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Churches to mark Darwin's birthday (Tomorrow is 'Darwin Day'!)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 11 Feb 2006

Posted on 02/11/2006 5:52:00 PM PST by gobucks

NEW YORK -- Nearly 450 Christian churches around the country plan to celebrate the 197th birthday of Charles Darwin on Sunday with programs and sermons intended to emphasize that his theory of biological evolution is compatible with faith and that Christians have no need to choose between religion and science. "It's to demonstrate, by Christian leaders and members of the clergy, that you don't have to make that choice. You can have both," said Michael Zimmerman, dean of College of Letters and Sciences at University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, who organized the event.

(snip) "Evolution Sunday" has drawn participation from a variety of denominational and non-denominational churches, including Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Unitarian, Congregationalist, United Church of Christ, Baptist and a host of community churches, including at least 16 congregations in Illinois.

The event grew out of Zimmerman's The Clergy Letter Project, another effort to dispel the perception among many Christians that faith and evolution are mutually exclusive.

..the project has drawn 10,000 Christian clerics to sign a letter that concludes, "We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth."

Zimmerman said the letter project and the Sunday event were designed to educate Americans about two things. "The first part was to demonstrate to the American public that the shrill fundamentalist voices that were demanding that people had to choose between religion and science were simply wrong," he said.

"The second part was to demonstrate that those fundamentalist leaders that keep standing up and shouting that you can't accept modern science were not speaking for the majority of Christian leaders in this country."

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Zimmerman's Clergy Letter Project: funny, but they didn't excerpt the one part I found really interesting ... the 'truth' claim. Well, here is his entire letter:

Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible--the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark--convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.

We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as "one theory among others" is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God's good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God's loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.

Well now, quite a letter for 10,000 Christian clergy to sign. Quite a feat Mr. Zimmerman.

1 posted on 02/11/2006 5:52:01 PM PST by gobucks
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To: gobucks; crazyhorse691
...and this was a related thread a couple of weeks ago:

Evolution Sunday(liberal churches attack fundamentalism).

2 posted on 02/11/2006 5:53:59 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks

3 posted on 02/11/2006 5:55:21 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina (I've upped my standards! Up yours!)
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To: gobucks
What idiot will receive a Darwin Award tomorrow?
4 posted on 02/11/2006 5:58:05 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
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5 posted on 02/11/2006 6:00:14 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: gobucks
I've never found a disconnect between faith and evolution.

God is the ultimate scientist.

6 posted on 02/11/2006 6:00:46 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: gobucks
"Zimmerman said the letter project and the Sunday event were designed to educate Americans about two things. "The first part was to demonstrate to the American public that the shrill fundamentalist voices that were demanding that people had to choose between religion and science were simply wrong," he said

What a boob.....I don't think anyone is "demanding that people had to choose between religion and science"....they are demanding a PLACE at the TABLE (in school) FOR RELIGION. SHEESH. (see my tagline)

7 posted on 02/11/2006 6:02:43 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: gobucks

Isa 48:3 ... I have declared the former things from the beginning; and they went forth out of My mouth, and I shewed them; I did [them] SUDDENLY, and they came to pass.

Don't care what 10,000 preachers say tomorrow, that's His story and I'm stickin' to it.


8 posted on 02/11/2006 6:02:50 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: PatrickHenry

Ping?


9 posted on 02/11/2006 6:03:23 PM PST by indcons
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To: gobucks
"Churches to mark Darwin's birthday."

(In Churchlady's voice):

Well, isn't that Special!!
10 posted on 02/11/2006 6:04:26 PM PST by RedMonqey (People who don't who stand for something, will fall for anything.)
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To: All

fwiw, the Darwin Day craze was started in 1994 by, ahem, a San Francisco Area resident, a Mr. Stephens, who started the whole thing. Just what is it about living in an earthquake zone that starts this stuff?

Oh, this is the beginning of his Mission Statement:

"Mission Statement

The dual mission of Darwin Day Celebration is to promote public education about science and in addition to encourage the celebration of Science and Humanity throughout the global community including the general public, private and public institutions, science professionals, science educators at all levels, libraries, museums, the print and electronic media, and science enthusiasts everywhere.

Science is our most reliable knowledge system. It has been, and continues to be, acquired solely through the application of human curiosity and ingenuity and, most importantly, it has provided enormous benefit to the health, prosperity and intellectual satisfaction for our human existence.

These are worthy achievements for all people to celebrate!

Well, interesting Mr. Stephens, interesting. Soon enough, we'll learn that Darwin was born in a manger as well I'm sure...


11 posted on 02/11/2006 6:05:38 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: goodnesswins
they are demanding a PLACE at the TABLE (in school) FOR RELIGION

Which one? According to this website there are about 4,200 "religions, churches, denominations, religious bodies, faith groups, tribes, cultures, movements, ultimate concerns, etc."

Did you have a particular one in mind (yours, perhaps)?

12 posted on 02/11/2006 6:10:05 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: gobucks
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article.asp?aid=12102024_1

Excellent article on this subject.
13 posted on 02/11/2006 6:11:06 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: indcons; Junior
Nah. It's a creationist's thread. Let'em have their fun. Junior, archive?
14 posted on 02/11/2006 6:12:18 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: gobucks
As the great deceiver Satan has always done use a little truth and a lot of lie to get the sheep to follow.

Many will continue to follow these lost leaders down the wrong path.

Matthew 7:13-18
13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
15 posted on 02/11/2006 6:12:38 PM PST by Creationist (If the earth is old show me your proof. Salvation from the judgment of your sins is free.)
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To: gobucks

Darwin sleeps with the fishes.


16 posted on 02/11/2006 6:18:15 PM PST by fzx12345 (Three lefts don't make a right; they invent one.)
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To: Coyoteman

how about we get rid of ALL of them, including DARWINISM? HHMMMMMMMMMMM.....in other words, there are many similarities between religions of the West, and YOU know that....if you want to study the Occult, you can do that on your own time. Otherwise, go back to the beginning of this country, and you'll find that public education was based on religious study.....


17 posted on 02/11/2006 6:18:52 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: gobucks
Considering that there over 300,000 Protestant churches in the United States, and that there is, on average, one "clergyperson" per church (probably higher than that actually), 10,000 clergy, from a little over 400 churches, is really a very small percentage. Not saying much, if you were to ask me

Litekeeper
Chaplain, US Army, retired

18 posted on 02/11/2006 6:18:56 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: gobucks
Darwin Day -- a day to visit Darwin. Must be pretty expensive from most places given its remote location.

It would make more sense to celebrate Thomas Alva Edison's birthday (Feb. 11) since Edison's contributions to the modern world are of a more practical character than Darwin's.

Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln were born on the same day (same year).

19 posted on 02/11/2006 6:23:48 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: gobucks
In other words, theories of man trump revelations of God. That's not my brand of Christianity. If you will notice, the list of signers includes mostly liberal denominations who don't believe much if not most of what the Bible says anyway. So why would they believe Genesis?

To each their own, but this carries as much weight as the same group of "Christian" liberals signing a petition in support of abortion or gay marriage (which most of the above would also sign).

20 posted on 02/11/2006 6:26:06 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Coyoteman
Which one?

Uh, This country was founded as a Christian nation, not a religious cafeteria. But we're so tolerant we allow you to worship this!

21 posted on 02/11/2006 6:29:22 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: fzx12345

By now, Darwin has recreated as a fish several times.


22 posted on 02/11/2006 6:30:54 PM PST by Thebaddog (Dog can like cats who are cool)
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To: gobucks
http://www.blackmask.com/Liberal_Arts/Charles_Darwin/more2.html

I am sure many people talking about Darwin have never read his book "Origin of Species".
Above URL is free and might give some insight.

The Origin of Species by means of Natural Selection
From the most remote period in the history of the world organic beings have been found to resemble each other in descending degrees, so that they can be classed in groups under groups. This classification is not arbitrary like the grouping of the stars in constellations. The existence of groups would have been of simple significance, if one group had been exclusively fitted to inhabit the land, and another the water; one to feed on flesh, another on vegetable matter, and so on;

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23 posted on 02/11/2006 6:37:52 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.)
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To: gobucks

Darwin Day? Why not? Have it on a work day so we can all stay home and FReep. And while we're at it, since we had a crypto-Marxist day a week or two ago, why not celebrate the third godfather of the 20th century's atrocities with a Freud Day, also on a work day?


24 posted on 02/11/2006 6:45:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: PatrickHenry

My guess is 90% of these people voted for Kerry and hate George Bush. Just a hunch having had some exposure to these "clergy."


25 posted on 02/11/2006 7:00:57 PM PST by Snowbelt Man (ideas have consequences)
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To: Snowbelt Man

Yes, they are likely, though not necessarily, "wet" Christians....those who believe in, as C.S. Lewis put it, Christianity and water. Basically, Jesus as a philosopher and that's it...no miracles, no virgin birth, no resurrection.


26 posted on 02/11/2006 7:08:40 PM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
You forgot to use the full title of the book. You need to include "or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" is far too often left off the title. But that is the one that it was originally published with.

Who were the "not-favored" races...the Zulus that the British were fighting with, along with all of the other African tribes, and, of course, the Aborigines of Australia.

27 posted on 02/11/2006 7:43:24 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper

In 1859, "race" and "species" were used somewhat interchangably. Darwin's work helped to refine the ideas. This led to the modern understanding that all present humans are of the same species.

Of course, you ignore the species that went extinct, possibly as a result of poor design and poor planning from the supposed "Intelligent Designer".


28 posted on 02/11/2006 8:03:49 PM PST by thomaswest (Labeling: My religion is the one true faith; yours is a cult.)
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To: gobucks

What is truth? Definitely not something of man. So how can there be scientific truth? There can't be.End of story.


29 posted on 02/11/2006 8:08:43 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: taxesareforever
What is truth? Definitely not something of man. So how can there be scientific truth? There can't be.End of story.

Mankind has come up with some truths. One good example -- slavery is absolutely wrong.

Surely you can agree with that?

30 posted on 02/11/2006 8:14:45 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: gobucks


Richard Dawkins, Britain's greatest public intellectual, shown here in meditation, will address the church groups via satellite link. This reverses his long held position that he will not speak to or otherwise acknowledge the existence of people of faith.

His speech will address the attitude they should adopt in the presence of superior beings such as himself so as not to annoy or otherwise give offence. He hopes to be able to help them someday be accepted into sophisticated society, in dimminished circumstances, of course.

He attributes his change of heart to a powerful vision he had several months ago after falling down a flight of stairs. Both he and his wife are appalled by this turn of events, she to the extent of refusing him sex, meal preparation, washing his socks and underwear, and other creaturely comforts.

Although usually a strong-willed person - he has been dubbed "Darwin's Rottweiller" in a play on Huxley's "Darwin's bulldog"- he finds the urge to reach out irresistible and occasionally hears a voice commanding him to do so.

Although he has rejected psychotherapy on grounds there is no psyche, he has taken up Tantric meditiation and hired a masseuse (you know what I mean), a cook and laundress in hopes of restoring some degree of normalcy in his life.
31 posted on 02/11/2006 8:19:19 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; plain talk; ...
(((Creationist Ping)))



You have been pinged because of your interest regarding matters of Creation vs. Evolution - from the Creationist perspective. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."



Reminder!

I'm guessing that no one here attends a church that does this, but I wouldn't sit for it if that's what they're going to do.
32 posted on 02/11/2006 8:42:59 PM PST by DaveLoneRanger (I'm currently debating a big-time peace activist. I'll post it, so ping/mail me to read it when I do)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Me neither


33 posted on 02/11/2006 9:06:03 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: thomaswest

I reject your premise that "race" and "species" were interchangable. Any evidence of the same?


34 posted on 02/11/2006 9:10:44 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: goodnesswins; gobucks
What a boob.....I don't think anyone is "demanding that people had to choose between religion and science"....they are demanding a PLACE at the TABLE (in school) FOR RELIGION. SHEESH. (see my tagline)

A PLACE at the TABLE or A SEAT in the PEW (in Church)? (see my tagline)

36 posted on 02/11/2006 9:20:14 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken. That's Cobb County, Georgia)
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To: PatrickHenry

It would be interesting to know how many are named Steve.


37 posted on 02/11/2006 9:27:30 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Verginius Rufus
It would make more sense to celebrate Thomas Alva Edison's birthday (Feb. 11) since Edison's contributions to the modern world are of a more practical character than Darwin's.

It would make sense for those of you that are already in
bed because electric lights and electricity don't exist.

There would still be a very ugly and very vocal minority
protesting against Edison because something as intricate
as a motion picture projector could not have been invented
by a human without supernatural intervention.

38 posted on 02/11/2006 9:40:47 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken. That's Cobb County, Georgia)
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To: taxesareforever; Gunslingr3
What is truth? Definitely not something of man. So how can there be scientific truth? There can't be.End of story.

Tell me about it. That Darwin was a madman, theorizing that creatures that do things better over time are more successful. And the very idea that things change over time! Shocking! One has only to look at a tree or a human being to know that everything is static.

It's much more likely that the Almighty Creator of the Universe would choose to reveal himself by magically impregnating a virgin with Himself so he could commit ritualistic suicide to set an example for all of us.

39 posted on 02/11/2006 9:40:52 PM PST by Jonathon Spectre (Nazis believed they were doing good.)
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To: LiteKeeper

I do not believe you have ever read his book.


40 posted on 02/11/2006 9:41:39 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.)
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To: Jo Nuvark
Isa 48:3 ...

// Don't care what 10,000 preachers say tomorrow, that's His story and I'm stickin' to it//

I hear you bump.

Wolf
41 posted on 02/11/2006 9:44:02 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Actually I have, and in fact use it frequently in my teaching.


42 posted on 02/11/2006 9:59:01 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper
It is scarcely possible to avoid comparing the eye with a telescope. We know that this instrument has been perfected by the long−continued efforts of the highest human intellects; and we naturally infer that the eye has been formed by a somewhat analogous process. But may not this inference be presumptuous? Have we any right to assume that the Creator works by intellectual powers like those of man? If we must compare the eye to an optical instrument, we ought in imagination to take a thick layer of transparent tissue, with spaces filled with fluid, and with a nerve sensitive to light beneath, and then suppose every part of this layer to be continually changing slowly in density, so as to separate into layers of different densities and thicknesses, placed at different distances from each other, and with the surfaces of each layer slowly changing in form. Further we must suppose that there is a power, represented by natural selection or the survival of the fittest, always intently watching each slight alteration in the transparent layers; and carefully preserving each which, under varied circumstances, in any way or degree, tends to produce a distincter image. We must suppose each new state of the instrument to be multiplied by the million; each to be preserved until a better is produced, and then the old ones to be all destroyed. In living bodies, variation will cause the slight alteration, generation will multiply them almost infinitely, and natural selection will pick out with unerring skill each improvement. Let this process go on for millions of years; and during each year on millions of individuals of many kinds; and may we not believe that a living optical instrument might thus be formed as superior to one of glass, as the works of the Creator are to those of man?
43 posted on 02/11/2006 10:04:23 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (“Don't approach a Bull from the front, a Horse from the rear, or a Fool from any side.”)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I am very familiar with this passage, and cite it often. What's your point?


44 posted on 02/11/2006 10:08:23 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper
You need to include "or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life" is far too often left off the title. But that is the one that it was originally published with.

Who were the "not-favored" races...the Zulus that the British were fighting with, along with all of the other African tribes, and, of course, the Aborigines of Australia.

This isn't magic! If you understood Darwin the only conclusion
you could come to is that the existing Races were Favored and
therefore were Preserved as evidenced by the fact that they
still existed up to that moment.

Your effort to twist the observation of natural selection into some
filthy Nazi plot is disgusting!

45 posted on 02/11/2006 10:09:50 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

So when do they start exchanging gifts on it?

mm


46 posted on 02/11/2006 10:10:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: higgmeister

You people keep putting words in my mouth which I have not spoken, or written. Can't you do any better than that?


47 posted on 02/11/2006 10:11:31 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"'To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.'

Guess who said this?

48 posted on 02/11/2006 10:12:37 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: LiteKeeper
"Guess who said this?"

Ummmm...Charlie?

49 posted on 02/11/2006 10:18:10 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: Coyoteman

Sorry. We are talking about truth.


50 posted on 02/11/2006 10:47:27 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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