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A funeral turns into a spirited tribute to democracy.(big barf alert)
WSJ - Opinion Journal ^ | Friday, February 10, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST | Peggy Noonan

Posted on 02/10/2006 10:12:49 AM PST by Eva

Listen, I watched the funeral of Coretta Scott King for six hours Tuesday, from the pre-service commentary to the very last speech, and it was wonderful--spirited and moving, rousing and respectful, pugnacious and loving. The old lions of the great American civil rights movement of the 20th century were there, and standing tall. The old lionesses, too. There was preaching and speechifying and at the end I thought: This is how democracy ought to be, ought to look every day--full of the joy of argument, and marked by the moral certainty that here you can say what you think.

There was nothing prissy, nothing sissy about it. A former president, a softly gray-haired and chronically dyspeptic gentleman who seems to have judged the world to be just barely deserving of his presence, pointedly insulted a sitting president who was, in fact, sitting right behind him. The Clintons unveiled their 2008 campaign. A rhyming preacher, one of the old lions, a man of warmth and stature, freely used the occasion to verbally bop the sitting president on the head.


...........With Bill nodding beside her, his hands clasped prayerfully in front of him, nodding and working that jaw muscle he works when he wants you to notice, for just a second, how hard it is sometimes for him to contain his admiration.

God I love them. .........

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: funeral; lorettascottking; noonan
Peggy Noonan has had her panties in a wad, ever since George W. turned down her speech writing services for the 2004 campaign.

Now, she loves the Clintons!(I don't care if she was being faceteous, she was more flattering to the Clintons than she was to the President)

1 posted on 02/10/2006 10:12:53 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

Yeah I have to agree. And this isn't the first time I have really objected to an article she has written for the WSJ. Perhaps it's time for her to part ways with them...


2 posted on 02/10/2006 10:15:45 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: steel_resolve

My husband was so angered that he threatened to cancel the subscription. He was saying that it seemed as though another newspaper had turned to the left.


3 posted on 02/10/2006 10:17:53 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

She has jumped the shark. Numerous times.


4 posted on 02/10/2006 10:19:17 AM PST by manic4organic (We won. Get over it.)
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To: Eva

I don't get this article. Is it sarcastic, serious or just incoherent?


5 posted on 02/10/2006 10:19:20 AM PST by zarf (It's time for a college football playoff system.)
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To: Eva

Man, what bullcrap!


6 posted on 02/10/2006 10:21:02 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Eva
She used to be GREAT, but now I think she's just so-so.

Her writing has gotten EXTREMELY feminine, and ponderous.

7 posted on 02/10/2006 10:21:10 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Eva

Geez, Peggy...

This wasn't a tribute to democracy. It was a freaking funeral.

There are a few people who work in media circles and focus on politics, who at times profess their love of the game. Of course they do, it is their lifeline. Their position allows them to wax poetic because they believe they are above the fray and will be fine no matter what happens or who is in charge. However, most of us outside that arena understand that this fight against the left, against the Clintons and their supporters, is not merely a game, but a fight for the life of our country and our descendents.

So, Peggy can go on loving the Clintons. She believes she can afford it I suppose.


8 posted on 02/10/2006 10:23:40 AM PST by kenth
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To: Eva
With Bill (Clinton) nodding beside (Hillary), his hands clasped prayerfully in front of him, nodding and working that jaw muscle he works when he wants you to notice, for just a second, how hard it is sometimes for him to contain his admiration.

God I love them.

Thank you Peggy, I will REMEMBER that you love them.

Well, why not FELLATE him?

9 posted on 02/10/2006 10:24:53 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Eva

She says,"This was the authentic sound of a vibrant democracy doing its thing."

Um, excuse me, but couldn't it just be a funeral.


10 posted on 02/10/2006 10:26:31 AM PST by half-cajun
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To: gaijin

Frankly, I never liked Peggy's writing. I always found her to be overly wordy and pretentious. I did like some of the points that she made, but never her style of writing. It is no wonder Bush turned her down. It would not have been a good fit.


11 posted on 02/10/2006 10:26:42 AM PST by Eva
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To: manic4organic
Peggy"s the type of left leaning liberal, that would tell you the Civil War was a good debate for America also.
12 posted on 02/10/2006 10:27:29 AM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: Eva

Peggy's just jealous, afraid that W. is going to equal/eclipse her former boss.

Her undeniable gift for words shows here:

"A former president, a softly gray-haired and chronically dyspeptic gentleman who seems to have judged the world to be just barely deserving of his presence . . ."


13 posted on 02/10/2006 10:27:34 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: zarf
I think that Noonan was perfectly serious, about everything except loving the Clintons, which I think was a facetious remark.
14 posted on 02/10/2006 10:28:01 AM PST by Eva
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To: manic4organic

Is Peggy now writeing for Saturday Live?


15 posted on 02/10/2006 10:29:13 AM PST by buck61 (luv6060)
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To: Eva

Noonan lost me as a fan back when she started bashing Bush...and just the way she started that column, sounds like it was written for a rural newspaper, where everyone she saw at the funeral was living there and would read it..


16 posted on 02/10/2006 10:30:36 AM PST by Txsleuth (l drink tea, not kool-aid.)
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To: Eva

In reading through the whole article, I agree with PART of what she said. I think the conservative disagreement comes with HER perception the rest of the funeral.

Just my opinion, but both Presidents Bush showed extreme class, Carter showed his usual out-to-lunch attitude, and Clinton showed his usual silver-tongued devil self. Mrs. Clinton...don't get me started! Mrs. Laura Bush showed her usual well-mannered self; Mrs. Jimmy Carter showed her usual black-eyed meaness.

Bottom line: What did we expect from a 10,000-member, mostly black church that wants to denigrate everything President Bush says? BTW, this particular church is apparently in one of THE most affluent areas of Georgia, and has THE most affluent congregation.

P.S. If you are a minority of any ethnic group, please don't start with me. I am neither racist nor prejudiced in any way. Apparently most of the members of this particular church have a LOT more money than I'll ever see.


17 posted on 02/10/2006 10:34:26 AM PST by Maria S
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To: Jedidah
"A former president, a softly gray-haired and chronically dyspeptic gentleman who seems to have judged the world to be just barely deserving of his presence . . ."

That style of writing is more suited to a Victorian novel, than an editorial page. Was it is noticeable that he was dyspeptic,or was that just Peggy's descriptive put down? I don't know, I didn't watch the funeral.

18 posted on 02/10/2006 10:37:19 AM PST by Eva
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To: Eva

That was probably the first funeral the Clinton's have been to that wasn't someone who pissed them off.


19 posted on 02/10/2006 10:38:53 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: manic4organic

This isn't new for Peggy. She jumped the shark a long time ago.


20 posted on 02/10/2006 10:41:49 AM PST by Essie
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To: Maria S

No, civil rights could have been an appropriate topic, but not WMDs. ....and certainly not trying to blame Republicans for the spying on the Kings. That was an insinuated lie. It was the Kennedy's who were reponsible for that.

Bottom line, the speakers were ungracious, oppurtunistic, lying politicians, with the exception of the Bushes.


21 posted on 02/10/2006 10:42:35 AM PST by Eva
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To: Maria S

This wasn't the church that MLK himself dipped his wick into many of the congregation members or was that the one in Birmingham?


22 posted on 02/10/2006 10:42:45 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Eva
Here's another one: Why is everyone sooooo crazy about Coretta King?

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You need a license to quote Martin Luther King Jr.

Bucks County Courier Times

Tomorrow marks the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King's immortal speech on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. I'd like to quote from the speech, but I hesitate to even mention its title, since I leave myself open to a lawsuit.

The King family, you see, holds a copyright on the 1963 speech along with most of MLK's papers, writings, and images.

Publish or use these without permission and you likely will find yourself receiving correspondence from the family's lawyers, which begins: "You have been sued in court."

USA Today discovered this when it reprinted the full text of the "I Have a Drea-" oops, I mean The Famous Speech On The Mall - and was sued for copyright infringement.

Gannett, which owns the paper, settled out of court for $1,700, plus legal fees.

Then CBS, whose cameras captured King delivering the speech live on Aug. 28, 1963, was sued. Its mistake was including excerpts from its archives in its documentary series, "The 20th Century with Mike Wallace."

CBS settled the case before it went to trial.

Harry Hampton, producer of the marvelous series on the civil rights era "Eyes on the Prize" was sued by the Kings, and settled for an amount "under $100,000," according to news accounts.

The King family has said it's protecting the image of the great civil rights leader from hucksters with crass gift shop proposals like refrigerator magnets, MLK ice cream and pocketknives, according to Slate, a Web magazine.

Yet, the family approved "Keep the Dream Alive" personal checks and a "tasteful" King statuette available from the King Center in Atlanta.

Even so, it's hard not to empathize with the King family.

The King children were small when James Earl Ray murdered their father in 1968. King was not a wealthy man. When he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1964, he donated the $54,000 prize money to civil rights groups.

Only the most hardened heart would begrudge King's survivors the licensing deal they have with Time Warner, which reaps them about $10 million a year.

Still, the complete commodification of a modern prophet is cheesy.

And, despite son Dexter King's assertion that the Time Warner deal helps spread King's message far and wide through all kinds of media, well, I doubt it. In fact, it works against it.

The family's vigorous enforcement of copyright protections and heavy restrictions on King's personal papers have driven away researchers, writers and scholars who either can't afford or who refuse to pay the royalties the family demands, according to a story published on CNN's Web site.

In a rare interview on the subject, Dexter King told The New York Times: "It has nothing to do with greed. It has to do with the principle if you make a dollar, I should make a dime."

While he's making all those dimes, he should consider this: A quarter million people stood on the Washington mall as King delivered his speech. It was seen live on TV by 80 million Americans. Each January we celebrate Martin Luther King Day and are reminded of his "dream."

And yet, as famous as that event is, most of what King said that day is largely unknown.

If you read King's text, it sends chills not only because of the beauty of phrasing, but also because a lone man speaking truth to mighty power is so biblical.

America would reap the whirlwind, he warned. Revolt is here. A new militancy has emboldened black Americans. Racial injustice must be ended immediately, not gradually.

But today, for a news network to broadcast much more than the old reliable touchy-feely snippets of the 16-minute speech, it will cost money, lest they violate the family's copyright privilege. You want more than a couple of stock lines from the speech? Licensing fees start at $2,000.

If King remains a one-dimensional grainy black-and-white figure who utters the same sunny sound bite year after year until it's a cliche, it's because news networks won't pay for more, and researchers have been kept from delving deep into his papers to tell us something new about the Martin Luther King the man, not the statuette.

And his family wants it that way.

J.D. Mullane can be reached at 215.949.5745 or at

23 posted on 02/10/2006 10:44:04 AM PST by gaijin
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To: Eva

I think Peggy's missing the point here - a funeral isn't supposed to "turn into" anything but a funeral.


24 posted on 02/10/2006 10:46:41 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Eva

Tribute to hatred is more like it. My wife said that Carter and that psuedo reverend's speeches were not in the spirit Dr. Kings' vision of little black kids and little white kids holding hands and playing together.


25 posted on 02/10/2006 10:47:53 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Eva

I didn't read this article, but I suppose she means a "tribute to democracy" in the sense that democracy is a cornerstone of socialism.


26 posted on 02/10/2006 10:49:22 AM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - ("Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: gaijin


I always thought he worked his jaw muscles so everyone would [erroneously] think he was masculine. FRAUD!


27 posted on 02/10/2006 10:49:27 AM PST by BunnySlippers (fH`)
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To: Eva

She's lost whatever was left of her mind. The performances by Carter and the Clintons, among others, was a disgrace. This was a funeral, not a campaign event


28 posted on 02/10/2006 10:50:54 AM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: Eva

Seems like she's completely gone to the Dark Side. This should've had a rectal bleeding alert.


29 posted on 02/10/2006 10:51:07 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Eva
First the old broad bashes the President's inauguration speech for having too many references to the Lord and now this!

Poor Peggy, clearly menopause stole her brain cells.

30 posted on 02/10/2006 10:56:13 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: vetvetdoug

Calling you for unnecessary roughness.


31 posted on 02/10/2006 10:57:54 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Eva
This is how democracy ought to be, ought to look every day--full of the joy of argument, and marked by the moral certainty that here you can say what you think.

Yeah, right. Had President Reagan's funeral been a series of attacks on Carter's failure to effectively counter Communist expansionism and Clinton's propensity to appear in the Oval Office with his boxers around his ankles, every 'rat on the North American continent would have stroked out.

32 posted on 02/10/2006 11:00:46 AM PST by Denver Ditdat (No Islam, Know Peace.)
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To: Eva
I have come to the defense of Noonan before, but this column seems completely gratuitous.

Why do columnists feel compelled to weigh in on everything.

Because that's what columnists do, I guess.

33 posted on 02/10/2006 11:03:08 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: Eva

To get another perspective of the funeral read Krauthammer's article.
http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/charleskrauthammer/2006/02/10/185941


34 posted on 02/10/2006 11:22:12 AM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Eva

She's a speechwriter, she's all about style over substance.


35 posted on 02/10/2006 11:28:44 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: zarf; Eva; NYTexan
I don't get this article. Is it sarcastic, serious or just incoherent?

I read it as extremely sarcastic.

””The old lions and lionesses speechifying”” old lions can’t hunt and just feebly growl waiting to die

This is how democracy ought to be, ought to look every day--full of the joy of argument (lies and bitter innuendo),

and marked by the moral certainty that here you can say what you think. And not worry about being lynched.

A former president, a softly gray-haired and chronically dyspeptic (gassy) gentleman who seems to have judged the world to be just barely deserving of his presence (thinks his stuff don’t stink), pointedly insulted a sitting president who was, in fact, sitting right behind him. sitting light-years in front of him

””A rhyming preacher, one of the old lions, a man of warmth and stature, freely used the occasion to verbally bop the sitting president on the head.””
A clichéd, bitter, old never-was used the “occasion” to take a self aggrandizing political cheap-shot at the president.

Pointing out the irony of Hillary’s launching her run for the presidency at a funeral.

""""God I love them.""""
""""God I hate them"""".

And that cartoon of Coretta Scott King glancing heavenward and frowning.

36 posted on 02/10/2006 11:43:51 AM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: Eva

Yep, we have a democracy, and that means folks have the right to say what they want to say. It also means that others have the right to point out the fact that their comments were inappropriate to the occasion, mean and petty.


37 posted on 02/10/2006 11:48:03 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Eva

The term "idiot" is overused, but Peggy Noonan begs for it.


38 posted on 02/10/2006 12:10:42 PM PST by RoadTest ("- - a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people." - Richard Henry Lee, 1786)
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To: RoadTest

I wonder what would have been her opinion, of Bush 41 during a speech at Reagan's funeral, mentioning "interns bumping their heads on the underside of the President clinton's desk".
Not quite as charitable, I suppose.


39 posted on 02/10/2006 12:36:46 PM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: Eva
Listen, I watched the funeral of Coretta Scott King for six hours Tuesday, from the pre-service commentary to the very last speech

That sounds like unimaginable torture.

I'd rather wear panties on my head (and probably have, back in college or something.)

40 posted on 02/10/2006 12:38:39 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: BunnySlippers; Big Digger

Great posts!!! Especially the "worked his jaw muscles so everyone would think he was masculine."

Believe it or not, most of us in the female audience actually recognize masculinity from pseudo-stuff.


41 posted on 02/10/2006 1:10:46 PM PST by Maria S
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To: OldFriend
Maybe the mourners at the funeral just repeated what others had said at other funerals in honor of MLK. Plagiarism is ok if one was MLK.
42 posted on 02/10/2006 3:06:38 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: gaijin
With Bill (Clinton) nodding beside (Hillary), ...(snip)
I didn't watch much but I did see a fair amount of X42's crap and 'lil hil was right there BESIDE HIM AT THE PODIUM nodding CONSTANTLY - maybe he did the same - sorry I couldn't take it. I remarked that she looked like a bobble-head doll and she just kept nodding and nodding. At BC's side that's code for "Here's our next annointed one." She even kept nodding when he paused. Pure politics.

Puke.

Thanks - yes I do feel better now. Sorry for the mess ... ;-)

43 posted on 02/10/2006 4:45:50 PM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Eva
This was the authentic sound of a vibrant democracy doing its thing. It was the exact opposite of the frightened and prissy attitude that if you draw a picture I don't like, I'll have to kill you.

I suppose that it is admirable that we restrain ourselves from beheading offensive speakers. It is also nice that we don't practice cannibalism, that we use bathrooms and take the occasional shower. These are pathetically low standards of civilized behavior.

44 posted on 02/10/2006 5:19:14 PM PST by TChad
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