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Four years pass, Milosevic still on trial
CNN ^ | 2/11/06 | Joe Sterling

Posted on 02/12/2006 5:07:28 AM PST by jalisco555

(CNN) -- The war crimes trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic enters its fifth tedious year Sunday, and though international interest in the tribunal has waned, it has proved a useful tool in educating Serbs.

"Its greatest reverberation is in Serbia itself," where regional media have brought the crimes to center stage by airing and reporting on the proceedings, said Edgar Chen of the Coalition for International Justice, a group that supports war crimes tribunals.

Milosevic is charged with genocide and crimes against humanity in last decade's bloody Balkans conflict, and for four years, he has dragged out judicial proceedings with his political grandstanding and health-related absences.

The U.N. Security Council established the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in 1993, and Milosevic was charged with 66 counts involving war crimes during the Balkan wars.

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KEYWORDS: antichristian; balkans; clintonistas; clintonlegacy; clintonsquagmire; glaciers; hoopielite; islamofascists; jihad; milosevic; serbia; sorosfluffers; un; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar
Next time a liberal says that the trial of Saddam should be conducted in the Hague remind her of this disgrace. Everyone involved will die of old age before any verdict is rendered in this farce.
1 posted on 02/12/2006 5:07:30 AM PST by jalisco555
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To: jalisco555; kronos77; FormerLib

That's because the court hasn't been able to come to the "correct" conclusion.


2 posted on 02/12/2006 5:11:56 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: jalisco555

I agree with you but is Saadam's trial any better? He has been in captivity since 2003, there's no end in sight for his trial.


3 posted on 02/12/2006 5:17:41 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58
I agree with you but is Saadam's trial any better? He has been in captivity since 2003, there's no end in sight for his trial.

The Nuremberg experience shows that it's possible to conduct War Crimes trials fairly and expeditiously. I wonder why those lessons have been forgotten.

4 posted on 02/12/2006 5:20:43 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555

I was going to ping Destro to this thread but I see that he's been banned. Any idea what happened?


5 posted on 02/12/2006 5:25:06 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: jalisco555

This is classic "internationalism". It's like the U.N., the people there need work. They're not interested in solutions or an end product. Maintainance of their structure and its perpetuation are the main drivers here. If they had numerous people to try it might be different. But if you're Slobo, and you're all they got....you're going to be there a while.


6 posted on 02/12/2006 5:26:44 AM PST by n230099
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To: jalisco555
I wonder why those lessons have been forgotten.

Because the US ran Nuremberg; the UN is running Saadam's and Milosevic's.

7 posted on 02/12/2006 5:27:48 AM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional.)
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To: jalisco555

Milosovic is involved in a Kangaroo Court trial, The verdict and sentence have already been given, but they cant figure a way to make him look guilty.

The Saddam trial will go on and on, The biggest mistake here was not dropping a hand grenade in his hidey hole.

There is a lesson to be learned. I hope they dont make the same mistake with Bin Laden or the Z-man , be sure they resisting arrest and shoot them.


8 posted on 02/12/2006 5:29:54 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: brityank
UN is running Saadam's and Milosevic's.

I didn't realize the UN was running the Saddam trial. Now I understand why it, too, will never end.

9 posted on 02/12/2006 5:31:52 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Incorrigible
That's because the court hasn't been able to come to the "correct" conclusion.

Still singing that old tune, huh Incorrigible?

Gimme a "Free Slobo!" just for old time's sake.

10 posted on 02/12/2006 5:33:38 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: jalisco555; Banat; Andy from Beaverton; getoffmylawn; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; ...

The problem is that they'd have to admit how much wrongdoing they ignored by the other sides in the Yugoslav conflict in order to determine that Slobo was the bad guy.

He was one of many players but only he and the Serbian people have been punished while all others have been rewarded handsomely.


12 posted on 02/12/2006 5:36:24 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite; Incorrigible

The "old tune" you refer to is known as "the truth", Hoopie old boy.

And the rest of the world is learning it. So bad for your side. So bad, so sad.


13 posted on 02/12/2006 5:38:48 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite
Gimme a "Free Slobo!" just for old time's sake.

For Auld Lang Syne!

Forces of freedom on the march!  Europe trembles!

 


14 posted on 02/12/2006 5:49:09 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: johniegrad
I was going to ping Destro to this thread but I see that he's been banned. Any idea what happened?

Alas, someone, perhaps on this very thread, convinced the management that he should go.

He's out there though.  Watching...

 

And let us not forget Mr. Fusion...

"Dry is good, wind is better."

 

15 posted on 02/12/2006 5:53:25 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: jalisco555

If you like the Milosevic trial, you'll loooove the Saddam trial.


16 posted on 02/12/2006 5:55:34 AM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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To: jalisco555; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
The war crimes trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic enters its fifth tedious year Sunday, and though international interest in the tribunal has waned, it has proved a useful tool in educating Serbs.

The lesson one is: "The Religion of Peace will not be denied and NATO will assure it"

The lesson two: "All who resist will be prosecuted and found guilty of crimes against humanity"

The lesson three: "Pogroms against Christians are to be tolerated or encouraged"

17 posted on 02/12/2006 6:00:29 AM PST by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: Incorrigible
And let us not forget Mr. Fusion... "Dry is good, wind is better."

Yes. "The forces of freedom on the move. Europe trembles."

18 posted on 02/12/2006 6:02:54 AM PST by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: A. Pole

Agreed!


19 posted on 02/12/2006 6:05:37 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: jalisco555

World Court makes a mockery of justice. Where are the supposed hundreds of thousands Milosevic murdered? Nowhere. What did we kill 4,000 Serbian civilians to accomplish? A Muslim vassal state in the heart of Europe.


20 posted on 02/12/2006 6:11:01 AM PST by montag813
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To: jalisco555
The Nuremberg experience shows that it's possible to conduct War Crimes trials fairly and expeditiously. I wonder why those lessons have been forgotten.

Because Slobo is not a war criminal.

21 posted on 02/12/2006 6:12:07 AM PST by montag813
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To: jalisco555

If we put a Gore, a Kerry, or a Clinton in the White House, we will be signing up our soldiers and Marines for this crap. How would you like to see a young PFC standing before one of these kangaroo courts for "flushing" a koran or some other such nonsense. After all, we have to pass the "global test."


22 posted on 02/12/2006 6:23:38 AM PST by Boris99
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To: montag813
Because Slobo is not a war criminal.

Several of the Nuremberg defendants were aquitted. A properly conducted trial would have ended three years ago and Milosevic would have been freed if your judgment is correct.

23 posted on 02/12/2006 6:47:13 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Boris99
If we put a Gore, a Kerry, or a Clinton in the White House, we will be signing up our soldiers and Marines for this crap.

Absolutely, spot on correct. It's why we must never again elect a Democrat to the White House.

24 posted on 02/12/2006 6:48:16 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: jalisco555
I wonder why those lessons have been forgotten.

For the same reason it takes 25 years to execute a mass murderer on death row.

25 posted on 02/12/2006 6:49:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: jalisco555
I don't see where we get off being sanctimonious about these glacial proceedings with Milosevic. After all, it has been over four years and our very own Zacarias Moussaoui is still on trial - and he is an admitted Al Qaeda terrorist, even screaming it out in Court!

The problem is, these proceedings are all lawyers, all the time. We don't get justice, we get talk. And it's all very highly paid talk to boot!

26 posted on 02/12/2006 7:14:49 AM PST by Gritty (Fighting the jihad in the courtroom means you’ll lose - Mark Steyn)
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To: jalisco555; Graybeard58

<< The Nuremberg experience shows that it's possible to conduct War Crimes trials fairly and expeditiously. >>

With Russian "judges," many of them guilty of far worse crimes than those charged, sitting on the bench, the Nuremberg "trials," even had they been those, rather than the political actions they, in fact, were, may have been expeditiously conducted and in the execution of their sentences. But they were "fair" only in that they achieved their predetermined outcome.

For which there is much to be said.

The idea is obscene that Saddam, for example, should enjoy the presumption of innocence and makes mockery of his perhaps two million Iraqi, Iranian, Israeli, Kuwaiti and other victims.

As obscene, that is, as is the suggestion that the political activity being conducted around and to President Milocevic in any way resembles a "trial," its venue a "court" -- or that by way of which its proponents purport to legitimize their silly circus, "Law."


27 posted on 02/12/2006 7:49:35 AM PST by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Brian Allen

I dislike the idea that Milosevic`s name stand with Saddam`s.

Saddam is a creature of darkness that can be compared only to dark-ages monsters and Spanish Inquisition looks like liberal activist group comparing to his evil deeds. man tortured, killed, orderem mass ezecutions, usage of gas on civile population, tried to build mass-destruction weapons, and a first man who actualy used mass-destruction weapons after WWII, a gas attack.

Milosevic can be held at worst case as a not-so-nice-guy, and comparing that he was Balkan politician, he actualy looks rather good.
Worst thing that is put on his sould is project of "Great Serbia", a accusation written by ICTY prosecution od several hundreds of pages, accusing lines of Serbian politicians from 1800s to 21st century. It is actualy of Serb-intended :"Protocol of Sions", same rasist crap in which Jews were accused and prosecuted for hundreds of years, today "Greater Serbia" concept is made-up for anti-serbism.
Actualy, liberals needed someone to blame on evrything they did stupid.

european ruling classes and politicians needed in past centuries something to put blame and divert public anger from their failiure on Jews, and europeans in 1990es tried to do same to Serbs. They need Scapegoat.


28 posted on 02/12/2006 8:27:18 AM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: brityank
>>>>>>Because the US ran Nuremberg; the UN is running Saadam's and Milosevic's.<<<<<<

Legal circus in The Hague is an act of historical revisionism of Nuremberg legal legacy. It actually vindicates Hitler. Albanians, Croats and Bosnian Muslims were Hitler's allies, Serbs were Hitler's enemies. They got independent states ofd their own, per Hitler's design.Today, Hitler's dream in the Balkans has been fulfilled and The Hague circus is one of the instruments.

29 posted on 02/12/2006 9:32:43 AM PST by DTA
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To: jalisco555
>>>>>The Nuremberg experience shows that it's possible to conduct War Crimes trials fairly and expeditiously. I wonder why those lessons have been forgotten.<<<<<

The Hague circus is an antithesis of Nuremberg trials. Guilty of the penultimate crime, the crime of agression were NOT indicted. The ones guilty of the more horendous crimes walked free.

If you need historical paralell, ICTY is similar to Stalin's purges. Arrest first and then manufactuyre the "evidence"

The only difference, Stalin bankrolled his own circus and ICTY is bankrolled by U.S. ($1B and counting), Malesia and Saudi Arabia.

This ICTY scam would be Illegal on U.S. soil.

30 posted on 02/12/2006 9:39:05 AM PST by DTA
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To: Incorrigible
"he has dragged out judicial proceedings with his political grandstanding and health-related absences."

What nerve. He presumed to mount his own defense and dares to have health problems.

31 posted on 02/12/2006 11:07:13 AM PST by isrul
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To: jalisco555; FormerLib; A. Pole; DTA; ma bell
....it has proved a useful tool in educating [sic!] Serbs.

Yeah, right! It has proved a "useful tool" for sapping the morale of the Serbian nation, making them feel that the the guilt heaped upon them by their demonizers is justified, and getting them ready for assimilation by the international fascist EU.

In reality, the Serbs' resistance to the international fascist New World Order and to the international jihad is noble, and serves as a beacon of freedom to us all!!!!

NWO operatives and "human rightsers" like Edgar Chen want to "educate" us here at home as well. They want to make us feel guilty for resisting the demonic attack of the filthy and disgusting "gays" and the feminazis on the very bedrock of human civilization, and for even publishing a few cartoons that might "offend" the islamist fifth columnists among us, and their world jihadist terorist allies. They also want to charge us with "hate crimes" and take us to court and to prison for resisting the vicious NWO/feminazi/jihadist tide.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: Either America flushes the "human rightsers" down the toilet, or America goes down the toilet!!!! Free Slobo, abolish ICTY and ICC, and flush the "human rightsers" down the drain!!!!

32 posted on 02/12/2006 1:22:15 PM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Honorary Serb
Yeah, right! It has proved a "useful tool" for sapping the morale of the Serbian nation, making them feel that the the guilt heaped upon them by their demonizers is justified, and getting them ready for assimilation by the international fascist EU.

In the NWO for some reason it is necessary to convince the victims about their guilt, to persuade them that 2 and 2 equals 5 and to make them to love Big Brother. As George Orwell described in 1984.

33 posted on 02/12/2006 2:32:47 PM PST by A. Pole (Did our Creator endowed us with the inalienable right not to hear about His existence?)
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To: Incorrigible; Destro

Destro, if you're here: Hi.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 4:11:46 PM PST by Cathryn Crawford (you are indeed a pretty pitiful person and a lot worse than any Sand N****r that I know! - calex59)
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To: jalisco555

Justice delayed is justice denied.


35 posted on 02/12/2006 4:13:00 PM PST by Wheee The People
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To: jalisco555

How Politicians, the Media and Scholars Lied about Milosevic's 1989 Kosovo Speech

A Review of the Evidence:



http://emperors-clothes.com/milo/gw.htm


36 posted on 02/12/2006 7:17:21 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Islam. Read the Biography THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. pdf link on My Page)
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To: FormerLib

Ahhh, the Third Way Socialist "justice" that awaits us. If we can't get a conviction, we'll try you to death.


37 posted on 02/12/2006 9:21:06 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jalisco555
Everyone involved will die of old age before any verdict is rendered in this farce.

Anybody who thinks the "international community" should be in charge of anything should be reminded of a.) this trial and b.) "refugee camps" on the West Bank, which have celebrated their Golden Jubilee.

On the other hand, it means lifetime jobs for the lawyers, judges, administrators and other hangers-on at the ICJ and the UN...without ever really having to do anything. About anything...

38 posted on 02/12/2006 10:13:33 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Honorary Serb

Was watching a show the other night about Serbia.

The interviewer asked a choir director (can't remember the context) if he was a Christian. The man got a frightened look on his face and said that is a political question, and he would not answer it on record.

This is what NATO brought us.


39 posted on 02/13/2006 11:56:49 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Incorrigible

Yup, even after Theo vanGogh, 7/7, the French car-baques, and the cartoon war, the Euroweenies are still trying to feed Milosevic to the Muslim crocodile in hopes of being eaten last.

Of course, it's not like Bush got it, that Islam is our enemy, and changed course in the Balkans either.


40 posted on 02/13/2006 6:47:38 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: jalisco555

No, no. You're being too far-fetched. There's no way he'll die before the verdict.

Oh, oops...


41 posted on 03/12/2006 4:49:28 AM PST by propertius
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To: brityank; jalisco555

Just FYI. The United Nations has nothing to do with the Saddam trial. It is purely an Iraqi matter and the trial is being run under guidelines set up by the U.S.-backed Coalition Provisional Authority TAL


42 posted on 03/12/2006 4:54:16 AM PST by propertius
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To: propertius

Milosevic has died.


43 posted on 03/12/2006 5:00:49 AM PST by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: propertius
The United Nations has nothing to do with the Saddam trial.

Glad to hear that. At least we'll have a verdict before the end of the decade.

44 posted on 03/12/2006 5:58:30 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: ConservativeMan55

Yes. It was a joke.


45 posted on 03/12/2006 7:19:22 AM PST by propertius
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To: A. Pole

He should get a medal for killing some muslims.


46 posted on 03/12/2006 7:28:21 AM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Unicorn; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...
He should get a medal for killing some muslims.

But this is a conundrum - HE DID NOT. He talked tough but he wanted to please everyone - UN, EU, NATO, Muslims. In the process he abandoned Serbs in Krayina(Krajina)/Croatia, in Bosnia and in the end in Kosovo. (Not that he had much choice - little Serbia could not stand up to the mightiest military alliance in history).

And the persecutors of Serbia had to vilify him and other Serbian leaders in order to justify their mendacity. The "free" media did their job very well.

Milosevic was just a typical wishy washy post-Communist leader who wanted to be accepted in the exclusive "demcratic" club of International Community. But he had bad luck of being leader of a country chosen to be destroyed on the altar of New World Order.

On the other hand the Providence gave him the chance of achieving greatness by forcing him to fight singlehandly against the total lie. (Such honor was given earkier to other Commies in another show trial after Reichstag Fire.) Let us hope this will atone for his sins and former godlessness.

47 posted on 03/12/2006 7:45:54 AM PST by A. Pole (Alexander Solzhenitsyn: "Live Not By Lies")
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