Skip to comments.A young Winston Churchill analyses Islam
Posted on 02/09/2006 9:30:39 AM PST by Neville72
Sir Winston S. Churchill -- the same man who would go on to lead the free world through its darkest hours during the second world war -- tells the tale of the Anglo-Egyptian reconquest of the Sudan. It isn't just an account of the battles and the politics; it's the story of the destiny of the people of the region: Churchill with his powerful insight tells the the war changed the fates of England, Egypt, and the Arabian peoples in northeast Africa.
Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green | 1899
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism[72 virgins, I'm assuming] deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome."
The memory of the Wahabaist massacre of a British force in Sudan must have impressed him.
Thanks for the post... best thing I've read all day... Europe could use the likes of Churchill right now thats for sure.
The American Democrat Party is a close second.
Perhaps one day soon neither will exist.
Sir Winston wasn't PC thats for sure. I just wish we had someone who would read this critique of Islam on the news. I heard Victor Davis Hansen give a similiar critique a couple of weeks ago but I wish we had a statesman in office who could take a stand like this.
I don't think so. More likely, he was referring to folks who sit around for hours daily, chewing khat, smoking, drinking coffee, etc.
The disadvantage of being a statesman in office is that "taking a stand like this" necessarily includes having to commit diplomatic and/or military resources to back up your words.
The advantage of VDH or Churchill (who at the time was primarily a pundit) is that they can say these things, but don't have to back them up with action; the best they can hope for is to convince a "statesman in office" to commit troops.
You're quite welcome. I read everything of Churchill's that I can get my hands on and I never seem to get enough. He's a master of the language---both written and spoken.
Mohammed Ahmed believed he was the Mahdi because he had a space between his teeth. Good movies on this are Khartoum and The Four Feathers. Check out the old Colonel in The Four Feathers. He was the basis for Commander McBragg.
"I just wish we had someone who would read this critique of Islam on the news."
And THAT is the problem. Like it or not most of America is still informed by the MSM. Until the crazy muzzi-kazis start knocking off members of the MSM, we'll continue to hear slanted stories that tell us how it's all the west's fault, and that muslims are simply oppressed peace lovers.
Thanks for posting. I have been meaning to read The River War for some time. Now I simply must.
"It seems to me a certainty that the fatalistic teachings of Mohammed and the utter degradation of the Arab women are the outstanding causes for the arrested development of the Arab. He is exactly as he was around the year 700, while we have been developing."
General George S. Patton
Here's another bit of Churchillian wisdom and oratory for the ages and still applicable today, this time delivered in Fulton, Missouri in 1946 and warning of a different foe.
"The United States stands at this time at the pinnacle of world power. It is a solemn moment for the American democracy. For with this primacy in power is also joined an awe-inspiring accountability to the future. As you look around you, you must feel not only the sense of duty done, but also you must feel anxiety lest you fall below the level of achievement. Opportunity is here now, clear and shining, for both our countries. To reject it or ignore it or fritter it away will bring upon us all the long reproaches of the aftertime.
It is necessary that constancy of mind, persistency of purpose, and the grand simplicity of decision shall rule and guide the conduct of the English-speaking peoples in peace as they did in war. We must, and I believe we shall, prove ourselves equal to this severe requirement."
FYI hydrophobia = rabies
IOW islam is the human equivalent of rabies.
Unfortunately, the civilization of science will not protect the Europe of 2006.
Words to live by.
What I find terribly disturbing today is that the nut job leaders of Iran believe that they can bring about the coming of the Mahdi very soon. Apparently there is a belief among Muslims that the Mahdi will come after a great conflagration and unite the human race. They believe that he will literally bring order after a period of great chaos. Analysts believe that if Iran gets a bomb they may attempt to usher in this period of chaos by using it. Apparently Iran's Ahmadinejad believes that they can bring about the coming of the Mahdi by 2007.
The scary thing is that Christian's believe in the Mahdi too. We just call him the anti-Christ.
Thanks, I just added Khartoum to my Netflix queue (love the old epics). I'll pass on 4 Feathers because of negative feedback from people who have seen it.
A few folks at the White House & Foggy Bottom should read this.
Thanks for the ping.
This is VERY interesting.
Maybe, but more likely the attitude that "A woman is a duty but a boy is a joy".
Who obviously read Churchill as well as Guderian and Rommel.
for the forum, here's a link to the IMDB site on the film about The Hadhi:
All great minds think alike.
That being said, he was still properly accessed as "the last Victorian" and that world view was tempered by the faults of that era.
The governmental structures of the middle east were left ill formed and vestigial by Winston and similar world leaders and we have battled problems for seven decades from the effects of the pre-WWI and post WWI structures they set up that were viewed as benevolent at the time.
In the Indian subcontinent, the residual influence of British Order proved to be a beneficial underlying stabilizer as colonialism was removed -- but WC never thought of Gandhi and the movement around him as little more than a "middle temple lawyer." (A trouble making ambulance chaser) He mistook his aesthetic rather than his nationalism as his central strength.
The Shahs handed power in the middle east had in most instances no beneficial order or the west to moderate them entering the modern world. We got the Nazi partners of the forties and the Wahbists because of that.
Some, such a Egypt and Jordan came through the century with a modern influence, but Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Arabian peninsula were all just so much parceled out fiefdoms to those that the Europeans thought "they could work with."
Kurds and others rightly don't look upon him like we do after a hundred years of western initiated subjugation. Sure, he saw the cultural problems and dangers, but seeing them the western liberal governments froze out the resolutions that were needed and made the problems of today more fixed in stone.
Winston S. Churchill, 1896
I love it. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Okay, it's on the queue too. Thanks.
Crap - now there will be a call to ban the works of Winston Churchill. /sarc
What's even more amazing is that Churchill was only 24 when he wrote that. By the way, I'm happy to say that our company, St. Augustine's Press, will be publishing the definitive edition of the two-volume set of THE RIVER WAR later this year.
FANCY TALK FOR RETARDED RELIGION
Kinda sez it all - for the 21st Century hip hoppers it means Islam is some Stone Age Shxt!
This is worth re-reading periodically.
We need some leaders with vision and balls like this today.
It was only because of the film "Khartoum" that in the days following 9-11,
that I had a clue when the term "Madhi" came up in the press.
At first I thought, surely the film will get some broadcasts, but then
I came to my senses and remembered that we live in the era of PC censorship.
I understand the new DVD can be purchased for a little as $10.09 on
Cultural inferiority simply is. Islam societies are inferior to western societies because of the reasons Churchill so clearly summed up in the River War.
“Sure, he saw the cultural problems and dangers, but seeing them the western liberal governments froze out the resolutions that were needed and made the problems of today more fixed in stone.”
Consider the English truism, “The Arab is either at your throat or at your feet. Better he be at your feet.”
The Muslim understands clearly, and responds best to, power and vengeance.
Islam Delenda Est.
I know this is an old thread, but is **this** why Obama returned the Churchill bust to England? Because Churchill was opposed to Islamic tenets?
Yes an old thread worth viewing for those who haven’t seen it.