Skip to comments.Happy Ashura, Everybody!
Posted on 02/09/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by bikepacker67
What a quaint little tradition these moon cultist have, eh?
We can not be expected to share this world with such barbarians. Islam MUST BE DEFEATED.
child abuse by any other name.
the poor kids look so bemused....
How precious. Nothing like some good family time with the kids.
Ah, so now you know why "moderate" Muslims don't protest Islamic violence! They are all friggin' immune to empathy right from day one.
Islam Terroists MUST BE DEFEATED.
I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be.
They can all kiss my Ashura!......
Well raise my rent and beat me silly. I just love Ashura!
Earlier Ashura post:
Those pictures might be disturbing, but there are traditions all around the world that are just as bad. Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders.
We didn't "seek out" moderate Nazis at the end of WWII, we relied on systematic Denazification.
Good point. We must choose our battles wisely.
Good luck with your plan, dude!
Clearly demonic. "Better a millstone around their necks and thrown into the sea".
I don't even have the words to respond to this insanity. I just pray the Europeans and the Democrat Party wake up sooner than later.
Absolutely. Female circumcision for instance. And we're going to stamp that out as well.
It will come to pass one way or another.
The drums are getting louder.
Yes but you don't actually drink the 'Blood of Christ' do you? You drink wine that has been transmogrified or represents the Blood of Chirst!
I don't think we're trying to destroy the Thuggee religion of the Death God Kali, nutty as it may be.
No, wait, we are. And the same goes for any Deathcult.
Catholics (I am not Catholic) believe that you drink that actual blood of Christ, and eat his actual body.
"I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be."
Please reconsider your stance.
It seems you have western sensiblities. Assuming you do, the idea of destroying a "religion" is foreign, and somewhat disturbing.
islam is destructive. Look at the retarded culture it produces. Retarded in terms of technology, retarded in terms of personal liberties. They truely are 7th century beings.
Most things that are destructive, we try to eliminate. If we said, destroy cancer, you'd think that was good. If we said, destroy poverty, you'd like that. If we say destroy islam... you may want to consider what that actually means.
islam is a death cult, cloaked in the garb of a religion.
Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders.
Sorry, in my church we drink WINE.
"Absolutely. Female circumcision for instance. And we're going to stamp that out as well."
Yea, and I believe that comes from the same religion of peace, if I am not mistaken.
I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper. The priest doesn't slit his wrist and add real blood to the wine!
Interesting to note that observation of this holiday was banned under Saddam Hussein, and those who practiced it were punished by his regime.
Funny old world sometimes, isn't it?
Circumcision has a medical basis and is performed by medical professionals, and I have never heard of ANYONE drinking the blood of Christ, since he died millenia ago. These people in the pictures aren't "figuratively" inflicting trauma on their children.
"I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be."
Why not? It wouldn't be any loss to the world. In fact, it would make the world a a better place 'til another stupid religion got hold of a billion people.
I am no fan of Islam, and especially the terrorist branch of it, but this "celebration" is not the right sticking point. If we base a judgement of Islam on one festival, we must also bring judgement on a religion that requires its adherents to cut the foreskin from young children as a sign of faith.
Better to concentrate on the spreading wave of violent protests, hate being preached in mosques, terror attacks, holy book filled with calls for subjugation of other faiths, etc., than on expressions of faith that have counterparts in almost every culture.
Circumcising male children, while it sounds (or even looks) bad, is done at a time when the child will feel the least pain, and at the point in time (the 8th day of life) when the body is prepared to heal as rapidly as possible. Further, it offers tremendous health benefits later on (chief among which is a lesser chance of penile cancer and a far lower rate of infection by STDs). All for a "barbaric" religious ritual.
How precious. Nothing like some good family time with the kids.
Yes we do. And that has caused us to be persecuted down through the ages. Others say we are "Cookie Worshippers".
Saddam banned it because it is practiced by Shiites, and he didn't want them getting together too much, as they would probably start talking about the fact that he was committing mass murder on them and try to do something about it. Funny indeed.
"Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders."
Great. Let's go for moral equivalence... not.
Circumcision, while I would agree it's brutal, has in it's roots a concern for cleanliness. It doesn't affect the child's function, and it is easier to keep clean. In past, less clean times, it was not necessarily a bad thing.
Drinking the blood of Christ is completely figurative. That's why one needs to be schooled in the religion. It's not meant to be actual, it's wine. It's just a way to take Christ into you, to be filled with Christ. I understand that you're trying to make a point that the visualization may be considered somewhat violent. But you didn't really have the concept. Think, it may be the yin/yang concept, how can one really know good without evil, tranquility without violence, etc.
However, I defy you to show me the good in beheading.
I have heard stories of Rabbis who circumcise babies with thir teeth. In fact there are a couple of FReepers who have had their children circumcised this way.
My point is that no matter how strange a custom may seem to you, you yourself have customs that seem just as strange to someone else.
NO! It Is The True Body, Not A Symbol! Besides if it was just symbolic we'd be giving the children wine and they'd shut us down PRONTO.
"I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper. The priest doesn't slit his wrist and add real blood to the wine!"
Ahem - - - It's not "representative" in Catholic Church doctrine. In fact, you are apostate if you hold such a Protestant belief!
You are required to believe that it is His blood and His flesh you are drinking and eating. That's what millions of Christians were slaughtered about in the late middle ages and Renaissance. They didn't believe it, so they were called "heretics"..
Then again, FEMALE circumcision is just a valid religious choice among so many others.
If you believe that you are a heretic.
You don't drink wine, you drink the Blood of the living Christ under the appearance of wine, and you eat his living Body under the appearance of bread. The word "host" comes from the Latin word meaning "victim", BTW.
I don't really see what connection Catholic beliefs regarding Holy Communion have with slicing open a baby's head and letting the blood run down his face, however. Catholics (contrary to the false representations some of our enemies make about us) do not believe Christ is being injured, killed, or "re-sacrificed" when the Mass is offered.
"Millions of Christians" were not slaughtered by anyone, at any time, for any reason, in the late middle ages and Renaissance. Try reading a history not written by Jack Chick, Jimmy Swaggart, or John Foxe.
The only thing that killed millions of Christians in that timeframe was the Black Death, which didn't really discriminate much in matters of theology.
Since we are celebrating I'm gonna be busy flogging myself until I vomit blood. C'mon everyone party like it's 1099!
My point was that this Shi'ite custom seems strange, but you also may have customs that others see as just as strange. Don't judge or condemn an entire sect or religion based on a strange custom.
I stand corrected. It's been a long time since I've been to Mass.
You know you are screwed when a culture is so debased that Mothers do this kind of crap to their own babies, including sending them off to be suicide cultists.
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