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Hillary, You Are No Bill Clinton
Captain's Quarters | 2/13/2006 | Ed Morrissey

Posted on 02/13/2006 5:54:51 AM PST by Neville72

The London Times reviews the performance of the presumed front-runner for the Democratic ticket in 2008 and finds her performance wanting. Gerard Baker, the editor for its American desk, notes that Hillary Clinton not only cannot connect well in her appearances but cannot even escape the long shadow cast by her husband and most potent political asset:

Few deny that Mrs Clinton is razor-sharp and politically savvy. But even supporters worry about her personal skills, at least before a large audience. She is a somewhat wooden speaker with a hectoring style at times more reminiscent of Al Gore than her husband. And unlike Bill, she projects a lofty, distant air that has been likened to the Queen of Sheba in a power suit. Last weekend Ken Mehlman, the Republican National Committee chairman, homed in on Mrs Clinton’s personality, saying that she was too angry. His aim was both to pinpoint her weaknesses and to needle her, and it seems to have worked. ...

The hope in her camp is that people will believe that Mrs Clinton has her husband’s political strengths and none of his weaknesses. The growing fear is that she incites the same level of loathing and suspicion as her husband always did, but has none of the charm and personality to deflect it.

Hillary has always come across as a scold and a cold fish on the stump, where Bill may only truly find himself in that setting. He has always had a grace and flow to his appearances that served him well on most occasions. His charm finds its best and most productive outlet there, while Hillary usually sounds rather tight and forced. The comparisons will not make her look any better, and if she has Bill at the same events with her, he will continue to upstage her every time. That only plays into the suspicion that Hillary will run as an end-around to the 25th Amendment to garner Bill his third term in office.

Democrats need to find a national candidate with less baggage than Hillary. Almost half of the electorate doesn't want anything to with the Clintons ever again, and about half of what's left doesn't think Bill is worth casting a vote for Hillary. Rasmussen's last poll demonstrates that Hillary might win in the primaries, but she will get shellacked in a national election and probably would be the biggest get-out-the-vote incentive for the GOP in years. When the London Times plays Lloyd Bentsen to Hillary's Dan Quayle, her negatives no longer can be portrayed as Republican wishful thinking.


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1 posted on 02/13/2006 5:54:53 AM PST by Neville72
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To: Neville72
What is appealing about this woman? She's just another angry feminist from the 60s who scowls all the time. I can get that at the local used bookstore and any college campus.

Would be hilarious to see Laura Bush run against her and crush her in the election. Hilarious.
2 posted on 02/13/2006 5:59:18 AM PST by GianniV
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To: Neville72
Few deny that Mrs Clinton is razor-sharp and politically savvy.

I've never seen evidence of her intelligence. The fact that she won't take unscripted questions from an audience tells me that she is not quick on her feet. Likewise, I think she has a tin ear and is not politically savvy at all.

The empress has no clothes. Someone has to say it, no matter how utterly distasteful it is.

3 posted on 02/13/2006 5:59:57 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: Neville72

I can't wait for 2008 presidential elections.
I'm going to have the tape rolling at every debate.
After the polls start to look desperate, her handlers are going to tell her that she needs to "seem passionate" about some issue, and she's going to let out one of those torrents of spine-twisting screem rants, and it will be over.


4 posted on 02/13/2006 6:00:52 AM PST by z3n
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To: Neville72

there is NO WAY she will win a national election.


5 posted on 02/13/2006 6:01:26 AM PST by thehumanlynx (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” -Edmund Burke)
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To: Neville72

What a silly little girl! Most kids outgrow their fantasies. Aw, don't cry, honey. Maybe you can be a princess.


6 posted on 02/13/2006 6:03:52 AM PST by D.P.Roberts
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To: Neville72
.......Mrs Clinton has her husband’s political strengths

Two words....Ross Perot.

7 posted on 02/13/2006 6:06:47 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: COUNTrecount

Yep. And there is a very real possibility that that might just happen again since there are many disgruntled conservatives. A solid 3rd-party candidate might be able to scoop allot of them up.


8 posted on 02/13/2006 6:15:06 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: thehumanlynx
While we were at CPAC, one of the things that we at Americans For Rice found was a general consensus that Hillary cratered among blacks during her chance at the Coretta Scott King funeral. It occurred to me that this might have been deliberate on Bill's part. At a Washington party during CPAC, I was speaking to a gentleman who agreed with me in part, who also noted that Bill has to know his wife's weaknesses. Bill knew that Hillary couldn't carry the ball once it was handed off from him, so he got the crowd going as best he could, but knew that she would find a way to screw it up.

It was his way of saying to her, "Honey, you will always need me."

The guy we were speaking with seemed very wired in and told us to concentrate on Warner much more as a long term threat. I indicated to him that Hillary has the money cornered, but that he could be right once minds start changing, especially if Condi does get in the race (as we suspect she will by next January) and the presentation contrast becomes all too stark.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

9 posted on 02/13/2006 6:15:08 AM PST by section9 (Major Motoko Kusanagi says, "Jesus is Coming. Everybody look busy...")
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To: Neville72
"Hillary Clinton not only cannot connect well in her appearances but cannot even escape the long shadow cast by her husband and most potent political asset"

Worst of all (from her perspective) she's transparent as glass.

So is her husband, but, unlike Hillary, he can seduce large populations into disregard.

"The hope in her camp is that people will believe that Mrs Clinton has her husband’s political strengths and none of his weaknesses."

Those "political strengths", of course, are a talent for seducing and bamboozling (also known, to the incognoscenti, as "charm and personality").

"Democrats need to find a national candidate with less baggage than Hillary."

No. Democrats need to get out of the way, drop into the oubliette of history, and let the Republicans and Libertarians govern the U.S.A.

Those who want to "make a difference" or "make a contribution" (as they love to crow) can best do so by leaving the process of governing to others.

10 posted on 02/13/2006 6:17:34 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: COUNTrecount

Bill Clinton has the rare gift of being able to fit in anywhere among any kind of people, be it a Black Baptist church or Oxford. Hillary doesn't have that.


11 posted on 02/13/2006 6:18:46 AM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: ClearCase_guy

She is about as sharp as a brick and almost as pretty.


12 posted on 02/13/2006 6:21:29 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Neville72
The Hilderbeast has all the charm of 5 day old pizza.
13 posted on 02/13/2006 6:22:14 AM PST by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Sam the Sham

While watching Fox on election eve '04 they had Susan Estrich on. As some of you may recall she was a bit "relaxed" that night. When asked if the Hildabeast would win in '08 Susan said that she was "unelectable".


14 posted on 02/13/2006 6:22:58 AM PST by shelterguy (I can hear "Jimi".)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I've never seen evidence of her intelligence.

Agreed. The woman couldn't debate her way out of a wet paper bag. She's the Dark-side version of the Wizard of Oz.

15 posted on 02/13/2006 6:25:19 AM PST by kromike
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To: GianniV
"She's just another angry feminist from the 60s"

The Democrat Party is nothing but angry "activists" from the 60s. All those confused, drug dazed, iconoclastic hippies are now middle aged and run the Democrat Party.

They were--and still are--angry rebels searching for a cause. The noble Civil Rights Revolution conincided with their tantrum and many, naively, gave them undeserved credit for it, at least in part.

However the Hippie Tantrum of the 60s had little or nothing to do with the Civil Rights Revolution or anything else worthwhile.

Meanwhile, these 60s hippies continue to rage and bluster, as they had some purpose or something to offer.

Only a complete moron would allow them to govern the U.S.A. (Unfortunately, there are many complete morons among the electorate.)

16 posted on 02/13/2006 6:28:34 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Savage Beast

oubliette>>>>>>>>great word


The Oubliette

Oubliette - a little place of forgetting. A small, windowless room where someone is locked away, forgotten, left to go mad.

This is my personal place to rant and rave like the lunatic I am, my oubliette. It's dark, quiet, and I come here to forget about things. Or maybe to remember them.

After all, where does insanity end, and insight begin?

***Great question for Democrats to ponder.


17 posted on 02/13/2006 6:30:07 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72
Few deny that Mrs Clinton is razor-sharp and politically savvy.

I do!

18 posted on 02/13/2006 6:30:17 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Sam the Sham
"Bill Clinton has the rare gift of being able to fit in anywhere among any kind of people..."

Yes, he's kinda like a combination of Zelig and Don Juan.

19 posted on 02/13/2006 6:31:01 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Sam the Sham
"Hillary doesn't have that."

And you know what I am talking about! ! !

20 posted on 02/13/2006 6:34:05 AM PST by DeaconRed (IF . . . . . . . . . . . . . .)
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To: Savage Beast

I do also. So right there you have a few.


21 posted on 02/13/2006 6:34:38 AM PST by shelterguy (I can hear "Jimi".)
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To: Neville72

When is Saturday Night Live going to parody Hillary with a a huge ass eating a bucket of chicken? How come this supposed great comedy comedy show has never ONCE poked fun at her obesity and ghoulish looks? Not once?


22 posted on 02/13/2006 6:37:03 AM PST by GianniV
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To: Sam the Sham

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

I will give Hillary some credit though, she's got that "rode hard and put away wet" look down cold.


23 posted on 02/13/2006 6:37:08 AM PST by WV Mountain Mama (We may not be here for a long time, but hopefully it will be a good time.)
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To: Neville72
That only plays into the suspicion that Hillary will run as an end-around to the 25th Amendment to garner Bill his third term in office.

Huh? The 25th has nothing to do with 3 terms.

24 posted on 02/13/2006 6:38:03 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Neville72
Yours is a good use of the word oubliette.

In the medieval castles of Europe, an oubliette was situated beneath a trap door at the entrance. When a lever was pressed, an intruder standing on the trap door was dropped into the oubliette, from which there was no exit, and left there to die and be forgotten.

That's what we need to do with the Democrat Party.

25 posted on 02/13/2006 6:38:24 AM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Mulch

"And there is a very real possibility that that might just happen again since there are many disgruntled conservatives. A solid 3rd-party candidate might be able to scoop allot of them up."

And return a Democrat to White House again. The Perotistas
just don't seem to learn, or perhaps they don't give a d**n as long as they cast their dissenting vote against a viable Republican candidate.

Third parties do NOT work. Even the guys who are going to contribute to the NRA and let that august organization speak for them don't get it.


26 posted on 02/13/2006 6:39:48 AM PST by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: shelterguy
She looks kinda like Hilda sometimes.


27 posted on 02/13/2006 6:40:36 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
The empress has no clothes. Someone has to say it, no matter how utterly distasteful it is."


Arrrrrgggg

"Hillary" and "No Clothes" should *NOT* be used in the same sentence:-()
28 posted on 02/13/2006 6:45:10 AM PST by RedStateRocker
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To: ClearCase_guy

She is sharp having the FBI Files to intimidate people.


29 posted on 02/13/2006 7:15:23 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GianniV
What is appealing about this woman?

I think it is the nice turn of her ankle. :-)

30 posted on 02/13/2006 7:20:11 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Neville72

The problem with Hillary pulling off the 'Perot Gambit' is that any 3rd party candidate will have to come from the right and the more likely 3rd party candidate scenario in '08, especially with HRC nomination, will come from her left.


31 posted on 02/13/2006 7:22:07 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Neville72; Alamo-Girl; ALOHA RONNIE; Mia T; doug from upland; Doctor Raoul; backhoe; Thanatos; ...
The growing fear is that she incites the same level of loathing and suspicion...

Is it wonder after her collusion with Ng Lap Seng, Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie; Wang Mei Trie, John Huang, Johnny Chung, Liu Tai-ying, Bin Liu, Irene Wu, Nora Lum, Shi-Zeng Chen, General Ding Henggao, Lt. Gen. Huai Guomo, "Col. Xu", William Peh, PRC Defense Minister Chi Haotian, China Resources chairman Shen Jueren, Bao Peide, 5th Vice Minister of the PRC, Zou Jia Hua, Vice Minister National Technology Planning, Bernard Schwartz, Zhu Roug-ji, Vice Premier of National Finance, .Liu Ju-Yuan, Minister of China Aerospace Corporation (made both satellite orbiter version of Long March and the nuclear tippled missile version for the PLA), Ms Melinda Yee, Ira Sockowitz, Leon A. Panetta, Mark Littleton, Neal Ainley and convicted Miami drug trafficker Jose Cabrera, along with Hillary's ongoing ties to James Riady and the Lippo Bank-Lippo Group & Lippo Pacific in Indonesia---Hillary has no chance of winning anymore elections.

* * *

U S Congressional Record/Senate
106th Congress
June 23, 1999
pgs. S7483-S7486
The Clinton National Security Scandal and Coverup
Senator James Inhofe
(righ column, top)

32 posted on 02/13/2006 7:43:13 AM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: Savage Beast
No. Democrats need to get out of the way, drop into the oubliette of history, and let the Republicans and Libertarians govern the U.S.A.

Congratulations for knowing what an oubliette is. I bet you even know what "hoist by his own petard" really means.

33 posted on 02/13/2006 8:15:54 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Sic Luceat Lux; Mia T; JLO; All

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We can add our terrorist enemy No. 1 during the Vietnam War, Communist North Vietnam Dictator HO CHI MINH, to the list of HILLARY's collusions as well.

Bringing about for all of us to see in the end:


Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education Camp

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts


And make no mistake, with HILLARY back in our Oval Office...

...it could all happen HERE.



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm
http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

.


34 posted on 02/13/2006 8:46:48 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

BTTT


35 posted on 02/13/2006 8:59:29 AM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: ClearCase_guy
exactly. bump.


'MAKE IT A RULE' -- PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR OSAMA WITH CLINTON and CO.
(HEAR HILLARY + BILL MAKE THEIR PITCH)


ON THE FICTIONALIZED MEMOIR (HEAR HILLARY IN SF)~PART TWO~
THE (oops!) INADVERTENT ADMISSIONS OF HILLARY AND JANE IN SAN FRANCISCO



THE (oops!) INADVERTENT ADMISSIONS OF BILL + HILLARY CLINTON (HEAR HILLARY IN SF) ~PART ONE~


'HIATUS' FOR HILLARY?


for the birds
(THE INCOMPETENCE OF HILLARY CLINTON)


HILLARY FLUNKED D.C. BAR EXAM
"the smartest woman in the world" sought less competitive venue


HILLARY!?? WHAT IS THIS MORIBUND LOSER DOING IN THE POLITICAL ARENA, ANYWAY? (bill's bud explains)

 

36 posted on 02/13/2006 9:16:56 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Neville72


The picture worth a thousand cold showers:

Hillary Clinton is angry at being called angry.

37 posted on 02/13/2006 9:21:33 AM PST by OESY
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To: GianniV

If every American woman who has a big ass -- or thinks she does -- votes for Hillary in sympathy, she will be elected by a landslide. If you don't want to see Prez Hillary, I'd avoid that line of attack.


38 posted on 02/13/2006 9:21:43 AM PST by joylyn
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To: GianniV

lol/ bttt


39 posted on 02/13/2006 9:42:00 AM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: GianniV
Your description of Hillary is right on. For a straight male to vote for her is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders...if she is the nominee, the Democrats will have to rely heavily on hatred of Republicans and fear of the "religious right" to get men to vote for her.

Bill Clinton is a sociopath--a bad person but genuinely charming in personal interactions. Hillary lacks the charm.

40 posted on 02/13/2006 10:00:37 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: GianniV

Next up from Hillary Land:

They will put her through "charm school", and then the MSM will hail her turnaround as a revitailized candidate.

Geez, the plot practically writes itself...


41 posted on 02/13/2006 10:03:07 AM PST by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: libstripper

I hate to admit it, but I think you're going to win the bet. What does it mean? ~S


42 posted on 02/13/2006 12:12:29 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: libstripper

Strangely, I was thinking of that phrase just this morning. A premonition? I didn't take the time to search out the meaning as I often do. Strange...


43 posted on 02/13/2006 12:13:52 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Savage Beast; libstripper
Hamlet. "'Tis sport to have the engineer/ Hoist with his own petard:/ and 't shall go hard /But I will delve one yard below their mines/ And blow them at the moon."

It's a small explosive device used by sappers (who "sap" the enemy's fortification walls) who dig a tunnel under the wall and then explode the device to cause a breach in the wall.

44 posted on 02/13/2006 12:24:34 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Sic Luceat Lux

Thanks for the ping!


45 posted on 02/13/2006 1:46:35 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Neville72

If she was elected POTUS what she get instead of a BJ in the OVAL office and who would be performing the service.


46 posted on 02/13/2006 3:47:42 PM PST by chiefqc
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To: AnAmericanMother; libstripper
petard: an explosive charge for breaching fortification, a small explosive charge or grenade used to blow a hole in a door, wall, or fortification

hoist: lift up; raise or lift somebody or something up.

be hoist with your own petard: to be the victim of your own attempt to harm somebody else

(Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation)

One thing I love about the internet is the easy ability to look up words and their derivations and consequently to use them precisely as well as creatively. I like to keep the dictionary at an easy click, and I keep a dictionary of my own of words and phrases that are not easily accessible otherwise and of quotations for easy reference.

Thanks, LS and AAM, for bringing this useful concept to clarity. ~S

47 posted on 02/13/2006 3:58:12 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Neville72
"...if she has Bill at the same events with her, he will continue to upstage her every time. That only plays into the suspicion that Hillary will run as an end-around to the 25th Amendment to garner Bill his third term in office."

Interesting. I hadn't thought of it in just these terms, before. Rather sickening, the thought of Billy-Jeff re-installed in the WH with his hand on the lever of power. However, I rather think Hillary wouldn't let Bill near any real power. She'd want it all for herself, using Bill for tactical advice, only.

48 posted on 02/13/2006 5:31:32 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Alamo-Girl; B4Ranch; Travis McGee

Very welcome. Bttt


49 posted on 02/13/2006 5:59:52 PM PST by Sic Luceat Lux
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To: section9

Warner is their best shot IMHO, Hillary ain't a Thang.....


50 posted on 02/13/2006 6:03:39 PM PST by cmsgop ( Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay !!)
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