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Boy charged with felony for carrying sugar
suntimes ^ | February 11, 2006

Posted on 02/11/2006 4:11:34 PM PST by Revel

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To: Revel
"Look-alike drugs and substances can cause that same level of danger because staff and students are not equipped to differentiate between the two."

I'm not following the logic here.

151 posted on 02/11/2006 7:58:53 PM PST by wideminded
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To: Thoeting
Wintertime, be careful that you don't make outrageous comments that undermine your credibility. I think you have some good thoughts and ideas, but over-the-top comments place everything you say in question. You have a strong enough arguements for homeschooling from your own experiences as it is, no need to dress it up with "well, it COULD happen."

Thoeting,

If parents are sufficiently resistant of government school authorities, police, court orders, and the department of child welfare, it WILL happen. Parents are not stupid and not likely to push it that far any more than tax resisters do.

It is long past time that we properly describe the power that government schools have over our lives. See message #108.
152 posted on 02/11/2006 8:02:59 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
I had no prejudice against any school. I googled private schools and tuition and then posted Catholic, Christian, traditional and military. The list was much too long to post in its entirety. I did not post the most expensive or the least expensive, but a sample from the middle and a bit out on each end. I even mentioned that I knew of a Lutheran K-8 school that is FREE to anyone. FREE is a good price. It beats 50% off every day. So, how did I show a prejudice? Again, you toss around accusations that dilute your argument.

Your post supports what I said however, the schools connected with a church tend to be cheaper. Those that stand alone tend to be more. It averages out.

153 posted on 02/11/2006 8:04:16 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: wintertime

Cyclical arguments are tiring. Your logic is so filled with holes I don't know which one to address first. Therefore, I will not address your logic or lack thereof.


154 posted on 02/11/2006 8:06:51 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: Thoeting
Do they advertise it as cocaine?

They sell little baggies one isle over. I think we can make the connection. It's time to nail the Kroger cartel once and for all.

They sell oregano, too. That's fake pot.
155 posted on 02/11/2006 8:07:23 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Cute. Are you in middle school? Your arguments bear a striking resemblance to those created by my sixth graders.


156 posted on 02/11/2006 8:08:56 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: dufekin

On one particularly warm mid-winter day, we had just received a new student whose family relocated from Vermont. By lunch time, the cafeteria already had sold out of liquids, and she was showing obvious signs of severe heat stress aggravated by dehydration. Once we brought her situation to the attention of the principal, she did manage to recover with the assistance of a bucket of ice. (The school nurse declined to come to work, and given the rules and the condition of the building, no one else could even get her a drink of water.)( Dufekin)
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Dufekin,

This is CHILD ABUSE. What you have described of your school with the lack of water, and toilets is CHILD ABUSE.

If a private facility, such as a day care, private school or day camp, did this to children the owners would be rightfully arrested.

It is long past time that government school bureaucrats are held to the SAME child abuse standars, and standards for a safe environment, as are parents and those in private businesses.


157 posted on 02/11/2006 8:09:34 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Thoeting

You had better get cracking. I bet you most of those kides live in houses that are just bursting with fake drugs like sugar. And sandwich baggies. Time to get the DEA to kick in some doors.


158 posted on 02/11/2006 8:11:51 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Thoeting
Cyclical arguments are tiring. Your logic is so filled with holes I don't know which one to address first. Therefore, I will not address your logic or lack thereof. Thoeting,

Thoeting,

It is of no importance whatsoever if you address my arguments. What IS important, is that citizens begin to see government schools for the oppressive, police threat enforced, unconstitutional institutions that they are.

It is long past time that the language surrounding government schools changes.
159 posted on 02/11/2006 8:12:47 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: mysterio

I'll leave you in charge. You seem to have more ideas of how to handle it than I do. Enjoy. I have your back, really.


160 posted on 02/11/2006 8:14:29 PM PST by Thoeting
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To: mysterio
You had better get cracking. I bet you most of those kides live in houses that are just bursting with fake drugs like sugar. And sandwich baggies. Time to get the DEA to kick in some doors. ( mysterio)

Mysterio,

I am sitting here laughing and laughing.

It is time to portray government schools for the sad jokes that they are.
161 posted on 02/11/2006 8:14:53 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: mysterio


These guys are the Escobar of the gradeschool fake cocaine rings.
162 posted on 02/11/2006 8:16:35 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Thoeting

I'll be right back, I have to go down the street with the SWAT team to help them with the battering ram. There's a 10 year old with a powdered donut.


163 posted on 02/11/2006 8:18:13 PM PST by mysterio
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To: mysterio
mysterio,

I am laughing so hard, I am nearly apoplectic! Very funny!
164 posted on 02/11/2006 8:22:34 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime

It's laugh or cry. I guess you know which one I picked.


165 posted on 02/11/2006 8:25:32 PM PST by mysterio
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To: Thoeting
Cute. Are you in middle school? Your arguments bear a striking resemblance to those created by my sixth graders.( Thoeting)

Thoeting.

You are a government school teacher?
166 posted on 02/11/2006 8:28:17 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Revel
My dad was killed in 92 and as I am a Jr., we were in the same type of business, were well known and buglers had hit some homes while people were at local funerals, I hired a policeman to stay in my home for several hours while we were away. At the time one of the products I rep'ed was a white powder that when put on a liquid (oil spill) would absorb 50 times it's weight. As it came in large drums I would carry samples in plastic sandwich bags.

Since my children were young I kept it on a high shelf in my study closet. A day or so after the funeral I noticed that one bag was moved and a small amount was on the carpet. To this day I laugh thinking of that cop finding it and touching a bit to his tongue. In a second or two all the saliva in his mouth would have caused the product to swell up and stick together.

167 posted on 02/11/2006 8:28:23 PM PST by HoustonCurmudgeon (Justice and "The Law" are not always the same thing.)
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To: robertpaulsen

Thank you.


168 posted on 02/12/2006 4:51:22 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Verginius Rufus
Every grocery store in the state which sells powdered sugar is in violation of this law. Why aren't all the grocery store owners locked up as felons?

My guess is that grocery stores sell powdered sugar in packages marked "powdered sugar," but it's just a guess.

169 posted on 02/12/2006 4:58:26 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Politicalmom
"I guess all the pastry chefs in the state are in BIG trouble."

Only if they put powdered sugar in a baggie and attempt to pass it off as cocaine.

170 posted on 02/12/2006 6:22:58 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Pylot
We are observing the death of common sense.

Too late. We are observing the aftermath.

171 posted on 02/12/2006 6:25:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: elkfersupper

Actually, that's the response I should have used to describe your idiotic analogy, rather than trying to make a point by using it.


172 posted on 02/12/2006 6:25:41 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: elkfersupper

Stay out of the Great Wal of Mart and that won't happen........:o)

Honestly I had to do the same for allergy tabs, over the counter. I have bought houses faster than that crap at wally world !


173 posted on 02/12/2006 6:26:52 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: drhogan

You're kidding, right?


174 posted on 02/12/2006 6:38:28 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: mysterio
"You are actually for nailing a kid for the posession of sugar. That's just awesome."

Just for kicks, you may want to point out where I did that. If you can.

Maybe instead you'll note that I was answering the question, "But where is the felony?" posed by ApplegateRanch in post #26.

Nah. I'm sure it's much more fun to just make $hit up about other posters. You then think this makes you look hip and clever. Nope, it makes you look ignorant.

175 posted on 02/12/2006 6:49:58 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: elkfersupper
"Today, I had to show a passport, drivers license, proof of residence, social security card, sign an acknowledgement, and get a "designated package holder" to buy Sudafed."

I hear you. Congress should have just prohibited all medicines containing pseudoephedrine and been done with it, rather than having people go through the hassle.

What were they thinking?

176 posted on 02/12/2006 6:56:40 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Thoeting

OMG. A voice of sanity and reason. Be still my heart.


177 posted on 02/12/2006 6:59:15 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie

ping


178 posted on 02/12/2006 7:10:08 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Thoeting

I don't know what's more ludicrous -- Illinois law or the comments of some of these posters.


179 posted on 02/12/2006 7:10:46 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Thoeting; mysterio

No, but all that is needed is some other idiot to call it cocaine.


180 posted on 02/12/2006 7:14:16 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: 1rudeboy

You're welcome. It's nice to be appreciated.


181 posted on 02/12/2006 7:14:53 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen; Thoeting; Mojave
This falls under the statute of "look-alike" drugs because that is how he presented it to his friends. Had he showed the sugar to his friends and said "this is sugar for a Science experiment" there would have been no punishment.
The title is misleading. He was in trouble not for bringing sugar, but for bringing a product and claiming it was a drug. The "just kidding" comment does not erase the claims he made.
111 Thoeting


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OMG. A voice of sanity and reason. Be still my heart.
177 paulsen


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OMG. Another callous voice for drug insanity without reason. Be still my heart.
182 posted on 02/12/2006 7:15:37 AM PST by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
The posters...They remind me of teeanage boys snickering in a corner trying to think of ways to trick the principal of their school.

The kid brought a substance to school and claimed to his friends it was cocaine. The conversation was overheard by a custodian and reported. By law the principal must report this situation as he cannot make a determination of drug/non-drug.

The kid's mouth got him in trouble. Next time, if he brings sugar for an experiment, then he shouldn't claim it is cocaine.

The last time I checked at my neighborhood Safeway, powdered sugar is clearly labeled as powdered sugar without a side label saying "but, maybe it's cocaine? hee hee hee"

183 posted on 02/12/2006 7:19:04 AM PST by Thoeting
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To: wintertime

As for inner city schools, some minority families in inner city Baltimore were working second and third jobs for the tuition for such schools like you mention ($3000/yr tuition). These were the families that realized that the public schools in the inner city were little more than day-care centers. I have seen such "day care centers" in Newark NJ.


184 posted on 02/12/2006 7:21:05 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: robertpaulsen
Thanks for that.

I guess I fall into that 1/3 of our population that desires neither making or enforcing a bunch of silly rules, nor being governed by them.

You know, sort of like the attitude and position of the people who fought the Revolutionary War in this country.

How idiotic of me.

185 posted on 02/12/2006 7:21:34 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Squantos
5 hours south of here, I can buy all the cold and allergy medication I want without showing anything but currency.

I'm thinking about it.

186 posted on 02/12/2006 7:22:46 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: robertpaulsen
I hear you. Congress should have just prohibited all medicines containing pseudoephedrine and been done with it

If allowed to continue unchecked, I do believe we will be legislated and regulated back into the Middle Ages.

187 posted on 02/12/2006 7:24:49 AM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Revel

Not only did this kid have something that looked like cocaine in the bathroom, but the sinks in the bathroom dispensed a liquid that looked just like vodka.


188 posted on 02/12/2006 7:25:52 AM PST by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: digitalbrownshirt

As a dad of a couple of former 12 year old boys I could see them acting like idiots with their friends.




I could see me doing something like this. I probably would have too if I would have thought of it.


189 posted on 02/12/2006 7:27:21 AM PST by John D
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To: elkfersupper
I do believe we will be legislated and regulated back into the Middle Ages.

For your own good mind you, for your own good. /s

190 posted on 02/12/2006 7:29:39 AM PST by csvset
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To: robertpaulsen

I wonder how many people realize that practically the only reason this sort of a law is on the books in Illinois (and probably most other states as well) is to prevent some con-man from claiming in court, "hey judge, I know the undercover cop busted me for selling him a bag of dope, but it wasn't dope . . . it was oregano."


191 posted on 02/12/2006 7:31:36 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Thoeting
Next time, if he brings sugar for an experiment, then he shouldn't claim it is cocaine.

Too simple for the drug posters.

192 posted on 02/12/2006 7:44:09 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Revel

these are pathetic times. America has gone insane. It's like the people allegedly fighting the war on some drugs are all on drugs...or should be.


193 posted on 02/12/2006 7:45:36 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: elkfersupper
"I guess I fall into that 1/3 of our population that desires neither making or enforcing a bunch of silly rules, nor being governed by them."

First of all, the time to fight school policy is before your child breaks that policy, not afterwards.

Second, you're saying that you would support a school policy that allows kids to bring look-alike drugs to school? Geez, maybe they could use Monopoly money and do fake "deals" in the hallway between classes. Oh, and have fake drive-bys with fake guns.

You would, of course, allow look-alike guns, right? Hey, what's the harm?

And none of this would detract from a quality education.

194 posted on 02/12/2006 7:52:08 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Thoeting
The kid brought a substance to school and claimed to his friends it was cocaine. The conversation was overheard by a custodian and reported. By law the principal must report this situation as he cannot make a determination of drug/non-drug. ( Thodting)

Thoeting,

I agree with you the principal was boxed in legally and had few rational options.

My question to parents is, Why are you allowing your precious children to attend such a "box" filled with fruitcake laws?
195 posted on 02/12/2006 7:53:27 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revel
A "look-alike drug"?

Shouldn't that be a "drug look-alike"?

196 posted on 02/12/2006 7:54:41 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Crime cannot be tolerated. Criminals thrive on the indulgences of society's understanding.)
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To: elkfersupper
"I do believe we will be legislated and regulated back into the Middle Ages."

Only with our permission. We have an opportunity every two years to elect a whole new group to write our laws.

197 posted on 02/12/2006 7:55:00 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Second, you're saying that you would support a school policy that allows kids to bring look-alike drugs to school? ( Roberpaulsen)

Robertpaulsen,

Saying that I do not approve of "look-alike" drugs at does NOT mean that I approve of hauling a kid off to the police station if he does it.

I phone call to the parent, and a stern chat with the principal should be enough in most rational situations.

Government schools are child abuse. That is what has happened to this boy. Emotional Child abuse!

Geeze! An people wonder why boys are foundering in government schools and not making it in college?

To parents who are still sending children to government school:

WHY on earth are you doing this?????
198 posted on 02/12/2006 7:57:56 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revel

My nephew had to go to court and pay fines for bringing that shreeded beef jerky that looks like a can of tobacco to school last year.


199 posted on 02/12/2006 8:00:26 AM PST by Siouxz ( Freepers are the best!!!)
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To: wintertime
Once the child has a substance he has claimed is an illegal drug, how is the principal supposed to verify that it is indeed powdered sugar? I for one am NOT sticking my nose into a substance and making a guess, nor am I "tasting" it to guess what it is. I've never used cocaine and do not have any idea what it looks like.

Sorry, not my job to endanger my life.

200 posted on 02/12/2006 8:00:55 AM PST by Thoeting
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