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Stem cell debate: Should women get paid for eggs?
MS NBC ^ | 02.05.06 | Daniel S. Levine

Posted on 02/11/2006 4:56:56 PM PST by Coleus

The ad in the back pages of the free Washington, D.C., news weekly was curious enough, warning women that they or their loved ones could suffer from debilitating diseases like Parkinson's or cancer and inviting them to let their eggs "be part of the cure."

But it's had reverberations 2,500 miles away where a debate in California is raging over how scientists can acquire the human eggs critical to stem cell research -- specifically, whether it is ethical or even legal to pay women thousands of dollars to provide them.

The ad in the Jan. 3 issue of The Washington Post Express was identified in a Washington Post story as being for Advanced Cell Technology, a Worcester, Mass.-based company that is soon expected to announce plans to open an office in the Bay Area. Advanced Cell Technology would not confirm or deny placing the ad. It acknowledged it is talking to Washington-area clinics about egg procurement, an issue that's been complicated by Massachusetts' restrictions on payment other than "expenses" for egg donors.

"At this stage we are not soliciting anything other than donations," said William Caldwell, IV, CEO of Advanced Cell Technology, which in the past paid women $4,000 for time, effort and expenses relating to egg donation. "That may change. Our ethics advisory board and our historical practice have allowed us to pay woman for pain and suffering, as well as lost wages, as well as child care."

A national debate

The voter-established California Institute of Regenerative Medicine, formed to direct $3 billion into stem cell research, is scheduled to vote Feb. 10 on standards that will spell out to what extent women can be compensated for providing eggs used in research funded by the institute. It's expected to limit payment to expenses -- but to broadly interpret expenses

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioethics; bodypartsmarket; bravenewworld; eggsforsale; embryo; embryonicstemcell; embryonicstemcells; scnt; stemcells
therapeutic Cloning, now doesn't that sound just real nice, you clone to help the ill.  But what's behind the phrase "therapeutic cloning"?  Barbarism, that's what's behind it.  It's really called Somatic Cell Nuclear Transfer otherwise known as FETAL FARMING.  The way I understand it is this:  They get a donor egg and take out its nucleus and the nucleus from the cell of another person is inserted, then a small electric current is applied to the cell and an embryo/new baby is formed.   That's right, they clone a human, grow the baby in a surrogate mother while the baby is nourished and grows to 9 months of gestation.  Then the baby is killed  and is taken apart, piece by piece for its kidneys, liver, heart, corneas, cells, etc.  Sounds gruesome? It will never happen?  Well, it's in the laws in the state of NJ and CA.  Once the technology is available, it's already approved law.   Some nation we turned out to be.

FR Links:  scnt

The First Human Cloned Embryo
Human Cloning a Reminder of Nazis, Says Orthodox
Krauthammer: The Great Stem Cell Hoax

1 posted on 02/11/2006 4:56:58 PM PST by Coleus
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


2 posted on 02/11/2006 4:57:16 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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Embryo Vivisection and Elusive Promises Act--California Stem Cell Research and Cures Initiative
3 posted on 02/11/2006 4:58:02 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus

Disgusting, what's next, offering women money to have abortions?


4 posted on 02/11/2006 4:58:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Coleus

I think that, if a state/country allows this research, it makes no sense for purchasing eggs to be illegal


5 posted on 02/11/2006 5:03:33 PM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: wagglebee
Disgusting, what's next, offering women money to have abortions?

Well, an egg isn't a baby so I wouldn't equate the two. Men sell their sperm. Not for medical research but much of the point is the same. And sperm is often, shall we say "autonomously spilled", by oh about 100% of the male population.

6 posted on 02/11/2006 5:03:57 PM PST by Uncledave (It takes some pretty serious yodeling to call for a filibuster from a five-star ski resort)
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To: Coleus

No. But they will. Men get paid for sperm.


7 posted on 02/11/2006 5:11:31 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Uncledave

Well, an egg isn't a baby so I wouldn't equate the two. >>

Please read the article and the other links provided, the eggs/oocytes are being sold for the sole purpose of using the scnt process then grow a baby to term, kill it, then harvest it for its parts. Fetal Farming.


8 posted on 02/11/2006 5:16:35 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Yea, I know, but the sperm isn't used for fetal farming, the eggs/oocytes are.
9 posted on 02/11/2006 5:18:05 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Tax-chick

I think that, if a state/country allows this research, it makes no sense for purchasing eggs to be illegal >>

Yea, I know, it is kind of strange, the weird thing is that selling eggs is against the law while fetal farming is allowed in two states while congress sits on their rears allowing a cloning bill languish. It defies logic, but then again the government is involved. I guess once the public sees that eggs are being sold, they may look further into what the govt. approved and why the eggs are needed in the first place.


10 posted on 02/11/2006 5:21:36 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Uncledave; The Ghost of FReepers Past; Coleus

Sperm banks exist for women who want to get pregnant so they can have a baby -- harvesting eggs to be used in Mengele-style science experiments by the Culture of Death is completely different.


11 posted on 02/11/2006 5:22:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Coleus
With one hand, Big Pharma is patenting every part of the human genome its lawyers can get their mitts on; with the other, it hides behind a mask of moral high-mindedness when it comes to paying people for medical products from human donors.

Many of my fellow old-timers will remember when "blood bank" was NOT just an expression - these places functioned like actual banks. The blood you gave was accounted for, and if you needed surgical blood years later, you got credit for units you had donated. You could also sign over units to relatives and friends to mitigate their medical bills. No longer: no matter how much blood you donate, you get gouged for every unit you use.

12 posted on 02/11/2006 5:23:19 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: wagglebee; Coleus
I agree with you guys. I'm just saying that I think they will get paid and that the reason differences won't matter.

The issue is really all about the money anyway. They'll get paid because that's the only way this thing will get off the ground and be profitable.

13 posted on 02/11/2006 5:32:34 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: BlazingArizona
No longer: no matter how much blood you donate, you get gouged for every unit you use. >>

i don't like that new policy, what they tell donors now is that they can't guarantee blood if no blood is there. Many donors call their donor chairmen for blood for a loved one and all they can tell them that it's on a first-come first-served basis by FDA rules.
14 posted on 02/11/2006 5:34:10 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I have a feeling that most of the legislators in this country have money invested in these enterprises.


15 posted on 02/11/2006 5:35:47 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus
People that mess with the sanctity of innocent life certainly must have no comprehension of the evil they are dealing with, or they wouldn't mess around with it.

There is a great and Holy Recorder of this world's affairs, and not one nanosecond goes without record.
16 posted on 02/11/2006 5:37:10 PM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Coleus
It defies logic, but then again the government is involved.

Excellent summary! It doesn't make sense. Paying for eggs for in-vitro fertilization is legal, but paying for babies to be carried to term (for adoption) instead of aborted isn't.

17 posted on 02/11/2006 5:49:37 PM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: Coleus
>>>Advanced Cell Technology, which in the past paid women $4,000 for time

Sheesh, in NY/NJ they offer $7,000.




Ya know, I would really be worried about conditions where women are being recommended hysterectomies now. Is the recommendation for harvesting???
18 posted on 02/11/2006 5:52:13 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Coleus

bttt


19 posted on 02/11/2006 5:55:36 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Coleus
I have a feeling that most of the legislators in this country have money invested in these enterprises.

I hate to be the one to bring this up, but when you consider all of the corporate grants and foundations and couple that with the money invested in mutual funds (including IRAs and 401Ks), pension funds and so forth, the chances are that just about every one of us has money invested in the Culture of Death.

I think if they marketed it right, a pro-life investment fund that thoroughly researched the interactions between the companies it invests in would be a huge success.

20 posted on 02/11/2006 6:08:30 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Coleus

If it saves me or one of my loved ones from death or disability, it's fine by me.


21 posted on 02/11/2006 6:41:27 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Allan

fyi


22 posted on 02/11/2006 7:16:09 PM PST by ARridgerunner
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To: Coleus
Yea, I know, but the sperm isn't used for fetal farming, the eggs/oocytes are.

Virgin not-Birth?

23 posted on 02/11/2006 7:18:21 PM PST by null and void (<---- Aged to perfection, and beyond...)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
No. But they will. Men get paid for sperm.

You're kidding. How much?

24 posted on 02/11/2006 7:38:21 PM PST by montag813
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To: Calpernia
Sheesh, in NY/NJ they offer $7,000.

Per egg? What is involved in removal of an egg? Long needle, or major surgery?

25 posted on 02/11/2006 7:39:55 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

I actually don't know. They don't give the details on the radio ads.


26 posted on 02/11/2006 7:45:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Coleus
i don't like that new policy, what they tell donors now is that they can't guarantee blood if no blood is there. Many donors call their donor chairmen for blood for a loved one and all they can tell them that it's on a first-come first-served basis by FDA rules.

Since blood you get in surgery is not "your" blood, your past donations were never any guarantee of supply. But have you noticed that today's "donation centers" are continually whining about lack of blood? Under the old blood banking system, you never heard of shortages, because the incentive of saving credit assured that there were always enough donors to keep the blood supply up.

27 posted on 02/11/2006 8:19:42 PM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Coleus
I'd say you understand it pretty well ... except the new human being is fair game from embryo age to nine months of gestation, not the full term of course because that would be farming 'babies'. You see, the flaw in the leftist dissembling is in the dehumanization of the newly alive human being; embryo is an age all of us reading this script went through in our individual lifetime, thus the dehumanization of the earliest ages must be slipped past the public's understanding in this debate in order to hide the cannibalism of the clone and kill technology.

Note the following: "That may change. Our ethics advisory board and our historical practice have allowed us to pay woman for pain and suffering, as well as lost wages, as well as child care." Child care?! What about the child newly alive in the somatic cell nuclear transfer? [And being alive in a petri dish doesn't mean the new human isn't differentiating cells for his or her survival, because the petri-dish-being must task some cells to build the organs (plac4enta and umbilicus) for survival in the water world of the uterus --or artificial womb; they're already working feverishly on that environ, with an artificial womb already able to keep a goat fetus alive for at least seventeen weeks-- beginning as early as the 16 cell stage!] Care? Harvest it! Care for older humans by cannibalizing youngest humans, THAT'S what this is all about, though the BM (big media) will never tell that truth and risk the American people rejecting the agenda.

28 posted on 02/11/2006 10:53:33 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: wagglebee

Not far off with that comment. Did you know that some abortuaries advise pregnant women of two or three months pregnancy to wait until after the sixteenth week of gestation, to perform abortions when the alive human will not come apart so easily when jerked from the woman's body with metal forceps? Those harvested babies are more valued on the tissues for research market also!


29 posted on 02/11/2006 10:57:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Coleus

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786843/posts


Eggs will be bought and paid for in Great Britain, according to this article


30 posted on 02/18/2007 3:17:34 AM PST by YaYa123
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To: BlazingArizona
With one hand, Big Pharma is patenting every part of the human genome
its lawyers can get their mitts on; with the other, it hides behind
a mask of moral high-mindedness when it comes to paying people for
medical products from human donors.


Agreed.
One of the first signs of cracks in the reputation of the South
Korean "cloner" was the question of how he'd gotten human eggs.
I was a bit suprised to hear the general thought in the scientific "ethics"
arena was that eggs should be donated, not sold.

Embryonic stem-cell workers say they are just working with
a purely materialistic phenonmenon in terms of embryonic stem cells.
Not much different than buying lumber in order to build houses.

But when it comes time to obtain the raw materials like any company
does....they want the necessary raw materials for FREE!

What a bunch of hypocrites.
31 posted on 02/18/2007 3:28:29 AM PST by VOA
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To: YaYa123
thanks for the ping.. Here's another article.
Study: Women Who Donate Eggs For Fertility Research Face Loss of Life and Limb

32 posted on 02/19/2007 10:07:12 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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