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2 Web Sites Push Further Into Services Real Estate Agents Offer
NYT ^ | Feb. 8, 2006 | DAMON DARLIN

Posted on 02/10/2006 5:41:59 AM PST by summer

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To: hc87

Zillow says the house I used to live in in Draper, Utah is worth 2.5 million. What a laugh. The value is more like 250K. All the houses in that area are valued at 10 times what is real. I think they need to work on their math.


41 posted on 02/10/2006 7:08:21 AM PST by 109ACS (Humpty Dumpty was pushed!)
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To: Drango

My point is that, for most people, it will cost them far more than 6% of the sales price to try and go through the process without a qualified real estate agent.


42 posted on 02/10/2006 7:09:50 AM PST by nov7freedomday
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To: summer
Many real estate agents worry that Zillow could be a first step in an online evolution that could threaten their $60 billion commission-based business, just as Expedia, Travelocity and other online sites disrupted the business of travel agents...

Another area of change is in the employment area. We recently hired an in-house accountant through an online "help wanted" database. We placed the online ad because we received only three responses to the ad that we ran for a week in the local daily newspaper. The online ad was one-third the cost of the print ad and we received 16 quality responses.

43 posted on 02/10/2006 7:17:36 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: summer

Real estate agents have to go the way of travel agents. They will not continue to add value to the process. There's no way the real estate process won't be almost completely overcome by direct buyer-to-seller technologies.


44 posted on 02/10/2006 7:34:38 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Vision

REal estate agents in the past did perform valuable services that a buyer/seller could not do for himself.

However, with the internet and evolving software venues, more and more of the "matching" aspect of buying and selling real estate will be done directly by the individuals.

Right now, the only reason you need a RE agent in the selection of property process is, one, you can't always get full access to MLS (that will change) and, two, you can't actually get inside a property without going through an agent.

More and more listings will go online, though, with or without cooperation from RE agents. And the ability to post extensive photos and virtual tours will reduce the number of homes a buyer actually wants to get into to view (IOW, many homes can be eliminated from the buyer's interested list upfront).

I have bought and sold a lot of property and simply resigned myself to RE fees as part of doing business. I have worked with some excellent agents. But very rarely have I felt I received value added to the process commensurate with what I ended up paying the agent.


45 posted on 02/10/2006 7:41:43 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: babyface00

What I don't like is the monopolistic nature of the real estate business.

If people want an agent's services in the instances you set out, fine, let them hire one. But as it stands now, there really is no viable alternative to paying big commission fees regardless of how much work the sale involved and regardless of whether the agent added any value to the process.

For example, I'm selling a property now and of course it has to be listed on MLS. There really is no practical alternative. That requires an agent. No choice. So sometimes the commission turns out to be just what it costs to get access to MLS.

Once MLS gets busted open, and it will, (IOW, it will get replaced with a system that does the job and does it better), agents will have to make the case for what value they are adding to the process else be OBE.


46 posted on 02/10/2006 7:48:51 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: saveliberty
Huh? How is Adobe/Macromedia Flash not "fine" for PCs?

I haven't seen a PC yet that had the slightest problem with the plugin.

47 posted on 02/10/2006 7:51:11 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Women were put on Earth to look hot. Men are here to be stupid about it.)
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To: Rebelbase

What are the rules (or does it vary by listing agent/state) on striking a deal after the listing ends? If you (the seller) found a buyer completely on your own (no help/contact from the agent, no from agent's advertising etc.) and you enter contract after the listing expires, can the agent come back at you?


48 posted on 02/10/2006 7:51:17 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

More susceptible to viruses and worms. Sorry.


49 posted on 02/10/2006 7:56:26 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: nov7freedomday

Sorry, but you're questions are all along the lines of "So you are okay with . . . being stupid?"

No one wants to get into the situations you describe and a person who has the slightest clue about what they're doing will have a clue about how to avoid and deal with these types of things.

Also, as for "guessing" the right price---first, the "right price" is completely subjective anyway. Secondly, there is so much information on pricing easily available, and more and more will become available as time goes on.

I don't think understanding "right" pricing, or receiving advice on same, is worth thousands of commissions.

Most people understand how to avoid entering into a contract with an "unqualified" buyer.

No one is okay with marketing their home to a vastly smaller audience than is available through MLS, but that's no great credit to the agent or the agent's skills. The agent's exclusive access to MLS is purely artificial, contrived to make it harder to sell a home without paying thousands in commissions.

And, no one is okay is it taking longer to sell a home. However, it is not the fact that the home is not listed with a "qualified agent" that makes the sale take longer. It is the fact that MLS access is restricted to those who fork over the money to an agent.

Once MLS-type access to real estate listings is open to everyone, not just agents, (and this WILL happen), the real estate agent will either have to be redefined or become obsolete.

Sum: yes, right now it's very difficult to sell a home without listing it with a real estate agent. However, this has little to do with any services rendered by the agent. It has mostly to do with the fact that listing with an agent is the only way to get into MLS and, for now, MLS is the only way to reach the entire real estate market. That will change.


50 posted on 02/10/2006 8:05:24 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: wouldntbprudent
I agree that real estate is somewhat monopolistic, but as you said, there's really no practical alternative. Certainly, commissions will likely come down, and they already are (and can always be negotiated, which many people seem to forget).

One thing to keep in mind, though, is that the MLS is a creation of agents and brokers for agents and brokers in order to maximize the exposure of their clients' listings. It exists because there were no other alternatives, and there continue to be no real alternatives. It was and continues to be a significant investment by the real estate industry in their respective geographic areas.

There's more to an MLS than just matching buyers and sellers. A newspaper can do that. There are plenty of rules to insure that listings comply with government and NAR regulations, there are enforcement mechanisms, auditing for accuracy, etc, plus the very real costs of equipment, other services (tax records, prospecting services, maintaining historical property data, market comparison utilities, etc.) The public face of the MLS is typically small or non-existant. Its going to be a long while before another alternative comes along.

The only way the MLSs are going to go away is if the government gets involved, and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

Beyond all that, how many people really want to sell a home without a realtor? Probably about as many who represent themselves in court without a lawyer. People complain, but do they really want prospective buyers calling them at all hours of the day, having to arrange for showing the property when its convenient for the seller, etc. Selling a house can be a very time-consuming effort even for the "easy" ones and that's not even taking into account the potential legal liabilities in our lawsuit-happy culture.

I have more than average experience in real estate, and I still would use a realtor (as much as they can admittedly be a PITA). I don't have the time to take on the temporary second job of selling my house. If I was really all that realtor-averse, I'd spend the time and get my own license.
51 posted on 02/10/2006 8:11:12 AM PST by babyface00
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To: wouldntbprudent

Looks like you have it all figured out


52 posted on 02/10/2006 8:12:10 AM PST by Vision ("There are no limits to growth because there are no limits of human intelligence" Ronald Reagan)
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To: summer

2003 data, worthless.


53 posted on 02/10/2006 8:14:51 AM PST by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right >>>>>>>>>>>>>>)
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To: summer
Zillow might be good just to get a ball park estimate on your property value. But it doesn't take into account what a human appraiser can see such as the neighborhood in general,schools, and access to hospitals and shopping.
54 posted on 02/10/2006 8:14:59 AM PST by The South Texan (The Democrat Party and the leftist (ABCCBSNBCCNN NYLATIMES)media are a criminal enterprise!)
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To: summer
But the site automates the paperwork of making a bid and then rebates to the buyer two-thirds of the buyer's agent's commission, which is usually 3 percent

Wow! I bet Realtors are lining up to represent people that want to use this site to find a home.

The sales contract paperwork in just a small fraction of the documents the Realtors have to handle for their clients.

Sellers who use a Realtor sell there home for an average of 15% more than those that either go FSBO or a discount service.

55 posted on 02/10/2006 8:24:56 AM PST by socal_parrot (2006, the year of the parrot!!!)
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To: babyface00

I think the market/technology will eventually crack MLS wide open.

As for your other points, I agree that it often is much easier using an agent. However, the fact remains that it is never a good thing that an agent *must* be used (there's no practical alternative), regardless whether an agent will add value to the process or not.

IOW, there should be more choice in the process.


56 posted on 02/10/2006 8:38:05 AM PST by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

Typically, listing contracts have a clause that allows the agent to provide a seller with a list of prospective buyers names(people who showed interest as a result of the Realtor's marketing) at the end of a listing period. If anyone of those people on the list buy the house within a certain time frame (90 days I've heard) after the listing expires then the seller would owe the agent the listing fee.

If the seller sells to someone not on the agent's list after the listing contract expires then there's no fees due anyone.


57 posted on 02/10/2006 8:46:23 AM PST by Rebelbase (President Bush is a Texas jackass when it comes to Border security .)
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To: summer

bump


58 posted on 02/10/2006 8:48:09 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: wouldntbprudent

"right now it's very difficult to sell a home without listing it with a real estate agent."

That statment varies by market and a city can have multiple markets.


59 posted on 02/10/2006 8:51:01 AM PST by Rebelbase (President Bush is a Texas jackass when it comes to Border security .)
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To: Drango

I put it the house I sold 8 months ago, and it listed it for $120,000 less than what I got for it. I don't think it's very good.


60 posted on 02/10/2006 8:55:49 AM PST by Hildy (The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth)
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