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Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Ex-Gay Cowboys (homosexuality is incurable, etc.)
The New York Times ^ | February 10, 2006 | DAN SAVAGE

Posted on 02/10/2006 1:14:33 PM PST by presidio9

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gay cowboys try, as best they can, to quit one another. They marry women, start families. But their wives are crushed when they realize their husbands don't, and can't, ever really love them. "Brokeback Mountain" makes clear that it would have been better for all concerned if Jack and Ennis had lived in a world where they could simply be together.

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Straight audiences are watching and loving "Brokeback Mountain" — that's troubling to evangelical Christians who have invested a decade and millions of dollars promoting the notion that gay men can be converted to heterosexuality, or become "ex-gay." It is, they insist, an ex-gay movement, although I've never met a gay man who was moved to join it.

This "movement" demands more from gay men than simply playing straight. Once a man can really pass as ex-gay — once he's got some Dockers, an expired gym membership and a bad haircut — he's supposed to become, in effect, an exgay missionary, reaching out to the hostile gay tribes in such inhospitable places as Chelsea and West Hollywood.

What should really trouble evangelicals, however, is this: even if every gay man became ex-gay tomorrow, there still wouldn't be an ex-lesbian tomboy out there for every ex-gay cowboy. Instead, millions of straight women would wake up one morning to discover that they had married a Jack or Ennis.

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Sometimes I wonder if evangelicals really believe that gay men can go straight. If they don't think Chad Allen can play straight convincingly for 108 minutes, do they honestly imagine that gay men who aren't actors can play straight for a lifetime? And if anyone reading this believes that gay men can actually become exgay men, I have just one question for you: Would you want your daughter to marry one?

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: brokebackmountain; exgays; homophobechristians; homosexualagenda; liesliesmorelies; nytimes; propaganda
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1 posted on 02/10/2006 1:14:35 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

"Straight audiences are watching and loving Brokeback Mountain'.

I don't believe it.
I've heard all the straight men depicted in the movie look like redneck savages and the only good people are the gays.

Who would enjoy that?


2 posted on 02/10/2006 1:17:12 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: presidio9

I'm not sure, but I think a woman should think twice before marrying an "ex-gay" man. Too many cases of these folks reverting back to their old ways.

Some might make a long-term change, but I haven't seen all that many who have been ex-gay for more than a few years. Maybe I'm missing some, though.

I'd sure be cautious, though, if I were a woman.


3 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:02 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: squarebarb
Who would enjoy that?

Liberal women who are f*g hags...and gay men.

4 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:15 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: presidio9

The anti Christian biase of this reporti s dripping from the page. I will dance when I here of this lying liberal legacy dead tree media source closing shop.


5 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:18 PM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: presidio9

I thought it was gonna be an article about Troy Aikman.


6 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:35 PM PST by dmz
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To: presidio9

What are the actual sales on this tripe?


7 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:41 PM PST by x5452
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To: presidio9

****Straight audiences are watching and loving "Brokeback Mountain" ***

They are?? Gee in my neighborhood they just laugh when its mentioned and make some sort of fag joke.


8 posted on 02/10/2006 1:18:51 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: little jeremiah; scripter; DirtyHarryY2K

More leftist, agenda-promoting trash from the NYT. ping


9 posted on 02/10/2006 1:19:13 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: presidio9

Doesn't Dan Savage write sex columns in alternative weeklies?


10 posted on 02/10/2006 1:19:51 PM PST by GSWarrior
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To: dmz

"I thought it was gonna be an article about Troy Aikman."

LMAO


11 posted on 02/10/2006 1:20:06 PM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: squarebarb

The metrosexuals luv, luv, luv it.


12 posted on 02/10/2006 1:20:07 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: presidio9
"gay cowboys try, as best they can, to quit one another..."

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Same thing about trying to quit bothering the sheep, I suspect.

Ewe, get my point?

14 posted on 02/10/2006 1:21:01 PM PST by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: presidio9

When the Academy Awards are over in a month, this movie will fall into obscurity. And it may not even win, some Hollywood people are uncomfortable with it. Even Bill Maher indicated to O'Reilly he wasn't interested and actually seemed embarrassed by the topic!


15 posted on 02/10/2006 1:21:45 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: x5452

about 83 million now.


16 posted on 02/10/2006 1:22:14 PM PST by Bubbatuck ("Hillary Clinton can kiss my ass" - Tim Robbins)
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To: presidio9

The movie finally comes out and preaches the old wisdom: Gay men will go after straight man and bring 'em over to the other side, and make 'em "Go Gay". You don't have to be born that way. In fact, it is never established if the gay guy was born that way or had "gone gay" sometime before the movie's start.


17 posted on 02/10/2006 1:22:33 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: GSWarrior

I was wondering if he pronounces his last name "Thavage."


18 posted on 02/10/2006 1:22:53 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: x5452

19 posted on 02/10/2006 1:22:55 PM PST by fzx12345 (Three lefts don't make a right; they invent one.)
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To: Bubbatuck

Gay cowboys 83 million.
Narnia 637.8 million
Knowing that you raised you're kids to be Christians and not fornicators? Priceless.


20 posted on 02/10/2006 1:23:17 PM PST by x5452
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To: presidio9
Straight audiences are watching and loving "Brokeback Mountain"

Straight liberals, no doubt.

21 posted on 02/10/2006 1:23:33 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: squarebarb
"Straight audiences are watching and loving Brokeback Mountain'.

Total BS. People are being cajoled into seeing it because of all the pro-gay press. The five films nominated for Best Picture (or really Best Portrayer of Lies and Filth) have the lowest total gross of any five films in 20 years. No one is seeing this movie.

22 posted on 02/10/2006 1:23:37 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: squarebarb
Straight liberal audiences are watching and loving "Brokeback Mountain".
23 posted on 02/10/2006 1:24:00 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: presidio9

This author is just hoping that his hunting lease will always be stocked with other self-abusers.


24 posted on 02/10/2006 1:24:16 PM PST by keithtoo (It's STILL not safe to vote Democrat)
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To: MineralMan; presidio9
It never ceases to amaze me how many clueless women I meet who date or marry an obviously gay fellow. You meet their "boyfriends"/husbands who make Liberace look like John Wayne and you are not surprised when they break up because she found out he was gay.

I guess there are people out there with no Gaydar.

25 posted on 02/10/2006 1:25:15 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I have skimmed over the IMDB message board for this movie. They watch it over and over, some going 15 times and more. And they are very rude to anyone to doesn't sing its praises, calling them homophobes, trolls, right-wing wackos, etc. automatically.


26 posted on 02/10/2006 1:25:38 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: presidio9

Uh....that should read "gay SHEEP HERDERS!"


27 posted on 02/10/2006 1:25:51 PM PST by petro45acp (SUPPORT/BE YOUR LOCAL SHEEPDOG! ("On Sheep, Wolves, and Sheepdogs" by Dave Grossman))
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To: presidio9
Dan Savage

Let's all sit and be lectured by this puke....

28 posted on 02/10/2006 1:26:04 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: GSWarrior

"Doesn't Dan Savage write sex columns in alternative weeklies?"

Yep.
Some of the columns would be unprintable in flyover country.


29 posted on 02/10/2006 1:26:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: presidio9

I think it's hilarious that now it's the homosexual community that adheres to the old "c*cks*cker rule -- s*ck one c*ck and you'll aways be a c*cks*cker." Mostly because they want everyone who's ever had a homosexual experience (however young and forced) to somehow "count" as gay and to think of themselves as irretrievably homosexual. Faugh! Stuff and Nonsense!


30 posted on 02/10/2006 1:26:20 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: squarebarb

I don't believe it either. Has anyone seen the numbers on the box office take for Brokeback Mountain?


31 posted on 02/10/2006 1:26:34 PM PST by no dems ("99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name." Steven Wright)
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To: presidio9
Straight audiences are watching and loving "Brokeback Mountain".......

Not where I live they aint!

32 posted on 02/10/2006 1:26:44 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Clemenza
I guess there are people out there with no Gaydar.

And yours is finely tuned, right?

33 posted on 02/10/2006 1:27:06 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Blzbba; dmz

34 posted on 02/10/2006 1:27:39 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: BonnieJ

What's IMBD?


35 posted on 02/10/2006 1:28:32 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: presidio9

If ones sexual habits cannot be changed.... then why oh why do we allow all sex offenders i.e., rapists, child molestors etc. parole at all?

Or are we just playing PC games?


36 posted on 02/10/2006 1:28:51 PM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: squarebarb

Internet Movie Bondage Domination? (I think you mean IMDB Internet Movie Data Base)


37 posted on 02/10/2006 1:29:32 PM PST by x5452
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To: presidio9
Today, the tiny and stable percentage of men who are gay are free to live openly, and those who want to settle down and start families can do so without having to deceive some poor, unsuspecting woman.

Yup right on Dan that's what the gays want,nice stable families.

I wonder than way HIV and a host of other sexual transmitted diseases are on the rise in homosexuals?

Why is it Dan that these "settling down" types have hundreds of partners in a given year?

Tell me Dan, why does the average homosexual only live to the rip old of age of 50?

Why don't you write a column on the destructive behavior of homosexuals, instead of this filthy propaganda?

38 posted on 02/10/2006 1:29:38 PM PST by Angus MacGregor (Wars are fought in the will...)
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To: squarebarb

It's the movie site run by Yahoo, International Movie Data Base. Quite interesting source actually!


39 posted on 02/10/2006 1:30:03 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: presidio9
once he's got some Dockers, an expired gym membership and a bad haircut

How's that for TOLERANCE?

Instead, millions of straight women would wake up one morning to discover that they had married a Jack or Ennis.

Ooooh, so when gay guys stay gay, that's an act of generosity to women, right? OK...

Obviously, some witty, bitchy gay guy wrote this...

40 posted on 02/10/2006 1:30:10 PM PST by gaijin
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To: presidio9

I would fear my daughter getting the bug or some other queer infliction. I have done a good job raising my 5 they are more intolerant of queers than I am.

I cannot name one person I personally know that has seen the movie. The closest theatre that would show it is close to 2 hours away.


41 posted on 02/10/2006 1:30:41 PM PST by One Proud Dad
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To: x5452

Oops...got the letters mixed up, I like your interpretation though!


42 posted on 02/10/2006 1:31:06 PM PST by BonnieJ
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To: BonnieJ

Thanks, I'll check it out.


43 posted on 02/10/2006 1:31:23 PM PST by squarebarb
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To: presidio9

The movie is a loser but to hear H'weird and the distributors tell the story the movie is HUGE hit. The lies coming out of H'weird make me sick. Most of the money was made in CA when first released. What's mandatory but not told is that ALL movies for candidacy to the Academy Awards MUST be open in Los Angeles, without exception. In 9 weeks, the movie, according to H'weird, grossed $60 million nationwide. I don't see that as a runaway hit. Compare that movie the Jedi movies or "The Passion of the Christ" and you'll see it's not that big of a moneymaker. H'weird won't survive on that pittance.


44 posted on 02/10/2006 1:32:08 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: TXBSAFH

Make no mistake as to what is going on here. Christians are being driven to the margins of society. The financial attacks on the Catholic church in court is just the beginning.

Soon it will be a matter of "hate" crime for Chrisitans to talk about sins like sodomy. Law suits launched by the ACLU and others are coming.

Christian churches are being burned in Alabama. NBC, a national over the air network is planning a program on Holy Thursday which makes fun of Christ's suffering and death.

Pat Robertson can't open his mouth without the national press all over his words. Yet they won't cover controversial statements of men like Julian Bond.

Make no mistake where this is going. In fifty years the open practice of Christianty will be dead.


45 posted on 02/10/2006 1:32:52 PM PST by kjo
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To: presidio9
Do you really want to know the truth about Mac owners?

Their tale is told in BrokeMac Mountain!

46 posted on 02/10/2006 1:35:20 PM PST by bygolly
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To: lilylangtree
In 9 weeks, the movie, according to H'weird, grossed $60 million nationwide.

It has made over four times its cost ($14 million). A movie doesn't have to be Star Wars to be financially successful, and this movie has been.

47 posted on 02/10/2006 1:35:34 PM PST by LWalk18
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To: lilylangtree

Below lists a runaway hit:

"Narnia" has grossed more than $637.8 million at the worldwide boxoffice. Internationally, it ranks as Buena Vista's top-grossing live-action release of all time, surpassing "Armageddon" and "Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl" with its gross to date of $359.4 million. The film has grossed $278 million domestically and is the studio's third-highest-grossing live-action film. It is on track to surpass "Pirates' " worldwide gross of $655 million to become Buena Vista's all-time top live-action grosser. The movie also received three Oscar nominations Tuesday.


48 posted on 02/10/2006 1:35:42 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: presidio9
that's troubling to evangelical Christians who have invested a decade and millions of dollars promoting the notion that gay men can be converted to heterosexuality

This doofus hasn't a clue what evangelicals think. Nor is he even trying. But he is openly lying when he makes the statement that evangelicals have invested a decade and millions of dollars promoting the notion. No! The notion was a gift from all those mothers and fathers who brought us into this world. And it is simply an observtion that all men, as all women, are born with heterosexual biology.

Our money is simply being spent trying to stop liberals like him from scamming the courts into betraying the will of the people by legislating the gay political agenda from the bench.

49 posted on 02/10/2006 1:36:01 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: GSWarrior
>>>>>Doesn't Dan Savage write sex columns in alternative weeklies?

Yes, he is a filthy pervert.

50 posted on 02/10/2006 1:36:08 PM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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