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VOTERS OVER THE HILL (Clinton's support hits rock bottom)
NY POST ^ | February 12, 2006 | IAN BISHOP, Post Correspondent

Posted on 02/12/2006 3:54:14 AM PST by Liz

The GOP is seeing the first signs that it's made some nicks in Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's political armor in a new poll that shows her support dropping dramatically.

RasmussenReports.com surveyed Clinton's presidential hopes every two weeks over the last year.....found that support for her presidential ambitions has hit rock bottom............

Now just 27 percent say they'd definitely vote for her — down seven points from the start of the year — and 43 percent say there's no way they'd cast a ballot for her, an eight-point uptick in the past month.

Pollster Scott Rasmussen, who accurately forecast the outcome of the 2004 White House race, said Clinton's support has plummeted among men and party faithful.

This poll is the latest in a trend of weakening support for her White House hopes. She now has a 47 percent unfavorable rating, and 45 percent of respondents say she's a political liberal.

Those are the two key points GOP strategists are aiming to expand in the eyes of voters in America's heartland —the Midwestern states that will likely swing the election in 2008.

"As 2008 gets closer, she'll have to go to the left to win. We'll try to roll her further in that direction," one GOPer told The Post. "She's been talking moderate, but she has a liberal voting record — and we'll point that out and why she's trying to hide from it."

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KEYWORDS: hillary2008; hillarymeter; mrsbillclinton; triangulation
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"She's been talking moderate, but she has a liberal voting record...."

She's just a liberal schizoid who needs intense aversion therapy.

1 posted on 02/12/2006 3:54:16 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Hillary doesn't have the ability to BS nearly as well as Bill. Very few people anywhere look as good as Bill or speak as well as Bill in front of the TV camera.

On the other hand she will have the full support of the mainstream media during any campaign for office. Although the mainstream media has lost much of their ability to shape the the news they are not powerless. They are still a force to be reckoned with.
2 posted on 02/12/2006 4:07:34 AM PST by saneright
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To: Liz
"Now just 27 percent say they'd definitely vote for her"

27% Eyes Wide Shut.
27% Stuck on Stupid.

3 posted on 02/12/2006 4:11:41 AM PST by DeaconRed (IF . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Liz

Run Hillary Run!


4 posted on 02/12/2006 4:13:23 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Liz

Yo, MSM!

OK, Bush is dtupid, Hillary is president, Bush spies on innocent Americans, Cindy is American hero, Murtha is a military genius, Alito is going to kill abortions, Schumer and Fatteddy know the best (filibuster, filibuster), cowboys are gay, we need to negotiate world peace, global warming is killing us....

We got it already, can we switch to ssssnow?


5 posted on 02/12/2006 4:15:37 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (ffffFReeeePeee!)
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To: Liz

6 posted on 02/12/2006 4:15:39 AM PST by damncat
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To: PGalt
Ever wonder what Hilary will look like in 10 years? Keep her in NooYawk! Image hosting by Photobucket
7 posted on 02/12/2006 4:16:14 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (MAY I DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, BUAIDH NO BAS)
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To: Liz

I heard last week that another poll showed 51% would no way, no how, vote for Hitlery.


8 posted on 02/12/2006 4:16:25 AM PST by moonman
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To: Liz

I am getting worried about Hitlerly...I think conservatives should start talking nice about her and encourage dummycraps to nominate her. She will turn out even better for the GOP than that flip-flop pathological liar JFK.


9 posted on 02/12/2006 4:18:14 AM PST by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: moonman

A strong thrid party canidate and we have Hillary in the white house ala Bill Clinton with 46%of the vote


10 posted on 02/12/2006 4:19:14 AM PST by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: Liz

These people seem to burn their bridges as I note Ourkinsaw is not asking them to come home.


11 posted on 02/12/2006 4:24:04 AM PST by zipp_city
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To: al baby

yeah, very possible


12 posted on 02/12/2006 4:32:30 AM PST by moonman
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To: AZRepublican
She will turn out even better for the GOP than that flip-flop pathological liar JFK

When/if she is in the national spotlight again all the Billary crimes will also be back in the national spotlight. Bring it on! Seems that two people with so much to hide would just slither back under their cow patty.

13 posted on 02/12/2006 4:35:15 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Liz

She moved rightward, the lefties didn't like it, and the righties didn't believe it.


14 posted on 02/12/2006 4:35:50 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: al baby

A strong third party candidate and we have Hillary in the White House ala Bill Clinton with 46% of the vote.........

Enter angry John McCain.


15 posted on 02/12/2006 4:35:54 AM PST by Grateful One
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To: AZRepublican; Liz

<< ..... that flip-flop pathological liar JFK .... >>

I don't think it's nice to call Mr Kerry a flip-flopping pathological liar.

Or fair.

Or decent.

Or even necessary.

When traitor already covers him pretty darned well.


16 posted on 02/12/2006 4:40:10 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Voter#537

"27% Eyes Wide Shut.
27% Stuck on Stupid."

Now now. We took offense when the Kerry people said that 52% of Americans have no clue what they are doing when they voted for Bush. Let's not accuse people of being morons quite yet. Let's just say that their ideology is based on being looked after by mother Hillary and her Marxist ideology.

OK, now you can call them morons.


17 posted on 02/12/2006 4:46:46 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz ("We don't need POLITICIANS...we need STATESMEN.")
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To: AZRepublican

Which turd you talking about? John f. Kennedy or John f. Kerry?
Both liars.


18 posted on 02/12/2006 4:58:00 AM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Liz

Numbers like this are exactly why John Spencer has a chance to do major damage to her. Please check out his website.

http://www.joinspencer.com


19 posted on 02/12/2006 5:04:52 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (We will never murtha to the terrorists. Bring home the troops means bring home the war.)
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To: al baby
A strong thrid party canidate and we have Hillary in the white house ala Bill Clinton with 46%of the vote

Actually, IIRC it was 43% of the vote.

20 posted on 02/12/2006 5:07:26 AM PST by jslade (Liberalism ALWAYS accomplishes the exact opposite of it's stated intent!)
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To: Liz

Let's also not downplay Iran. No matter what she does to portray herself as moderate, she does not have credibility on security matters. This hurts her badly.

The other thing that stuck was when our beloved Ken Mehlman pointed out that she has anger issues. And even the Dems acknowledged that it stuck. But the Beeste, having something of a tin ear politically when it comes to administering self criticism, launched a volley for Dems to speak up.

Which had the glorious effect of crankifying her ;-)

People in her own party are coming to the conclusion that she really didn't get ahead as her own person and are understanding that she's poison to their party. But because the party requires total deference to leadership (for the children), she will deal a heavy blow to the DNC.


21 posted on 02/12/2006 5:08:57 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: saneright

"Although the mainstream media has lost much of their ability to shape the the news they are not powerless. They are still a force to be reckoned with."

A couple years back I'd have agreed with you. No longer. The dwindling power of the old media is precisely why hitlery is going nowhere. They can't rescue her from herself, her nasty demeanor and her liberalism, which is contrary to what most voters want.

:)


22 posted on 02/12/2006 5:09:11 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Grateful One

"Enter angry John McCain. "

McVain isn't about to abandon his senate leadership and his committee appointments to anyone. Why would he switch parties so "hitlery can win"? What does he owe her? He's a bloated egomaniacal loser who can't win himself, he can't run against Bush, so why would he move to another party to allow for hitlery to win?

I'm not buying it.


23 posted on 02/12/2006 5:12:40 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Liz

This is not good news, it's bad news. There's only one direction to go once you've hit rock bottom. She has two years to deal with this. Soon we'll be reading stories about Hillary's amazing comeback, how she's reconnected with the people, etc. The time for stories like this is February 2008, not 2006. It's all a setup for her great rally.


24 posted on 02/12/2006 5:12:46 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Liz

Her big mistake, and a fatal one, was becoming a senator. For people who are supposed to be so politically savy, I can't imagine why they would do something so stupid.


25 posted on 02/12/2006 5:14:47 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: Liz

Now can I have a different senator. Please.


26 posted on 02/12/2006 5:16:00 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: Liz
Saw her on TV about a week ago, sitting on a stage being fawned over by some media hack (I think it was this gig.) Wish I could find a pic, HRC looked like she was doing her best to look like Chairman Mao.
27 posted on 02/12/2006 5:19:48 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: McGavin999
Her big mistake, and a fatal one, was becoming a senator. For people who are supposed to be so politically savy, I can't imagine why they would do something so stupid.

Why was it so fatal? Seems like a position of power to build for the future from.
28 posted on 02/12/2006 5:22:31 AM PST by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: saneright
Hillary doesn't have the ability to BS nearly as well as Bill.

She's NOTHING without him.

Together... Bill & Hillary Clinton make up one helluva dangerous individual. Bill's smarmy, mollasses charm combined with Hil's socialist convictions have worked like a cancer upon this nation.

HRC will use her rapist-partner on the campaign trail til he drops... having HIM do as much of the speaking as possible... without hurting herself for doing so. They will work the campaign like a tag-team... and the MSM will eat it up.

29 posted on 02/12/2006 5:22:33 AM PST by johnny7 (“Iuventus stultorum magister”)
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To: AZRepublican
The DemocRATS can't keep Hillary out of the race. She has too much money, the best (and most ruthless) organization on the DemocRAT side, has bought and paid for at least half of the Senate and House Dems with cash and fundraisers.

She is going to run, and Heaven help any DemocRAT who tries to get in her way.

Now the national election.....well that is a different story. There will be good work for the "Pajamahadeen" come 2008.

30 posted on 02/12/2006 5:24:18 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: P.O.E.

You and Mia T think alike! Check out her latest post


32 posted on 02/12/2006 5:26:10 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Crush Code Pink, see them driven before you and hear the lamentation of the womyn)
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To: P.O.E.
Ah, here it is:Thread

What's Jane Pauley doing at a Dem fundraiser? Oh, wait, I forgot: "objective and open-minded" = "progressive"

33 posted on 02/12/2006 5:26:12 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: jmaroneps37

Win or lose we need Spencer to get into the race if for no other reason than to give her a big challenge, expose her feet of clay, and to make her spend a big chunk of her campaign warchest.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 5:26:17 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: al baby
Not if the third party is the Progressives.

The moonbats will not accept a centrist. No matter how convincing Hillary is in becoming a centrist, no significant number of Republicans is going to vote for her.
35 posted on 02/12/2006 5:26:26 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation. I am thankful for both and for Free Republic..)
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To: Liz
While I agree that Hillary is a very polarizing figure, this is way too early to write off anyone in the 2008 race.
She has the ability to raise a lot of money from the democrat base and if she follows her husband's lead, she'll become better at framing issues.
That being said, I'm glad we have the internet for this Clinton, not like in 92 when we didn't have ANY voice against the leftmedia onslaught that surrounded Bill's candidacy. The only thing we had was McLaughlin Group.

The blogswarm that surrounded the TANG document story has forever changed the landscape and insured that there will not be any "UPC Scanner" lies and bogus "How does the deficit personally effect your life?" questions this time around.
36 posted on 02/12/2006 5:27:21 AM PST by newnhdad (All your government branches are belong to us!!)
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To: Liz

Good news for the republic. I'd prefer it if the polls are such to discourage a serious run, than have Hillary make the run of her life and possibly get lucky.


37 posted on 02/12/2006 5:31:37 AM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Liz

A national campaign will bring out the true nature of this woman and the whole country will understand what a chtib she truly is...unable to lead the country.


38 posted on 02/12/2006 5:31:40 AM PST by KenmcG414 (wHAT'ST)
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To: Liz

Over the Hill.....hill. That's good. Over the Hill, hill.


39 posted on 02/12/2006 5:34:50 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know. Go Rush!)
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To: Liz

Over the Hill.....hill. That's good. Over the Hill, hill.


40 posted on 02/12/2006 5:34:51 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than any of us will ever know. Go Rush!)
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To: jalisco555
That would have been more possible back before the rise of the Internet. I am not convinced that play will work in today's informational reality.

IMO, Hillary's worst attribute is the one she is hoping to capitalize upon: her gender. Just how is a female POTUS going to deal with the misogynists in Iran and the rest of the Muslim world? When Schroeder praised her candidacy to an audience in Saudi Arabia, did anyone in the Arab world wonder why, if they think Hillary will be such a great leader for America, their own females are not allowed to participate in everyday life, let alone politics. I know my own reaction was that they think she will be weak and can be bought.

I think the best she can hope for is 40% positives, while retaining her 46% negatives. If the Progressives split off to form a third party, she and the left are out of the game for the foreseeable future.
41 posted on 02/12/2006 5:38:00 AM PST by reformedliberal (Bless our troops and pray for our nation. I am thankful for both and for Free Republic..)
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To: Liz
Anything that's happening to the Beestie's "popularity" (term used so loosely, it's about to slide off the page) is entirely her own doing. And will continue to be as such.

I don't believe the GOP has done much of anything to facilitate this.

42 posted on 02/12/2006 5:40:12 AM PST by prairiebreeze (Brought to you by the American Democrat Party. aka Al Qaeda, Western Division.)
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To: starbase
Too easy to shoot down. If she had really wanted to be president, if her husband REALLY wanted it, he would have advised her to go for the governorship of one of the states. As a senator, she has too much baggage and makes much to easy a target. Very few presidents have ever been elected from the senate for that very reason.

IMHO, Bubba knew that and that's why she's now a senator instead of governor of a purple state. He never wanted her to be president and the poor silly woman didn't figure it out. Instead, she allowed him to torpedo her only chance.

43 posted on 02/12/2006 5:42:22 AM PST by McGavin999 (If Intelligence Agencies can't find leakers, how can we expect them to find terrorists?)
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To: al baby
A strong thrid party canidate and we have Hillary in the white house ala Bill Clinton with 46%of the vote Yes, and we have many on this website that feel there are NO Republicans who are worthy of their vote.

I despise McCain and a whole bunch of the other Rs running but I'll vote for them if they're our nominee.

I'll fight like heck to get the most conservative candidate we can get through the primary process.

Allen may be our best bet.

44 posted on 02/12/2006 5:44:13 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Liz

With these new polling numbers, she'll drag Bill all over the country to prop herself up. Maybe she could get an inflatable Bill Clinton doll to use, instead.


45 posted on 02/12/2006 5:45:02 AM PST by hershey (enmark)
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To: goresalooza
"A couple years back I'd have agreed with you. No longer. The dwindling power of the old media is precisely why hitlery is going nowhere. They can't rescue her from herself, her nasty demeanor and her liberalism, which is contrary to what most voters want."

I understand as well as applaud the MSM dwindling influence. However they are still a force to be reckoned with. Look at the way they formulated public opinion about the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. For months the only persons the majority of the public blamed was the federal govt. (ie W Bush). Way to many people can't grasp what I thought was common knowledge that the first responders to any disaster is local govt.

then again the general public has a very short attention span. Nobody is outraged over Katrina anymore, much to the dismay of the political left. They have once again shot themselves in the foot. Jessy Jackson, Sharpton, Belafonte, Jimma Carter, etc cannot understand how continually playing the race card does far more damage than good in the long run. All it accomplishes is it turns the middle-of-the-roaders and fence-straddlers (you know "moderates") off. They turn away in disgust and tune them out.
46 posted on 02/12/2006 5:45:05 AM PST by saneright
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To: reformedliberal

I think you're correct to a certain extent. In the end I don't believe she'll be the Democratic nominee- I think Al Gore will win that prize- but we are making a mistake if we count her out too soon. I don't go in much for conspiracy theories but we are certainly being setup for the Great Comeback, particularly once she is overwhelmingly reelected to the Senate. Also, the MSM is down but far from out.


47 posted on 02/12/2006 5:48:57 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: goresalooza
""Enter angry John McCain. "

- Although I know a goodly percentage of far right Republicans are against it, I think a ticket of Rice and Rudy would cream any Democratic challenger in 2008. However, the MSM have been stroking and licking McCain's ego for the past two years now in the hopes that he will take the bait and pull a Perot on the Republicans so that the resulting vote split will allow Hitlery to squeeze in up the middle.
48 posted on 02/12/2006 5:49:20 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Liz

Her heinous is only marginally less crazy than Howard Dean.


49 posted on 02/12/2006 6:00:06 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: al baby
A strong third party canidate and we have Hillary in the white house ala Bill Clinton with 46% of the vote

And that would probably be McCain.

50 posted on 02/12/2006 6:00:18 AM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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