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Stryker Light Sales Soar in Europe
StrategyPage ^ | February 9, 2006

Posted on 02/09/2006 4:43:25 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

Yet another European nation is replacing its Cold War era armored vehicles, with wheeled vehicles similar to the American Stryker. Belgium has ordered 241 Piranha IIIC vehicles. This vehicle is based on the Piranha III LAV, long used by the U.S. Marines. These vehicles were designed by Mowag of Switzerland, a company now owned by General Dynamics. The 14 ton, 8x8 vehicle has a maximum road speed of 100 kilometers an hour. Belgium is getting several variants of the vehicle, (99 infantry carriers, 32 armed with a 30-mm autocannon, 40 with a 90-mm cannon., 24 command vehicles, 12 ambulances, 17 recovery and repair, and 18 engineer vehicles.) Deliveries begin late next year. These vehicles cost about a million dollars each. This is much cheaper than the U.S. Stryker (which go for about $1.8 million each), and has raised questions if the additional features (sensors and computers) in the Stryker are worth the cost. The troops using Stryker are very much in favor of a vehicle they "boot up" instead of start up. Since the European wheeled armored vehicles are unlikely to see combat, the controversy will continue.


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KEYWORDS: stryker; wheeledarmor
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242 MOWAG PIRANHA IIIC 8x8 Vehicles for Belgium
1 posted on 02/09/2006 4:43:28 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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Piranha III 8x8
2 posted on 02/09/2006 4:46:14 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

"Since the European wheeled armored vehicles are unlikely to see combat.."

I would have never considered this--but it's the truth.


3 posted on 02/09/2006 4:50:00 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: toddlintown

unlikely to see combat.."

Why should they when EU can depend on the US to do the fighting and save their arse.


4 posted on 02/09/2006 4:54:45 AM PST by TUX
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5 posted on 02/09/2006 4:54:50 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: toddlintown
Czechs to Buy 199 Pandur II APCS for $1 billion
6 posted on 02/09/2006 5:11:35 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Prepping for Muslim uprising I see?


7 posted on 02/09/2006 5:13:12 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Damn, does General Dynamics have a lock on this market, or what?


8 posted on 02/09/2006 5:15:54 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Vetvoice; archy; cavtrooper21; centurion316; colorado tanker; Darksheare; exnavy; 1stFreedom; ...

Stryker Brigade Combat Team Tactical Studies Group (Chairborne)


9 posted on 02/09/2006 5:18:40 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
"Main vehicle sub-systems include the CMI 90mm Turret, the ELBIT 30mm Overhead Weapon Station, the FN Herstal ARROWS 12,7mm Overhead Weapon Station, all with OIP electro-optical aiming Systems, the THALES Belgium Communication System, Threat detection Systems for Lasers and Small Arms (OIP) and the Pearson Surface Mine Plough and Dozer Blade. A main focus was paid by MOWAG to offer a product with high commonality and compatibility within the AIV fleet itself, other vehicles of the Belgium Army and NATO countries."

Kitted out nicely with Euro OEM additions. Everybody wins in this contract.

10 posted on 02/09/2006 5:23:04 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
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To: 1rudeboy
General Dynamics Land Systems

General Dynamics Santa Bárbara Sistemas

MOWAG

Steyr-Daimler-Puch Spezial- fahrzeug GmbH

11 posted on 02/09/2006 5:31:46 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Khurkris

12 posted on 02/09/2006 5:36:40 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: toddlintown
re :"Since the European wheeled armored vehicles are unlikely to see combat..

Apart from those European nations with contingents in Afghanistan and Iraq

13 posted on 02/09/2006 5:40:22 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Khurkris

14 posted on 02/09/2006 5:45:49 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Khurkris

15 posted on 02/09/2006 5:50:23 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: F16Fighter

That was my first thought. The LAV III would seem to be an excellent police vehicle for crowd control. Much higher utility for a European nation than a true tank.


16 posted on 02/09/2006 5:55:28 AM PST by Tallguy (When it's a bet between reality and delusion, bet on reality -- Mark Steyn)
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To: toddlintown

Certainly doesn't apply to the British Army which is currently deployed in over 80 countries:

http://www.army.mod.uk/deployments/index.htm

Using this kit:

http://army2.mod.uk/CHS/index1.html


17 posted on 02/09/2006 5:59:36 AM PST by albionvectis
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

What can the one do that the other can't?

18 posted on 02/09/2006 6:10:52 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Hide successfully in sand? :D

If you are interested in photos of current conflicts and equipment, this page is well worth browsing:

http://www.defenceimagedatabase.mod.uk/fotoweb/


19 posted on 02/09/2006 6:18:38 AM PST by albionvectis
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To: albionvectis

Hello Freepers: I work for a freight forwarder that ships military vehicles to the middle east. Can anyone here sugeest any ideas or point me in the right direction where I could pursue more business like this? This post is fantastic by the way!


20 posted on 02/09/2006 6:22:07 AM PST by FreeManWhoCan (---an American with Cuban genes in Miami.............)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Interesting General Dynamics also aquired the military arm of Colt Firearms as well and is introducing a new piston driven monolithic rail upper receiver system for the M-16 family of long guns...

This AM at SHOT SHOW '06 in Las Vegas..

21 posted on 02/09/2006 6:31:43 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The 14 ton, 8x8 vehicle has a maximum road speed of 100 kilometers an hour.

14 tons going over 60 mph. Don’t get in its way.
22 posted on 02/09/2006 6:35:32 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: FreeManWhoCan
Contact the Military Surface Deployment and Distribution Command (SDDC) business office. You can find them on the web.
23 posted on 02/09/2006 6:39:00 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("How'd you get that scar, mister?" "Nicked myself shaving.")
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To: toddlintown

24 posted on 02/09/2006 7:17:40 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Re #15: I always get a chuckle at how clean and nicely painted those "arms show" photos are. In real life they get a "bit" dirty and dinged up!


25 posted on 02/09/2006 7:49:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: tonycavanagh
re :"Since the European wheeled armored vehicles are unlikely to see combat..

Apart from those European nations with contingents in Afghanistan and Iraq

There's always the liklihood of Kosovo kicking up again, mate.


26 posted on 02/09/2006 10:31:22 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4


27 posted on 02/09/2006 10:34:09 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: R. Scott
14 tons going over 60 mph.

On axles meant for ten tons.

28 posted on 02/09/2006 10:35:40 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: FreeManWhoCan
Hello Freepers: I work for a freight forwarder that ships military vehicles to the middle east. Can anyone here sugeest any ideas or point me in the right direction where I could pursue more business like this? This post is fantastic by the way!

You might nose around here. Some of these folks have transport requirements in your line.

29 posted on 02/09/2006 10:47:30 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
What can the one do that the other can't?


30 posted on 02/09/2006 10:54:44 AM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy

31 posted on 02/09/2006 11:08:38 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: archy

Watch our for the pot holes?


32 posted on 02/09/2006 12:17:42 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: archy
Watch our for the pot holes?

Make that -
Watch out for the pot holes?
33 posted on 02/09/2006 12:18:54 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: tonycavanagh; toddlintown
Mr. Cavanagh,

Please accept my apologies for toddlintown. The reality over here is that most of us do not see England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales as "European". France is European. Britain has always been sui generis and has always gone her own way. May she always.

Myself, I am repelled by the Brussels government and most of the French "intelligentsia".

Your post first puzzled me. "But Tony is English!!" my mind protested.
34 posted on 02/10/2006 1:02:22 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: albionvectis

Please accept my apology for my countryman. Please include yourself as addressee of my #34.


35 posted on 02/10/2006 1:05:09 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: joesnuffy
This "piston driven" design - does it keep powder debris out of the receiver? That darn gas tube into the bolt carrier business is just awful in my experience.
36 posted on 02/10/2006 1:13:41 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: archy

ZSU-57-2

Old anti-aircraft system. No radar. 2 x s-60s mounted in an open turret. Hell against ground targets though.


37 posted on 02/10/2006 1:38:00 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: archy

LAPES, second scariest thing you can do in a one thirty.


38 posted on 02/10/2006 1:38:56 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

BTR-70, not even in the same class as the LAV or Stryker family. You can find these rust buckets all over eastern europe and the middle east. Seen a bunch as 'parts' in Iraq summer '03. Best use for them.


39 posted on 02/10/2006 1:40:32 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Iris7

Actually, you're right. I do look at England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales as...well, I guess, Britain, and don't make the connection of them to "the continent," that is, Europe.

I've been called on this 1/2 dozen times so far.


40 posted on 02/10/2006 6:21:50 AM PST by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Iris7
Some debate on verticle stringing when the gas piston weapon gets hot...

However today in America we got some nice choices...Colt (gas piston), Leitner-Wise gas piston,SIG 556 gas piston,POF gas piston,and FNs SCAR and FN2000 program...maybe even Robinson Arms..Wouldn't be surprised to see LaRue Tacitcal and LMT enter this arena as well..at least in the monolithic upper dept as did VLTOR..

Steyr Aug may now be built in Mississippi...(if they quit selling sniper rifles to Iran)

There is still lots of room for DI gas systems like the AR family..mine ran just fine throughout a Monsoon season many years ago..9ID/MRF..

SHOT show is presenting piston driven 308,6.8SPC,556, and maybe 6.5 Grendel..(wolf ammo Gold will be arriving this spring)

Give it a few months to shake out the ones that have problems is my advice...but get on a list for the one or more you may want :)

-imo

41 posted on 02/10/2006 11:48:56 AM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit our sister..but we knew just what to do...we gathered rocks and squashed her!)
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To: toddlintown

Yeah, I bet you have.

For some reason some people across the ocean are beginning to think they are part of "Europe" just because they have been barraged by propaganda. "Let us all bow down to Brussels, let us all bow down to the superior and gracious French." The Germans have sure gone for this stuff.

Makes you wonder if that old crypto-racist insult is true - "The Germans are either at your throat or at your feet." Bet your bottom dollar that the French big shots think that the Germans are beneath contempt.


42 posted on 02/10/2006 12:07:19 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: truemiester
You get a No Go at this station. That is not a BTR-70.

Having established your level of expertise, are there any other eggs you would like to teach me to suck?

43 posted on 02/10/2006 3:42:39 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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The Winning Order

44 posted on 02/11/2006 2:05:27 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

KLUNK!
Thank you for pointing this out to me. (IS my face red?)
BTR-60.

I will hang my anti-tank head in shame!


45 posted on 02/11/2006 2:40:35 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: truemiester
TAB-77

In 1960 Romania develops the armored troop transport TAB-71, a modified version of the BTR-60. It was followed by the model TAB-77 that is based on the Russian model of wheeled armored vehicle BTR-70. The vehicle is equipped with a locally constructed turret and motor. The gasoline engine of the BTR-70 was replaced by a Diesel motor manufactured locally. The vehicle commander and the driver sit as in the previous vehicle, just behind them is placed a single-seat turret armed with a machine gun of 14.5 mm and a machine gun of 7.62 mm. The turret totates 360° and can budge in elevation - 5° to 85°. The TAB-77 is completely amphibious, it is propelled in the water thanks to a hydrojet.

46 posted on 02/13/2006 4:06:55 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

I have responded to you on another threat.
Replacing the MOGAS engine with a desiel would appear to be a nor brainer. (Seen a MOGAS powered M-114 burn to ash once). Enjoy this, have been out a few years but will always learn from those who teach.


47 posted on 02/13/2006 5:20:32 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: truemiester
LAPES, second scariest thing you can do in a one thirty.

A couple of other possibilities come to mind. One involves water bombing of forest fires, which in the past has caused ex-USAF B-model birds bailed to contractors to snap their wings off.

The other involves the Golden Knights.

48 posted on 02/13/2006 1:15:34 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: archy

Except, hopefully, we'll be shooting the Islamists this time.


49 posted on 02/13/2006 1:19:37 PM PST by farlander
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To: archy

Yeah, I remember seeing the videos. I was sitting in the C-130 Ops counter when it came on. We used to fly B models. They were dragged off the desert made some what flyable and given to us to rebuild (maintainer training as we used to fly RF-4C's) then we flew the wings off them. They were in such great shapw when we got our H2 models that they were sold overseas. Our first B was an old satellite retriever from the 'Corona' missions. All the old radars and recovery equipment was long gone but the patches showed where it used to be.
The B had longer legs and was slightly faster than the E model which is still used in the active and reserves ( not guard).
Sad ti see the old girl auger in. Broken main wing spar. the wings literally fell off. God bless the crew and thier familys.


50 posted on 02/14/2006 12:26:55 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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