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Boy charged with felony for carrying sugar
suntimes ^ | February 11, 2006

Posted on 02/11/2006 4:11:34 PM PST by Revel

Boy charged with felony for carrying sugar

BY JUSTINA WANG A 12-year-old Aurora boy who said he brought powdered sugar to school for a science project this week has been charged with a felony for possessing a look-alike drug, Aurora police have confirmed.

The sixth-grade student at Waldo Middle School was also suspended for two weeks from school after showing the bag of powdered sugar to his friends.

The boy, who is not being identified because he is a juvenile, said he brought the bag to school to ask his science teacher if he could run an experiment using sugar.

Two other boys asked if the bag contained cocaine after he showed it to them in the bathroom Wednesday morning, the boy's mother said.

He joked that it was cocaine, before telling them, "just kidding," she said.

Aurora police arrested the boy after a custodian at the school reported the boy's comments. The youngster was taken to the police station and detained, before being released to his parents that afternoon.

"This is getting ridiculous," said the boy's mother. "They treated my son like a criminal. .. . This is no way to treat a 12-year-old kid."

East Aurora School District officials declined to comment on the case, citing privacy issues.

The district issued a written statement, which said: "The dangers of illegal drugs and controlled substances are clear.

Could get probation "Look-alike drugs and substances can cause that same level of danger because staff and students are not equipped to differentiate between the two."

The school handbook states that students can be suspended or expelled for carrying a look-alike drug.

Penalties for juveniles are decided on a case-by-case basis, but if convicted, the sixth-grader could likely face up to five years' probation, said Jeffery Jefko, deputy director of Kane County juvenile court services.

Juveniles who have prior criminal records could also be placed in a residential treatment program if convicted, he said.

Aurora Beacon-News


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To: robertpaulsen
First of all, the time to fight school policy is before your child breaks that policy, not afterwards.

That only works until some idiotic educrat comes up with an off-the-wall interpretation of policy, as in this case.

201 posted on 02/12/2006 8:04:17 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: robertpaulsen
We have an opportunity every two years to elect a whole new group to write our laws.

Whereupon they refuse to dance with the one what brung 'em.

202 posted on 02/12/2006 8:05:48 AM PST by elkfersupper
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203 posted on 02/12/2006 8:07:59 AM PST by Born Conservative (Chronic Positivity: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jsher/)
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To: wintertime; elkfersupper
"Saying that I do not approve of "look-alike" drugs at does NOT mean that I approve of hauling a kid off to the police station if he does it."

elkfersupper was addressing school policy not state law.

"I phone call to the parent, and a stern chat with the principal should be enough in most rational situations."

So you agree with a school policy prohibiting look-alike drugs. Well, elkfersupper doesn't. So there.

204 posted on 02/12/2006 8:12:11 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
The kid would have been better off bringing cocaine and telling everyone it was powdered sugar.

No lookalike drug violation.

205 posted on 02/12/2006 8:17:05 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
"off-the-wall interpretation of policy, as in this case."

What's so "off-the-wall" about interpreting a white-powder filled baggie claimed to be cocaine as violating a no-look-alike-drug school policy?

206 posted on 02/12/2006 8:17:38 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: elkfersupper
"Whereupon they refuse to dance with the one what brung 'em."

Brung a different one next time. They'll get the message.

207 posted on 02/12/2006 8:19:09 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
So you agree with a school policy prohibiting look-alike drugs

Robertpaulsen,

I doubt than any private school ( other than a drug rehab) would have called the police and hauled the kid off to the police station.

I do not approve of drug look-alikes in any school private or government.

Neither do I approve of hauling a kid off to the police station for the first offense. A stern talk from the principal would likely been enough but I recognize that principals was in a legal box (created by political bullies) and had no other option.

Government schools are like this. The biggest political bully gets to impose its will on other people's children by way of nutty laws.

Solution: Get your kid out of that nut house. Lobby like crazy to privatize universal K-12 education.

We will never reform government schools precisely because they are and always will be responsive to the whims of the biggest political bullies.
208 posted on 02/12/2006 8:22:47 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revel

The boy will be traumatized, he could end up stabbing his mother....


209 posted on 02/12/2006 8:23:01 AM PST by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: robertpaulsen
What's so "off-the-wall" about interpreting a white-powder filled baggie claimed to be cocaine as violating a no-look-alike-drug school policy?

Once it was determined to be neither cocaine, nor lookalike cocaine, but in fact powdered sugar, the kid should have been told by someone not to do that anymore, and that should have been the end of the story.

210 posted on 02/12/2006 8:26:15 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; Annie03; Baby Bear; bassmaner; ...
Juveniles who have prior criminal records could also be placed in a residential treatment program if convicted, he said.

Think about that one for a second.If you get convicted of having sugar you can be put in a state rehab program what are you going to say at the meetings?Hello im john smith and im a sugaholic.Its been three weeks since I ate a powdered donut.at first it was just a tablespoon here and there to get me going in themornings but then the addiction got its claws in me and I moved up to the harder stuff brown sugar.But I still thought I could quit anytime I wanted until I started dosing with nutrasweet that eventually lead me down the dark road of splenda.After that I lost my job my wife and kids left me and I was living on skid row begging for spare change and giving strangers lewinskys in the bus station bathroom for pixie stick money before i ended up here.

this is the most retarded abuse of power by a school system under zero tolerance that ive seen in a long time and another constitution destroying aspect of the war on some drugs that is rabidly turnig us into a police state so of course a lot of people here on freerepublic support it. I wish to hell those people that support this crap would get off of here and start thier own website called www.enslaved statist.com because its apparent that they arent happy posting on freerepublic and they are absolutly miserable living in a free republic.

I have a fiance living in the philippines right now and I am very seriously thinking of moving there after i marry her and becoming a philippino citizen.I really dont see this country survivng more then 10 or 15 years as the usa maybe and quiet possibly it will be the u.s.s.a but thats not a country I want to be in so I will probably jump over the new berlin wall before its built because it will be way to hard to do so afterwords.

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211 posted on 02/12/2006 8:29:43 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: robertpaulsen
You would, of course, allow look-alike guns, right?

Actually, I would allow real guns. Every day of high school, I had a loaded rifle in a gun rack in my vehicle. Had I unlimbered it and proceeded to get into mischief, I would have been taken out by the Future Farmers of America, who both outnumbered and outgunned me.

This is as it should be.

212 posted on 02/12/2006 8:30:21 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: wintertime
"I doubt than any private school ( other than a drug rehab) would have called the police and hauled the kid off to the police station."

Given the state statute, the principal at a private school would be in the same legal box.

213 posted on 02/12/2006 8:39:29 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Thoeting

"Once the child has a substance he has claimed is an illegal drug, how is the principal supposed to verify that it is indeed powdered sugar? "

In a totalitarian regime where laws are structured so as to revoke common sense as a tool for principal determinations, the principal shall not challenge the veracity of the child's statement: "it is a drug." In a totalitarian regime, the principal is required by law to call the police so the police (the one and only true totalitarian authority) can determine the veracity of the child's statement...then naturally, in a totalitarian regime, the child is punished whether it was a drug or simply Dixie Crystal from grand ma's pantry. This is done in a totalitarian regime in order to socially engineer the behaviors of other children who might consider playing such a silly little game while attending public schools.

Anyone of right mind knows that in a totalitarian regime, there is zero tolerance for child's play especially in public schools.


214 posted on 02/12/2006 8:42:21 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: elkfersupper
"Once it was determined to be neither cocaine, nor lookalike cocaine"

Determined by who and how? Do schools have drug testing kits? Should taxpayers fund these?

Why test at the school? The kid already broke the look-alike drug school policy and state statute. The substance can be tested at the police station, and the kid re-charged if it turns out to be positive for cocaine.

215 posted on 02/12/2006 8:45:58 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: bwteim
The boy will be traumatized, he could end up stabbing his mother....( bwteim)

Bwteim,

Probably not. But, I am sure the experience was horrifying for him ( emotional child abuse). More likely he will learn to hate school. In the process not do as well academically.

And,,,people wonder why so few boys are showing up at college?

This is just another example of government schools emasculating boys.

But,,,,all the children know about this incident as well now. It is abusive for them as well to witness this police action.
216 posted on 02/12/2006 8:46:02 AM PST by wintertime
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To: freepatriot32
"I have a fiance living in the philippines right now and I am very seriously thinking of moving there"

Be careful. There's a heavy spring on our door, so don't let it hit you in the a$$ on your way out.

217 posted on 02/12/2006 8:48:36 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Revel

The kids would have more rights and better treatment at GITMO.


218 posted on 02/12/2006 8:50:37 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: takenoprisoner
Takenoprisoner,

Uh,oh! Soon Theoting will be accusing you of using inflammatory language that is detracting from your message. ( sarcasm)

You have it nailed! It is time for us to use the words that point out the police state nature of government schools and it indoctrination agenda.

Also....we should stop being polite to the parents who place their kids in nut houses. We should be asking the pointed question, "Why are you doing this?? Why are you sending your child into such an abusive environment?"
219 posted on 02/12/2006 8:51:22 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revel
“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against - then you'll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We're after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you'd better get wise to it. There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted - and you create a nation of law-breakers - and then you cash in on guilt. Now, that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with.”

220 posted on 02/12/2006 8:56:15 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: Thoeting

"This falls under the statute of "look-alike" drugs because that is how he presented it to his friends. Had he showed the sugar to his friends and said "this is sugar for a Science experiment" there would have been no punishment.
The title is misleading. He was in trouble not for bringing sugar, but for bringing a product and claiming it was a drug."

But the handbook bans "look-alike drugs", not verbal statements about sugar being coke.


221 posted on 02/12/2006 9:07:05 AM PST by drhogan
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To: Revel

If the authorities can't stop the trafficking of drugs, the solution in their minds it to arrest those who posess things that "look" like drugs.
This is like suspending kids for drawing a picture of a gun in school and then arresting them for posession of a gun, or drawing a picture of a plane flying into a building and suspending them for having terrorist ideas.
Symbolism over substance.
The incompetence of the authorities to stop real crime.
Arrest people for the appearance of crime.


222 posted on 02/12/2006 9:10:42 AM PST by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: dufekin

that is truly amazing!
i didn't think even schools could come up with a policy that banned water.


223 posted on 02/12/2006 9:14:08 AM PST by drhogan
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To: robertpaulsen
"... Now, powdered sugar in a baggie looks like a drug, especially after joking that it was cocaine. That is against written school policy."

Which explains perfectly why society simply MUST charge this 12 year old boy with a FELONY and place him on probation until he's 18.

Good grief. Death of common sense indeed.

224 posted on 02/12/2006 9:15:24 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Mojave


"You forgot to call police officers Nazis and statists. You're slipping"

actually, i don't call police "nazis" or "statists".

i was really making fun of the guy defending the school policy, not making fun of the police, who probably think the policy is ridiculous.


225 posted on 02/12/2006 9:17:31 AM PST by drhogan
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To: robertpaulsen
Determined by who and how? Do schools have drug testing kits? Should taxpayers fund these?

The time to figure out how you're going to get the tools is before you make the rules, not after someone violates them.

226 posted on 02/12/2006 9:18:02 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: robertpaulsen

check out post #149--apparently a school really did ban water because it looked like alcohol.

what can I say?


227 posted on 02/12/2006 9:23:31 AM PST by drhogan
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To: 1rudeboy

don't they have lab tests that differentiate marijuana from oregano?
there is also something called a "chain of evidence".


228 posted on 02/12/2006 9:28:32 AM PST by drhogan
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To: robertpaulsen
Be careful. There's a heavy spring on our door, so don't let it hit you in the a$$ on your way out.

Dont worry I wont but even if it does I got plenty of padding to keep me from being injured :-) I would advise you to get out while the getting is good also.If you know anything about history(Wich I doubt seeing as how you are supporting the exact same prohibition against drugs that utterly failed against alchohol) you will know that the people that help communist/fascists/dictators get into power are the first to get imprisoned or exacuted once they are in because the people that get them into power are the ones that are the biggest threat to take them back out of power.Just ask any of the people that got lenin into power in 1917 a vast majority were dead or in gulags by 1918 or ask any of hitlers backers the same thing within a year they were dead or in prisons and so on and so forth from mao to casto pol pot saddam ect.You are a major help in getting the country to turn into a fascist regime with your vocal and probable finacial support of these totalitarian laws once the feds can finally get rid of the constitution as token governing document in this country they will turn there wrath on you first in case you lose favor with them and work as hard to get them out of power as you now are getting them in.

229 posted on 02/12/2006 9:34:10 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: dread78645

that's a great quotation. what book is it from?


230 posted on 02/12/2006 9:35:46 AM PST by drhogan
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To: drhogan

Ayn Rand -- Atlas Shrugged


231 posted on 02/12/2006 9:41:42 AM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: takenoprisoner

Then perhaps the child should not lie about what is in the bag? He has some responsibility here.


232 posted on 02/12/2006 9:50:41 AM PST by Thoeting
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To: Thoeting

Then perhaps the child should not lie about what is in the bag? He has some responsibility here.
7777777777777777777777777777777777

When did it become a felony to lie?


233 posted on 02/12/2006 10:02:07 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

When you say that a substance is an illegal drug. At that point, a felony has been committed.


234 posted on 02/12/2006 10:06:26 AM PST by Thoeting
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To: Thoeting
When you say that a substance is an illegal drug. At that point, a felony has been committed. ( Thoeting)

Thoeting,

Unbelievable! ( Control, control, control)

By the way,,,,,did you say you taught 6th graders? Is this a government school?
235 posted on 02/12/2006 10:09:58 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Since graduating in the late 70's I have taught at public, private, Christian and Catholic schools. In addition, I home-schooled for 2 years and have tutored for over 10.

I prefer teaching at the Catholic school the best. My only complaint involves class size. 35 6th graders is a bit much. My least favorite was the Christian school. The kid were out of control and the principal was powerless to change anything. I taught one year and left. I may teach at a local Lutheran school in the near future. Waiting to see how things turn out.

I have never been a member of the NEA or an offshoot of the NEA.

I am proudly conservative and teach in that way. Where I draw my current salary from at this moment has no more bearing on this conversation than does your employment.

236 posted on 02/12/2006 10:18:19 AM PST by Thoeting
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To: Revel

Another example of gross institutionalized child abuse.


237 posted on 02/12/2006 10:19:59 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: Revel

The problem is that our society has given up on being responsible. No longer do they weigh each problem that comes to them and make decisions. They prepare cause and effect lists and point to them when anyone asks "what should we do". That way, nobody can blame them. Cowards. Our society is rolling over and peeing on itself.


238 posted on 02/12/2006 10:22:15 AM PST by mudblood
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To: Revel
Aurora Chief of Police charged with felony

"BY JUSTINA WANG: In another breaking news item, the Aurora Chief of Police was arrested by Federal DEA agents for possession and distribution of mass quantities of drug delivery vehicles heavily coated with a look-alike drug."

"Although his attorney claims that the evidence was planted, Federal authorities say they have forensic evidence that clearly connects the Aurora Chief of Police to the alleged crime."


239 posted on 02/12/2006 10:24:15 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Thoeting; robertpaulsen
Listen. Kids are kids, and they make up stuff. Always has been that way and it always will. I wonder just what kind of things you may have said in your childhood that could have landed you in big trouble. That is why adults have to use common sense to determine what really matters. This does not matter. If he had been selling it or even giving it away...claiming that it was cocaine then things would be different. Because that would show a different intent. As it is the kid admitted to his friends that it was a joke. A little verbal scolding from the principle would have been plenty. You people who think you can created a perfect society are some of the most unforgiving people on the planet. You are actually the ones who create a world where we judge one another on the smallest of things. A world where we cannot trust one another, and a world where there is no forgiveness. Quite frankly...The more you get your way then the more the world is a sucky place to live.
240 posted on 02/12/2006 10:35:58 AM PST by Revel
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To: 1rudeboy

""hey judge, I know the undercover cop busted me for selling him a bag of dope, but it wasn't dope . . . it was oregano.""

What part of "He was not selling it" don't you understand?


241 posted on 02/12/2006 10:37:56 AM PST by Revel
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To: drhogan
1. accompany the police on a major bust of a donut shop.

2. i was really making fun of the guy defending the school policy, not making fun of the police

Bovine scat.

242 posted on 02/12/2006 10:39:21 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Thoeting

Easy. If there is no one in athority at the shcool who has been trained to know the difference between sugar and cocaine then you have a police officer stop by and check it out. The police do not need to arrest someone everytime they perform a comunity service. Our entire culture is being removed from common sense by those who are going to be the finger pointers in our brave new world.


243 posted on 02/12/2006 10:45:06 AM PST by Revel
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To: muawiyah

"We are truly in trouble if our teachers and school administrators are too stupid to tell the difference between cocaine and sugar."

Yes? So tell me, how do YOU tell the difference? What experience do you have with cocaine? Why would you think teachers and adminstrators would have sufficient experience to be able to tell one powery white substance from antoher?

Use your head for something besides a hatrack, okay?


244 posted on 02/12/2006 10:48:42 AM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: freepatriot32
"I have a fiance living in the philippines right now and I am very seriously thinking of moving there after i marry her and becoming a philippino citizen."

Probably someone you meant through correspondence? They are coming after you too. I just read an article the other day that says they are or have passed a law requiring you to give all of your personal information to the girl you are corresponding with. The reason why is because this one guy in all the world killed a couple of mail order brides. Therefore we have to have American laws to protect them from evil American's.

We also have to have laws making it a federal offense to make a joke about sugar. This country is just going off the deep end. I agree with your comments about the nature of this forum. It was founded for the purpose of protecting our freedoms and our way of life from politicians. But we might better rename it "BigBrother.com" for the benefit of those who like the direction this country is going in.
245 posted on 02/12/2006 10:55:34 AM PST by Revel
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To: robertpaulsen

"Should taxpayers fund these?"

No- I think they should deduct the cost of these from your social security check.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL


246 posted on 02/12/2006 10:58:55 AM PST by Revel
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To: mudblood

Another one of many poor reasons why this is happening. Thanks.


247 posted on 02/12/2006 11:03:51 AM PST by Revel
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To: Old Student

Geez old student, a rather uncalled for rude response to a fellow freeper who is actually expressing the obvious idiocy of the schools admins. Why the overboard asinine attitude?


248 posted on 02/12/2006 11:06:58 AM PST by KillTime (Democracies that can't distinguish between good and evil or deny any difference shall surely perish.)
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To: elkfersupper

LOL! Do you live in Oregon? I only had to show my driver's license and sign an acknowledgment to get my Sudafed a couple weeks ago - all while the pharmacist grumbled how insanely stupid this whole process was.


249 posted on 02/12/2006 11:09:03 AM PST by momfirst
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To: momfirst
LOL! Do you live in Oregon? I only had to show my driver's license and sign an acknowledgment to get my Sudafed a couple weeks ago - all while the pharmacist grumbled how insanely stupid this whole process was.

I live in NM, but this insanity is everywhere.

Wonder why you can't buy "strike anywhere" matches anymore? Same reason.

The reasons the pharmacists are mad is that this crap adds to their work load and makes them even more of a target than they already are.

One of these days, someone with a crushing headache who has already had a bad day will go postal on a pharmacist asking for ID. The pharmacists can see it coming.

250 posted on 02/12/2006 11:20:55 AM PST by elkfersupper
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