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Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row - photos included
bbc ^ | 7 February 2006 | Rachel Harvey

Posted on 02/09/2006 12:31:08 PM PST by dennisw

A man reads an Indonesian tabloid with scantily-dressed women pictured on the cover
New laws would make it an offence to show 'sensual body parts'
(Did porn turn this guy cross eyed?)

 

Indonesian Muslim protesters shout slogans during an anti-pornography rally in Jakarta
The issue is where to draw the line on decency

  A Muslim protester displays a defaced Playboy logo during an anti-pornography rally in Jakarta

Indonesian Muslims are angered by plans for a local edition of Playboy

Playboy sparks Indonesia porn row
By Rachel Harvey
BBC News, Jakarta


Indonesia, home to the world's largest Muslim population, is caught up in a growing debate about pornography.

News that the raunchy Playboy magazine has signed a deal to produce a local edition has fuelled the controversy.

Parliament is expected to pass a new anti-pornography bill by the middle of this year but the draft legislation is proving divisive.

A series of demonstrations has taken place in the capital, Jakarta, in support of the tightening of the laws.

The head of the parliamentary committee which drafted the new legislation, Balkan Kaplale, said Indonesia was in a state of moral decline. "These are Indonesian magazines," Mr Kaplale said, spreading a selection of pornographic tabloids across the table.

"It is terrible, our poor country. We are a religious people but now Indonesia is third worst in the world for porn after Scandinavia and Russia.

"It is so easily available and it is going unchecked. That is why we need this law," he said.

Booming trade

In a narrow, busy alleyway in Jakarta's Chinatown, there are stalls selling pirated DVDs.

In front of most of the stalls there is a cardboard box where the pornographic films are kept.

The DVDs are openly displayed - it is pretty graphic stuff.

Few people in Indonesia would argue against the need to control the sale of such material. And yet the proposed anti-pornography bill has come up against strong opposition.

The draft document includes articles which would make it an offence to show what it calls sensual body parts, including the navel, hips and thighs.

Those found guilty of breaking the law could face a two-year jail sentence.

Drawing the line

Husna Mulya, a women's rights activist, said the anti-pornography law had been hijacked by groups pushing a hardline conservative agenda.

"The people behind this are using religious values to make their argument, especially Muslim groups. It is not stated in the bill, but the standard being used is the standard of Sharia law.

"They say people are not dressing in line with Indonesian culture. But the fashion in Indonesia now is to wear trousers that are tight around the hips, and even traditional clothes are often designed to show off a woman's breasts," she said.

And it is not just women who are worried.

The artistic lobby is up in arms as well. The draft bill would make it illegal to record anything which portrays erotic dancing, or kissing on the lips. It would mean ground-breaking Indonesian films such as Arisan would be banned.

Arisan is a humorous take on the life of wealthy, 30-something Jakartans which addresses traditionally taboo subjects like adultery and homosexuality.

The screenplay was written by one of Indonesia's leading film critics, Joko Anwar.

He said the anti-pornography bill was a dangerous and unnecessary form of artistic censorship that would hamper filmmakers' creativity.

"We are not going to make some very graphic sexual scenes because we know that it wouldn't be accepted by an Indonesian audience.

"We already have that filter ourselves so I don't think it needs to be put into law. It's not democracy. It's not about pornography, it's your freedom to express yourself," he said.

This is the crux of the current argument. How far should such freedoms be extended?

The consensus in parliament is such that the anti-pornography bill will almost certainly be passed.

The question then becomes how it will be interpreted and enforced by a notoriously corrupt legal system.

But it is perhaps an encouraging sign of Indonesia's growing democratic maturity that a piece of draft legislation is being debated in public at all.

 



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KEYWORDS: indonesia; islam; muslims; playboy
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1 posted on 02/09/2006 12:31:09 PM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Maybe they could burn something.


2 posted on 02/09/2006 12:34:06 PM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: dennisw

At least they aren't burning bunnies...yet


3 posted on 02/09/2006 12:34:08 PM PST by rhombus
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To: dennisw

Someone needs to mail them about 300 hustler magazines. We could just sit back and watch them all rip each other to pieces in an insane rage and then spontaneously combust.


4 posted on 02/09/2006 12:36:23 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: dennisw
Did porn turn this guy cross eyed?

He already has hair on his palms ... he's cross-eyed on his way to going blind!

Bloody WANKER.

5 posted on 02/09/2006 12:36:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Shaun_MD
LOL!

Or have Flynn declare himself Muslim and keep printing with the Burka Next Door feature

6 posted on 02/09/2006 12:40:38 PM PST by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Shaun_MD

"Someone needs to mail them about 300 hustler magazines. We could just sit back and watch them all rip each other to pieces in an insane rage and then spontaneously combust."

Some pornographer needs to make some really disgusting and perverted films or photshoots featuring the (false) Prophet Muhhamad.


7 posted on 02/09/2006 12:41:21 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: dennisw

how long before someone registers http://www.playboy.go.to/ ?


8 posted on 02/09/2006 12:41:44 PM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: dennisw

I'm sure Indonesians are becoming more warped from reading militant interpretations of the Koran than from looking at Playboy.


9 posted on 02/09/2006 12:42:33 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: dennisw
Indonesian Muslim protesters shout slogans during an anti-pornography rally in Jakarta
That's the exact same beat axe, b!tch face that's on the cow here at the office who turned me into my boss for looking at hard core porn at work.  It's not my fault that God cursed he with a shocking and offensive outward apperance thus ruining her chances of a successful career in the porn industry.  Why ruin it for everyone else?  Be a fountain, not a drain, or at least stay out of the pool.
 
For what it's worth, the boss and I agreed that I'd limit workplace porn viewing to only the very hottest porn the net has to offer... well, that was my take away.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

10 posted on 02/09/2006 12:44:56 PM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: The Great RJ

Why do you say that? It's a religion of peace!


11 posted on 02/09/2006 12:45:53 PM PST by null and void (If the Muslim world can be brought to its knees by 12 cartoons, let's give them a whole comic book!)
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To: SmoothTalker; Zavien Doombringer

Don't think you'll find a porno photographer brave enough. As for a movie, how about Mohammed and Caligula, a Love Story?


12 posted on 02/09/2006 12:47:27 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: dennisw
I could comment, but frankly, I don't want the Free Republic Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice to think I have anything to do with pornographic materials.

Nope, not me.

(walks away whistling and trying to appear nonchalant)
13 posted on 02/09/2006 12:49:02 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: D.P.Roberts

Look, if your Iocal imam can "marry" you for an hour to a female total stranger so you can...well...you know...and Allah thinks it's fine, just have Mr. Turbin "bless" the Playboy for about fifteen minutes, and surely Allah will have no problem with it!


15 posted on 02/09/2006 12:51:37 PM PST by 50sDad (Racist: Anyone who is winning an argument with a Liberal.)
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To: dennisw

Naked adult women isn't exactly what rocks a muzzie's boat. They're more into underage boys, just like their sicko pedophile false prophet.

The more I hear about islam, the more I could go for a pork chop or two.


16 posted on 02/09/2006 12:52:08 PM PST by rock_lobsta
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To: dennisw

You'd think the extreme liberal faction of this country, who are siding with these fanatic terrorists, would look at things like outlawing porn, crappy western music in Iran, forbidding drug and alcohol consumption throught the muslim culture and come to the conclusion that, perhaps, this is the way they want the world to be.

I mean, what would a liberal be without their daily dose of porn sex, rock n' roll, and drugs.


18 posted on 02/09/2006 12:52:37 PM PST by Hayzo
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To: null and void
It's a religion of peace

And Brutus is an honorable man.

19 posted on 02/09/2006 12:53:11 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: dennisw

...looking forward to the counter demonstrations.


20 posted on 02/09/2006 12:53:38 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: All

All of you need to check out the Muslim Babes Gone Wild videos. But please don't tell the Imams as the muslim babes fear for their lives.


21 posted on 02/09/2006 12:54:33 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: rock_lobsta
Fixed your typo:

The more I hear about islam, the more I could go for a pork chop Danish Ham or two.

22 posted on 02/09/2006 12:55:36 PM PST by null and void (If the Muslim world can be brought to its knees by 12 cartoons, let's give them a whole comic book!)
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To: Owl_Eagle

LOL


23 posted on 02/09/2006 12:56:53 PM PST by Cruz
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To: steve-b
And Brutus is an honorable man.

And speaking of Danish Ham, I et two Brutus...

24 posted on 02/09/2006 12:57:26 PM PST by null and void (If the Muslim world can be brought to its knees by 12 cartoons, let's give them a whole comic book!)
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To: dennisw

It is so sad to see Asians who have been infected by Islam. It's one thing for the miserable Arabs to be saddled with it--they deserve it. But these poor Asian folks who were just fine with peaceful Buddhism and animist worship, to be forced into filthy Islam is just pathetic.


25 posted on 02/09/2006 12:57:36 PM PST by montag813
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To: Shaun_MD

Caligula? That's a strange name for a goat.


26 posted on 02/09/2006 12:58:10 PM PST by Old North State
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To: wayfaring-stranger

I could not find Burka Edition. But here is the SI swimsuit collection http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/swimsuit/collection/


27 posted on 02/09/2006 12:59:41 PM PST by Tolik
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To: Tolik

I'm offended by those beautiful scantily clad girls. Ok now, just where exactly do I go to riot and torch buildings?


28 posted on 02/09/2006 1:03:51 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

It's right there in the book, Doc: "Touch not, view not the
unclean thing, or, verily, your weiner will fall off.
Spartacus 4: subsection viii.

Now some banger will cite something with "fruits" in it, and we all go ballistic thinking its another Brokeback thread . . . I think I could go for a while without hearing more about horny (`Epic love story!') sheepherders or outraged (but peaceful, dammit) moon worshippers.
Officially Jaded,
TD


29 posted on 02/09/2006 1:07:22 PM PST by tumblindice (It's `whack-a-lib' day. Have you whacked your lib yet?)
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To: rock_lobsta
Naked adult women isn't exactly what rocks a muzzie's boat. They're more into underage boys, just like their sicko pedophile false prophet.

Wow, they follow the teachings of Michael Jackson? Who knew?
30 posted on 02/09/2006 1:08:05 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: null and void
Why do you say that? It's a religion of peace!

Not a religion of piece?

31 posted on 02/09/2006 1:08:38 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: SlowBoat407

Well Dubya keeps saying sumpin like that...


32 posted on 02/09/2006 1:10:23 PM PST by null and void (<---- Aged to perfection, and well beyond...)
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To: dennisw
Death to the Bunny!!
33 posted on 02/09/2006 1:10:25 PM PST by Archytekt
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To: Old North State

It's appropriate. lol


34 posted on 02/09/2006 1:10:48 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: tumblindice

Well, when you have to deal with this much male jelly. You have no choice but taking your problems into claw.

Or ...um... so I've been told....

(quick furtive look in panic)


35 posted on 02/09/2006 1:10:58 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: tumblindice
It's right there in the book, Doc: "Touch not, view not the unclean thing, or, verily, your weiner will fall off. Spartacus 4: subsection viii.

"strengthen your mind against the naughty bits, and harden your parts, lest they shrink from the proper way."

36 posted on 02/09/2006 1:11:09 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Archytekt

*snrk*


37 posted on 02/09/2006 1:11:13 PM PST by null and void (<---- Aged to perfection, and well beyond...)
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To: SlowBoat407
Just keep it up you guys, and we'll have the entire Virtue and Vice squad down here with their steel rods of chastisement.
38 posted on 02/09/2006 1:13:38 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Steel rods of chastisement?


39 posted on 02/09/2006 1:16:12 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

What? What'd I say?


40 posted on 02/09/2006 1:16:53 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: montag813
It is so sad to see Asians who have been infected by Islam. It's one thing for the miserable Arabs to be saddled with it--they deserve it. But these poor Asian folks who were just fine with peaceful Buddhism and animist worship, to be forced into filthy Islam is just pathetic.

Muhammad's madness called Islam is a natural fit for deserts and arid rocky places. Lush tropics like Indonesia and Malaysia and Southern Thailand just don't seem right. Plus Islam came there by Arab traders and missionaries. Not by Jihad conquest

41 posted on 02/09/2006 1:18:22 PM PST by dennisw ("What one man can do another can do" - The Edge)
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To: Shaun_MD

I'd only buy it for the articles.


42 posted on 02/09/2006 1:19:05 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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Um, me too. Yeah thats it. Love those articles.


43 posted on 02/09/2006 1:20:49 PM PST by Shaun_MD (Peace isn't pretty and freedom isn't free)
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To: dennisw

That "photos included" in the headline is soooo misleading.


44 posted on 02/09/2006 1:22:14 PM PST by rattrap
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To: dennisw

I admire their stand.


45 posted on 02/09/2006 1:23:16 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: dennisw

46 posted on 02/09/2006 1:38:17 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Shaun_MD; SlowBoat407
Steel rods of chastisement?

Yeah. And if they're really pissed, they'll bring the Holy Handgrenade of Antioch.

47 posted on 02/09/2006 1:41:48 PM PST by Erasmus (One fine day, sad to say, we'l all be Democrat voters.)
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To: dennisw

Maybe Gallery can go over there. Instead of the Girl Next Door it could be the Jihadist Next Door contest.


48 posted on 02/09/2006 1:44:19 PM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (If it wasn't for marriage, I would not have this screenname.)
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To: dennisw
I think that our current model of globalization is fatally flawed.

The people in the turd world don't want us or our stuff.

And we are addicted to their cheap labor, and want them to like or at least accept our way of life.

Not happening.

Leave them alone, make our own stuff, build a high fence around the turd world.

Works for me.

49 posted on 02/09/2006 1:46:24 PM PST by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: dennisw
I wouldn't mind if the Muzzies attacked Hefner, as long as they don't hurt the playmates. He's so old and senile, it wouldn't matter.
50 posted on 02/09/2006 1:46:25 PM PST by BW2221
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