The owner or lessee of the property does not receive remuneration for the activity under subdivision (a)(i), (ii), or (iii).

(3) A person may carry or possess an unloaded weapon at any time if the person is traveling to or from or participating in an historical reenactment.


And here is a link to the proposed changes:

HOUSE BILL No. 5408

23 posted on 02/08/2006 11:03:58 AM PST by holymoly (Ahhhhh. Beer so cold it hurts my teeth.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

You think that's bad, in Maryland if you so much as stop for a cup of coffee on your way to or from a shooting activity, an unloaded handgun in the trunk is technically "transporting a handgun without a license" which carries a first offense penalty of up to three years in prison.


24 posted on 02/08/2006 11:17:40 AM PST by CGTRWK
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To: theDentist
can the high temps inside your car cause the round(s) to discharge? Seriously.

Shifting into fire instructor mode.

Ammo involved in fires will not explode, (except on TV or in movies.)
The cases will rupture sometimes and the powder will burn rapidly, but no explosion. The round will not "discharge."
If the primer goes first the case will burst.
Ammo is considered a fire hazard, not an explosive hazard.

25 posted on 02/08/2006 11:28:02 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: TC Rider
once it's that hot, it's hot enough to char human flesh on contact

I've fired M-16 on full auto enough to have a orange glowing barrell.
Put a squard of soldiers all having done this into a Huey and you have a fun, don't touch me moment.

26 posted on 02/08/2006 11:36:10 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Or press your "Trunk Monkey" button.


27 posted on 02/08/2006 11:37:18 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet; theDentist

Ditto what everyone else already said, as well as ASA Vet. I've tossed reloads that went bad (i.e. usually instances where the case buckled/wrinkled) into a fire. I didn't stand around waiting for them to cook off. But they did explode, after a fashion, enough to move stuff around them.


28 posted on 02/08/2006 11:42:13 AM PST by Simo Hayha (An eduction is incomplete without instruction in the use of arms to defend against harm.)
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To: holymoly
The Michigan Government also ignores the State Constitution.

CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN OF 1963 ARTICLE I. DECLARATION OF RIGHTS MCL Const. 1963, Art. 1, | 6 (1992) | 6. Bearing of arms. Sec. 6. Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state. HISTORY: Const. 1963, Art. I, | 6, Eff. Jan. 1, 1964. NOTES: Former Constitution: See Const. 1908, Art. II, | 5.

29 posted on 02/08/2006 11:43:04 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet

IMO The MI Legislature better get on this little problem sooner rather than later.

For those unfamiliar with MI law, the state requires that newly purchased handguns be presented to local law enforcment for a "safety inspection", within 10 days of purchase. (The handguns are then registered; serial number, caliber, etc. are all entered into the State database.)

If I read the law regarding transportation of firearms correctly, it would appear that anyone in MI who takes a handgun to their local Sheriff/P.D. for the required "safety inspection", is technically breaking the law regarding transportation of firearms, unless that person has either a hunting license, or concealed weapons permit.


30 posted on 02/08/2006 12:34:13 PM PST by holymoly (Ahhhhh. Beer so cold it hurts my teeth.)
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To: ASA Vet

Heh! That'll work. Always wanted one of those trunk monkeys.


31 posted on 02/08/2006 2:13:31 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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