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Anticreationism legislation in Wisconsin
National Center for Science Education ^ | 08 February 2006 | Staff

Posted on 02/09/2006 4:08:37 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: CarolinaGuitarman

We're arguing around the same point. Evolution, and ID (the two are not mutually exclusive) are right or wrong regardless of their implications on theism (or atheism).I simply stated that Atheists tend to point to Dawrin's/unguided evolution as support to their conclusions. Atheists couch the logic under the banner of materialism. What they do, or Discovery institute, has no relevance on the validity of their pet theories.


521 posted on 02/11/2006 11:38:13 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Right Wing Professor
RWP, If you don't mind, I would appriciate your professional opinion on the following changes in this law. The intent of the law is obvious. The impact of the law as written and the political fight is not.

SECTION 1. 118.018 of the statutes is created to read:
118.018 Science instruction. The school board shall ensure that any material presented as science within the school curriculum complies with all of the following:

(1) The material is testable as a scientific hypothesis and describes only natural processes.
(2) The material is consistent with any description or definition of science adopted by the National Academy of Sciences.

I struck natural processes in #1, because testable hypothesis covers that completely. There is a complaint from the philosophers that this apriori assumption is unsound. I've often been accused of making that assumption when in fact I did not. It's preferable to have none. I simply rely on the scientific method, which requires a testable hypothesis. It avoids having to address all the voluminous complaints and endless verbiage.

I struck "description", because it is vague and open to abuse by the democrats. In particular the NEA rank and file teachers that wrote that to be vague on purpose. It gives them the tool they need to peddle junk science.

522 posted on 02/11/2006 12:06:05 PM PST by spunkets
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To: Quark2005
I guess it all depends on which passages one chooses to put the emphasis.

Like this??


2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

;^)

523 posted on 02/11/2006 4:57:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: spunkets
(1) The material is testable as a scientific hypothesis and describes only natural processes. (2) The material is consistent with any description or definition of science adopted by the National Academy of Sciences.

In 1, I see no problem with the requirement that science only describe natural processes. Science was after all once known as natural philosophy. I can think of nothing in science that describes anything that isn't a natural process.

I agree with your striking 'description' in definition 2. It's vague in the extreme.

524 posted on 02/11/2006 7:48:27 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Elsie
All Scripture is God-breathed and ...

What is 'scripture', and who decides it ?

Is the 'Book of Enoch' scripture?
What about 'Egyptians', or 'Gospel of Thomas', or 'Gospel of Peter' or the 'Gospel of Mary [Magdalene]'?

Scripture or not?

525 posted on 02/12/2006 7:44:59 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: balrog666
Impressed placemarker.

Oh.... Thank you.

526 posted on 02/12/2006 8:36:41 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

You're welcome. ;^)


527 posted on 02/12/2006 8:41:32 AM PST by balrog666 (Irrational beliefs inspire irrational acts.)
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To: Cvengr

"A false theory is a theory nonetheless."

You're full of it. If a theory is shown to be "false", it is discarded. You know that so quit playing. A false theory can only remain a theory historically like geocentrism. It certainly is no longer a theory once it is defrocked and tossed on the scrap heap.

We are talking scientific theories here, but, again, you know that.


528 posted on 02/12/2006 10:37:02 AM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: dread78645
I guess one could fret a long time over what was left OUT of the collection of writings we know as the bible, but, what about the things that are included?

Should THEY be viewed as correct?

529 posted on 02/12/2006 12:45:24 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: furball4paws

Your theory of how theories are discarded is false, but it remains a theory, nonetheless.


530 posted on 02/12/2006 1:28:12 PM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Elsie
I guess one could fret a long time over what was left OUT of the collection of writings we know as the bible, but, what about the things that are included?

Should THEY be viewed as correct?

No fretting here. To honestly answer the first (my) question answers the second (your) question.

Is 'Enoch', 'Egyptians', 'Thomas', or 'Gospel of Mary' scripture?
Why or why not?

531 posted on 02/13/2006 1:26:46 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: dread78645

I'm sure you can google "where we got our bible from" and get a MUCH better answer than I could.


532 posted on 02/13/2006 6:33:54 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie
I'm sure you can google "where we got our bible from" and get a MUCH better answer than I could.

Craw-fishing (thx, Pres. Bush) away from the issue duly noted.

533 posted on 02/13/2006 1:08:37 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: dread78645
Wanting to argue about discuss stuff over which we have no control; noted as well.
534 posted on 02/13/2006 1:38:17 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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