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Happy Ashura, Everybody!
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Posted on 02/09/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by bikepacker67

What a quaint little tradition these moon cultist have, eh?

We can not be expected to share this world with such barbarians. Islam MUST BE DEFEATED.


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1 posted on 02/09/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by bikepacker67
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To: bikepacker67

child abuse by any other name.

the poor kids look so bemused....


2 posted on 02/09/2006 7:40:34 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: bikepacker67

Thats insane!


3 posted on 02/09/2006 7:41:09 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: bikepacker67

Thats insane!


4 posted on 02/09/2006 7:41:11 AM PST by Steveone (Liberalism is a brain tumor!)
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To: bikepacker67

How precious. Nothing like some good family time with the kids.


5 posted on 02/09/2006 7:41:27 AM PST by mlbford2 (I love my Semis, but for me they are for the range. My life is protected by my S&W revolver.)
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To: bikepacker67

Ah, so now you know why "moderate" Muslims don't protest Islamic violence! They are all friggin' immune to empathy right from day one.


6 posted on 02/09/2006 7:41:47 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: bikepacker67
Islam MUST BE DEFEATED.

Islam Terroists MUST BE DEFEATED.

I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be.

7 posted on 02/09/2006 7:41:50 AM PST by SquirrelKing (Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.)
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To: bikepacker67

They can all kiss my Ashura!......


8 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:15 AM PST by Red Badger (...Never forget, Jimmy Carter can be elected president AGAIN!........)
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To: bikepacker67

Well raise my rent and beat me silly. I just love Ashura!


9 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:24 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: bikepacker67
So they're lousy barbers, that doesn't mean their bad people....everyone knows it's easier to use scissors! Image hosting by Photobucket
10 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:41 AM PST by stm (It's possible to fix most things, but you can't fix stupid)
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To: bikepacker67
Barbarians ....
11 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:47 AM PST by Centurion2000 (If the USA was the Roman Empire, Islam would have ceased to be a problem on 9/12/2001)
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To: bikepacker67
Repeat - all cultures are equal - strength through diversity - multiculturalism is best...
12 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:51 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: bikepacker67

Earlier Ashura post:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574992/posts


13 posted on 02/09/2006 7:42:52 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: bikepacker67

Those pictures might be disturbing, but there are traditions all around the world that are just as bad. Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders.


14 posted on 02/09/2006 7:43:25 AM PST by conserv13
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To: bikepacker67

15 posted on 02/09/2006 7:43:38 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: SquirrelKing
I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be.

That's bull.

We didn't "seek out" moderate Nazis at the end of WWII, we relied on systematic Denazification.

16 posted on 02/09/2006 7:43:48 AM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: SquirrelKing
I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be.

Good point. We must choose our battles wisely.

17 posted on 02/09/2006 7:46:00 AM PST by najida (Going through my second childhood for the third time.)
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To: bikepacker67

Good luck with your plan, dude!


18 posted on 02/09/2006 7:47:09 AM PST by SquirrelKing (Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.)
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To: vimto

Clearly demonic. "Better a millstone around their necks and thrown into the sea".


19 posted on 02/09/2006 7:47:29 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: bikepacker67

I don't even have the words to respond to this insanity. I just pray the Europeans and the Democrat Party wake up sooner than later.


20 posted on 02/09/2006 7:47:36 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: conserv13
Those pictures might be disturbing, but there are traditions all around the world that are just as bad.

Absolutely. Female circumcision for instance. And we're going to stamp that out as well.

21 posted on 02/09/2006 7:47:58 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: SquirrelKing
Good luck with your plan, dude!

It will come to pass one way or another.
The drums are getting louder.

22 posted on 02/09/2006 7:48:52 AM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: conserv13
Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders.

Yes but you don't actually drink the 'Blood of Christ' do you? You drink wine that has been transmogrified or represents the Blood of Chirst!

23 posted on 02/09/2006 7:50:38 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: SquirrelKing
I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be.

I don't think we're trying to destroy the Thuggee religion of the Death God Kali, nutty as it may be.

No, wait, we are. And the same goes for any Deathcult.

24 posted on 02/09/2006 7:50:52 AM PST by agere_contra
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To: Rummyfan

Catholics (I am not Catholic) believe that you drink that actual blood of Christ, and eat his actual body.


25 posted on 02/09/2006 7:52:08 AM PST by conserv13
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To: SquirrelKing

"I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be."

Please reconsider your stance.
It seems you have western sensiblities. Assuming you do, the idea of destroying a "religion" is foreign, and somewhat disturbing.
islam is destructive. Look at the retarded culture it produces. Retarded in terms of technology, retarded in terms of personal liberties. They truely are 7th century beings.
Most things that are destructive, we try to eliminate. If we said, destroy cancer, you'd think that was good. If we said, destroy poverty, you'd like that. If we say destroy islam... you may want to consider what that actually means.

islam is a death cult, cloaked in the garb of a religion.


26 posted on 02/09/2006 7:52:11 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: conserv13

Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders.

Sorry, in my church we drink WINE.


27 posted on 02/09/2006 7:52:23 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: agere_contra

"Absolutely. Female circumcision for instance. And we're going to stamp that out as well."

Yea, and I believe that comes from the same religion of peace, if I am not mistaken.


28 posted on 02/09/2006 7:52:41 AM PST by DonaldC
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To: conserv13

I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper. The priest doesn't slit his wrist and add real blood to the wine!


29 posted on 02/09/2006 7:54:33 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: bikepacker67

Interesting to note that observation of this holiday was banned under Saddam Hussein, and those who practiced it were punished by his regime.

Funny old world sometimes, isn't it?


30 posted on 02/09/2006 7:55:12 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: conserv13
Those pictures might be disturbing, but there are traditions all around the world that are just as bad. Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders

Circumcision has a medical basis and is performed by medical professionals, and I have never heard of ANYONE drinking the blood of Christ, since he died millenia ago. These people in the pictures aren't "figuratively" inflicting trauma on their children.

31 posted on 02/09/2006 7:55:16 AM PST by Lekker 1 ("Computers in the future may have only 1000 vacuum tubes..." - Popular Mechanics, March 1949)
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To: SquirrelKing

"I share your shock and anger but I don't think we're trying to destroy a religion, nutty as it may be."

Why not? It wouldn't be any loss to the world. In fact, it would make the world a a better place 'til another stupid religion got hold of a billion people.


32 posted on 02/09/2006 7:55:58 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: bikepacker67

I am no fan of Islam, and especially the terrorist branch of it, but this "celebration" is not the right sticking point. If we base a judgement of Islam on one festival, we must also bring judgement on a religion that requires its adherents to cut the foreskin from young children as a sign of faith.

Better to concentrate on the spreading wave of violent protests, hate being preached in mosques, terror attacks, holy book filled with calls for subjugation of other faiths, etc., than on expressions of faith that have counterparts in almost every culture.


33 posted on 02/09/2006 7:56:12 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: conserv13
Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders

Circumcising male children, while it sounds (or even looks) bad, is done at a time when the child will feel the least pain, and at the point in time (the 8th day of life) when the body is prepared to heal as rapidly as possible. Further, it offers tremendous health benefits later on (chief among which is a lesser chance of penile cancer and a far lower rate of infection by STDs). All for a "barbaric" religious ritual.

34 posted on 02/09/2006 7:57:13 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: mlbford2

How precious. Nothing like some good family time with the kids.

Quality time............


35 posted on 02/09/2006 7:57:41 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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To: conserv13

Yes we do. And that has caused us to be persecuted down through the ages. Others say we are "Cookie Worshippers".


36 posted on 02/09/2006 7:58:15 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: linda_22003
Interesting to note that observation of this holiday was banned under Saddam Hussein, and those who practiced it were punished by his regime. Funny old world sometimes, isn't it?

Saddam banned it because it is practiced by Shiites, and he didn't want them getting together too much, as they would probably start talking about the fact that he was committing mass murder on them and try to do something about it. Funny indeed.

37 posted on 02/09/2006 7:58:44 AM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: conserv13

"Circumcising male children and having children drink the blood of Christ are two traditions that might be seen as barbaric or strange to outsiders."

Great. Let's go for moral equivalence... not.

Circumcision, while I would agree it's brutal, has in it's roots a concern for cleanliness. It doesn't affect the child's function, and it is easier to keep clean. In past, less clean times, it was not necessarily a bad thing.

Drinking the blood of Christ is completely figurative. That's why one needs to be schooled in the religion. It's not meant to be actual, it's wine. It's just a way to take Christ into you, to be filled with Christ. I understand that you're trying to make a point that the visualization may be considered somewhat violent. But you didn't really have the concept. Think, it may be the yin/yang concept, how can one really know good without evil, tranquility without violence, etc.

However, I defy you to show me the good in beheading.


38 posted on 02/09/2006 7:59:30 AM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: Rummyfan; Lekker 1
Look up 'transubstantiation'. Catholics believe that the wine and host are transformed and that you are receiving the actual 'body and blood of Christ'.

I have heard stories of Rabbis who circumcise babies with thir teeth. In fact there are a couple of FReepers who have had their children circumcised this way.

My point is that no matter how strange a custom may seem to you, you yourself have customs that seem just as strange to someone else.

39 posted on 02/09/2006 7:59:47 AM PST by conserv13
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To: Rummyfan

NO! It Is The True Body, Not A Symbol! Besides if it was just symbolic we'd be giving the children wine and they'd shut us down PRONTO.


40 posted on 02/09/2006 7:59:53 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: Rummyfan

"I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper. The priest doesn't slit his wrist and add real blood to the wine!"

Ahem - - - It's not "representative" in Catholic Church doctrine. In fact, you are apostate if you hold such a Protestant belief!

You are required to believe that it is His blood and His flesh you are drinking and eating. That's what millions of Christians were slaughtered about in the late middle ages and Renaissance. They didn't believe it, so they were called "heretics"..


41 posted on 02/09/2006 7:59:53 AM PST by RoadTest (- - Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit. - Isaiah 27:6b)
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To: Lekker 1

Then again, FEMALE circumcision is just a valid religious choice among so many others.


42 posted on 02/09/2006 8:00:46 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Enemy Idealogies: Pacifism, Liberalism, and Feminism, Islamic Supremacism)
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To: Rummyfan
I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper.

If you believe that you are a heretic.

43 posted on 02/09/2006 8:01:09 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: Fred Hayek
The woman is smiling - happy to be cutting her kid.

The role of the demonic in Islam is under emphasized. The Hajj was taken over virtually lock, stock and barrel I'm told from paganism. Abraham certainly had nothing to do with it as they claim (he was saved by grace not tomfoolery pilgrimages).

Can you imagine sitting around making a religion up....
"shall we slash up he kids?"

"yeah, good idea!"


kind regards,
44 posted on 02/09/2006 8:01:35 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: Rummyfan
I am Catholic, yet I actually drink 'wine' and eat a sanctified 'host'. It's representative you know, and based on Jesus' words to his disciples at the Last Supper. The priest doesn't slit his wrist and add real blood to the wine!

You don't drink wine, you drink the Blood of the living Christ under the appearance of wine, and you eat his living Body under the appearance of bread. The word "host" comes from the Latin word meaning "victim", BTW.

I don't really see what connection Catholic beliefs regarding Holy Communion have with slicing open a baby's head and letting the blood run down his face, however. Catholics (contrary to the false representations some of our enemies make about us) do not believe Christ is being injured, killed, or "re-sacrificed" when the Mass is offered.

45 posted on 02/09/2006 8:01:46 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: RoadTest
That's what millions of Christians were slaughtered about in the late middle ages and Renaissance.

"Millions of Christians" were not slaughtered by anyone, at any time, for any reason, in the late middle ages and Renaissance. Try reading a history not written by Jack Chick, Jimmy Swaggart, or John Foxe.

The only thing that killed millions of Christians in that timeframe was the Black Death, which didn't really discriminate much in matters of theology.

46 posted on 02/09/2006 8:03:54 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: bikepacker67

Since we are celebrating I'm gonna be busy flogging myself until I vomit blood. C'mon everyone party like it's 1099!


47 posted on 02/09/2006 8:05:14 AM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: Campion
I don't really see what connection Catholic beliefs regarding Holy Communion have with slicing open a baby's head and letting the blood run down his face, however

My point was that this Shi'ite custom seems strange, but you also may have customs that others see as just as strange. Don't judge or condemn an entire sect or religion based on a strange custom.

48 posted on 02/09/2006 8:05:38 AM PST by conserv13
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To: RoadTest; frogjerk

I stand corrected. It's been a long time since I've been to Mass.


49 posted on 02/09/2006 8:05:50 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: bikepacker67

You know you are screwed when a culture is so debased that Mothers do this kind of crap to their own babies, including sending them off to be suicide cultists.


50 posted on 02/09/2006 8:06:19 AM PST by blasater1960 ( Ishmaelites...Still a wild-ass of a people....)
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