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White House Gives Details on Surveillance
AP on Yahoo ^ | 2/8/06 | Katherine Shrader - ap

Posted on 02/08/2006 4:12:10 PM PST by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - After weeks of insisting it would not reveal details of its domestic eavesdropping, the White House reversed course Wednesday and provided a House committee with highly classified information about the program.

The White House has been under heavy pressure from lawmakers who wanted more information about the National Security Agency's monitoring. Democrats and many Republicans rejected the administration's implicit suggestion that they could not be trusted with national security secrets.

The shift came after Rep. Heather Wilson (news, bio, voting record), R-N.M., chairwoman of a House Intelligence Committee subcommittee, broke with the Bush administration and called for a full review of the NSA's program, along with legislative action to update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

"I think we've had a tremendous impact today," Wilson said at a news conference as Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and Gen. Michael Hayden, the nation's No. 2 intelligence official, briefed the House panel on technical and tactical intelligence.

"I don't think the White House would have made the decision that it did had I not stood up and said, 'You must brief the Intelligence Committee,'" she said.

When asked what prompted the move to give lawmakers more details, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino the administration stated "from the beginning that we will work with members of Congress, and we will continue to do so regarding this vital national security program."

At least one Democrat left the four-hour House session saying he had a better understanding of legal and operational aspects of the anti-terrorist surveillance program being conducted without warrants but still had a number of questions.

"It's a different program than I was beginning to let myself believe," said Alabama Rep. Bud Cramer, the senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee's oversight subcommittee.

"This may be a valuable program," Cramer said, adding that he didn't know if it was legal. "My direction of thinking was changed tremendously."

Still, Cramer said, some members remain angry and frustrated, and he didn't know why the White House waited so long to inform Congress of its actions.

Lawmakers leaving the briefing said it covered the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, Justice Department papers outlining legal justifications for the operations, limited details on success stories and some highly sensitive details.

The White House has insisted that it has the legal authority to monitor terror-related international communications in cases in which one party to the call is in the United States.

For more than 50 days, senior officials have argued that Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were within the law when they chose to brief only the eight lawmakers who lead the House and Senate and its intelligence committees.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; details; eavesdropping; fisa; heatherwilson; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; spying; surveillance; whitehouse
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1 posted on 02/08/2006 4:12:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Let the leaks begin!


2 posted on 02/08/2006 4:13:07 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Rep. Heather Wilson, R-N.M., chairwoman of the House Subcommittee on Technical and Tactical Intelligence, speaks to the media during a press conference on Capitol Hill, Wednesday, Feb. 8, 2006, in Washington. Breaking with the White House, Wilson who chairs the panel that oversees the National Security Agency wants Congress to change a 1978 foreign intelligence law following the disclosure of President George W. Bush's eavesdropping program. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)


3 posted on 02/08/2006 4:13:49 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
Representative Heather WILSON (R)
New Mexico, District 1
2004 Score - 84
Previous Year's Score - 76
Lifetime Score - 83
Years of Service - 7


Hmm. Not exactly a RINO.
4 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:10 PM PST by billybudd
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To: NormsRevenge

My bet is that what was given to the house committee has been tagged so that whoever leaks the information will be known.


5 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:14 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: NormsRevenge

Let's play a game children. Who will be he first moonbat democrat to leak this stuff to the media?


6 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:19 PM PST by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; Mo1; kcvl; Dog

"It's a different program than I was beginning to let myself believe," said Alabama Rep. Bud Cramer, the senior Democrat on the Intelligence Committee's oversight subcommittee. "This may be a valuable program," Cramer said, adding that he didn't know if it was legal. "My direction of thinking was changed tremendously."

We've been TRYING to tell you.

Expect everything they heard to LEAK shortly.

7 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:30 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: NormsRevenge

On 9/11/2001 I wrote my congressman demanding a declaration of war from Congress.

Later, Congress provided an "Authorization for the Use of Force" which is a chickenshit way of avoiding giving power to the Executive Branch.

So now, we have treason occurring and no way to enforce it because we are not at war, we are at "Use of Force". These people (I mean our freakin congresspeople) are helping the enemy and nobody is doing diddly squat about it.

Man does that piss me off!

How pathetic does it get?!??


8 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:39 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: newnhdad

Shall we start the pool now?


9 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:46 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: NormsRevenge
from http://www.acuratings.org/
10 posted on 02/08/2006 4:16:47 PM PST by billybudd
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I pray you are right.


11 posted on 02/08/2006 4:17:06 PM PST by Howlin (Why don't you just report the news, instead of what might be the news? - Donald Rumsfeld 1/25/2006)
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To: NormsRevenge
"This may be a valuable program," Cramer said, adding that he didn't know if it was legal. "My direction of thinking was changed tremendously."

Still, Cramer said, some members remain angry and frustrated, and he didn't know why the White House waited so long to inform Congress of its actions.

Ah, the Mediacrats see the writing on the wall. An orchestrated briefing allows a prominent Democrat to endorse what was legal and necessary while mini-slamming the national defense at the same time.

Brilliant.

Democrats lose again. Another one for Bush and Rove.

12 posted on 02/08/2006 4:17:22 PM PST by TheGeezer
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To: NormsRevenge
"House and Senate and its intelligence committees"

... an oxymoron of an oxymoron. if I ever heard one.

13 posted on 02/08/2006 4:17:46 PM PST by xcamel (One should hope Global Dumbing is reversible.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Details of the program soon to be released in the NY Times.


14 posted on 02/08/2006 4:18:37 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: NormsRevenge
That Wilson woman just weakened US security. Her electorate should be admonished to return her to the civilian employment sector as soon as possible.

I'm sending her opponent a donation.

15 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:16 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: billybudd
Representative Heather WILSON (R) New Mexico, District 1 2004 Score - 84 Previous Year's Score - 76 Lifetime Score - 83 Years of Service - 7 Hmm. Not exactly a RINO.

Heather represents a highly dem district and is facing a tough election this fall. Positioning herself.

16 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:20 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: NormsRevenge

Do we have a list of those who recieved this info?

I am certain we'll need the list.
Loose lips sink ships.


17 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:21 PM PST by onyx
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To: NormsRevenge
Re: ...provided a House committee with highly classified information about the program.

Lets see, what is the over and under on the Dems on the committee leaking to the NYSlimes?

The under is online now and the over is tomorrow morning's edition...

18 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:49 PM PST by Bender2 (Stop doodling around... Read the first three chapters of my Science Fiction novel.)
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To: NormsRevenge
A Republican who wants terrorists to win. FISA is a long range law that after the prep time looks at designated things. NSA was acting on spur of the moment incidents which could be very short-term and immediate threats.

With proper preparation and lead time FISA is used to setup a surveillance to gather evidence. NSA is looking to stop an immediate death.

Good thing she does not represent me cause she lost my vote on one issue. "Public Safety" - she's against it! As well as Specter and the lot of the 'Broken and spinless back Congress"
19 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:53 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: EQAndyBuzz
My bet is that what was given to the house committee has been tagged so that whoever leaks the information will be known.

Please God they had enough brains to do that. I'm sure the NYT is frantically rushing all of the details to print even as I post.

20 posted on 02/08/2006 4:19:59 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: Howlin

Is there a list of those in attendance?

For Starters:
1. It will be a Dem
2. The NY Times or Washington Post will break the "secret."
3. Mr/Ms On-the-Condition-of-Anonimity will be most popular Leaker...or "high White House source." No one will mention whose "white house."


21 posted on 02/08/2006 4:21:23 PM PST by madison10
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To: Wasanother
Details of the program soon to be released in the NY Times.

Unless Al Jazeera scoops them, that is...

22 posted on 02/08/2006 4:21:31 PM PST by Zeppo
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To: madison10
We can be sure every detail disclosed (said and unsaid) is being sifted with a fine tooth comb by an untold number of individuals, organizations, entities and nations all bent on harming the American people and our Nation....excluding of course the quislings and traitors involved in wreaking the legitimate efforts by our President and the NSA among others to defend the "People of the Book" the Christian Nation of the United States of America.

Wm
23 posted on 02/08/2006 4:23:56 PM PST by WLR ("fugit impius nemine persequente iustus autem quasi leo confidens absque terrore erit")
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To: NormsRevenge

Have to wonder if this is another "rope a dope" with some poison pills in it to nail the leakers.


24 posted on 02/08/2006 4:25:49 PM PST by greyfoxx39
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To: NormsRevenge; onyx; Howlin
I guess we wait for further instructions from the NYT. /sarc
25 posted on 02/08/2006 4:25:59 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: TheGeezer
Democrats lose again.

Did they? How many committee aides bolted right out of the hearing room to find a nice quiet place to call their pet "journalists" with all of the details that were revealed in this "classified" briefing? How much more damage will be done to the NSA's terrorist eavesdropping efforts as more details which will reveal names and methods are splashed all over the front pages of the Thursday morning editions?

26 posted on 02/08/2006 4:26:01 PM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: TheGeezer

I think you've got it just about right. The Dims were looking for a face-saving way to get on the right side of this issue, but they couldn't simply give in to Bush or any of the House or Senate leaders. A mostly unknown sub-chairman in the House qualifies for the role.

The only negative is that now we'll be seeing some more classified leaks as a result. Bush and Rove must've calculated that the trade-off is worth the cost.


27 posted on 02/08/2006 4:26:36 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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http://intelligence.house.gov/MemberList.aspx <- Member list

         Name                       Party      State

         Peter Hoekstra             Republican Michigan
         Ray LaHood                 Republican Illinois
         Terry Everett              Republican Alabama
         Elton Gallegly             Republican California
         Heather Wilson             Republican New Mexico
         Jo Ann Davis               Republican Virginia
         Mac Thornberry             Republican Texas
         John McHugh                Republican New York
         Todd Tiahrt                Republican Kansas
         Mike Rogers                Republican Michigan
         Rick Renzi                 Republican Arizona
         Jane Harman                Democrat   California
         Alcee L. Hastings          Democrat   Florida
         Silvestre Reyes            Democrat   Texas
         Leonard L. Boswell         Democrat   Iowa
         Robert E. (Bud) Cramer, Jr Democrat   Alabama
         Anna G. Eshoo              Democrat   California
         Rush D. Holt               Democrat   New Jersey
         C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger   Democrat   Maryland
         John Tierney               Democrat   Massachusetts

28 posted on 02/08/2006 4:26:45 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Zeppo

First off the White House never said they wouldn't reveal details under any circumstances. They said they did not want the details to be exposed, though they now will be, in an open session. They had no problem with a close sessions.


29 posted on 02/08/2006 4:27:02 PM PST by zaggs
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To: EQAndyBuzz
The damage has been done. Any benefit the program may have had has been severely comprimised by the leak to the NYT that the program exists.

The only potential benefit that can be salvaged out of the program is to establish who the leakers were, (I'm betting on Sens. Rockerfeller and/or Leahy), prosecute them to the full extent of the law and throw the fear of instant prison time into those who would comprimise other programs for political gain.

30 posted on 02/08/2006 4:27:26 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Howlin
Expect everything they heard to LEAK shortly.

I'll bet we aren't the only ones who expect this also

31 posted on 02/08/2006 4:28:07 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Howlin

Good, now they will know exactly who to investigate.


32 posted on 02/08/2006 4:28:57 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: NormsRevenge
"...provided a House committee with highly classified information about the program"

Only a matter of time until this is in the NY Times...
33 posted on 02/08/2006 4:29:08 PM PST by Chili Girl
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To: Howlin

This is what happens when the democrats decide that the NYTimes is their master. They believe the lies of the Times....interesting comment from the democrat rep. Just goes to show the NYTimes was lieing all along.


34 posted on 02/08/2006 4:29:44 PM PST by Laverne
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To: HardStarboard
Any benefit the program may have had has been severely comprimised by the leak to the NYT that the program exists.

I still can't figure that one out. Before the program was disclosed, it was legal to conduct surveillance under a secret process with a secret warrant, and the target would never find out.

Now all we know is that secret surveillance can occur without a secret warrant, and the target still never finds out. Where's the beef?

35 posted on 02/08/2006 4:31:11 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: greyfoxx39

"Have to wonder if this is another "rope a dope" with some poison pills in it to nail the leakers."

I was thinking the same thing!


36 posted on 02/08/2006 4:33:55 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Cboldt

Thanks!

Alcee Hastings... LOLOL


proving there is life after impeachment and removal from the federal bench


37 posted on 02/08/2006 4:35:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Laverne
I think the Slime's Risen and his "sources" knew just enough about the existence of the program to make them dangerous but have been trying and lying about the details.
38 posted on 02/08/2006 4:36:51 PM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"I don't think the White House would have made the decision that it did had I not stood up and said, 'You must brief the Intelligence Committee,'" she said."

This woman seems a bit too full of herself.


39 posted on 02/08/2006 4:37:46 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let the leaks begin!

No kidding.

40 posted on 02/08/2006 4:38:58 PM PST by Alien Gunfighter (Singapore Fights Terrorism Better Than the US Does)
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To: headstamp

per her bio, Heather is a Rhodes scholar and first USAF Academy graduate to ever serve in the House.


41 posted on 02/08/2006 4:39:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Makes you think thay WH is daring them and we know the leaks are under investigation.


42 posted on 02/08/2006 4:42:34 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: NormsRevenge
Excellent, I hope it was all worth it to her for political posturing in her difficult re-election bid.
43 posted on 02/08/2006 4:42:51 PM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: muawiyah
That Wilson woman just weakened US security.

You are wrong. Too bad FReepers still cant spot a rope-a-dope in action. There is no need for anyone in Congress to leak anything, because the NY Times already knows every detail of the program. They also know that they will prosecuted if they say anything else about it. The Times has been giving the program's information to other Senators, which is allowing them to nip around the edges of other aspects of the program. There will only be more leaks around mid-to-late October, where they can do the most damage, and should Democrats win control of Congress, they will do all they can to protect the Times from prosecution.

Democrats know they already shot their wad on this one, there wont be any action against Bush, so their new strategy is for them all to sign up to give Bush the authority to do what he is already doing, so that they can all claim to be tough on terrorism.

Unfortunately for Dems, the RNC has video of every single negative quote from Democrats attacking Bush for the NSA program. It is going to be a fun November.

44 posted on 02/08/2006 4:48:06 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: NormsRevenge

So when the Democrats on the committee leak the details of this program to the terrorists, we will know who to credit for "standing up" against the ones protecting us. Thanks Heather.


45 posted on 02/08/2006 4:49:27 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: headstamp
This woman seems a bit too full of herself.

No, that woman is following her script.

46 posted on 02/08/2006 4:50:10 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Then, it's time for a coverup and this Wilson woman must be thoroughly punished lest the details of this elaborate Republican conspiracy leak out.


47 posted on 02/08/2006 4:53:38 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: NormsRevenge
Let the leaks begin!

In 5, 4, 3, 2.........

48 posted on 02/08/2006 4:54:07 PM PST by Libertarian444
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To: NormsRevenge
Democrats and many Republicans rejected the administration's implicit suggestion that they could not be trusted with national security secrets.

I give it less the 24 hours before the administration is proven correct

The leaks will be flying

49 posted on 02/08/2006 4:54:22 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: headstamp
"I don't think the White House would have made the decision that it did had I not stood up and said, 'You must brief the Intelligence Committee,'" she said."

This woman seems a bit too full of herself.

She may be, but she did the right thing. The Administration went into bunker mode once the story broke, which is the wrong thing to do. It's wrong because the story is out, so the damage is already done. Trying to pretend otherwise is as useless as trying to classify the existance of nuclear weapons. The cat's already out of the bag, so trying to pretend otherwise is not only a waste of time, but counterproductive.

It's understandable that the Administration simply wants to circle the wagons, but it won't work. It's no longer an intelligence issue. If they care about our intelligence efforts, then they need to find the leaks, and stomp them. Trying to keep the terrorist surveillance program secret is a lost cause, bother operationally and politically.

50 posted on 02/08/2006 4:55:39 PM PST by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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