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White House Letter: Criticism of Bush leaves conservative in the cold
Herald Tribune ^ | FEBRUARY 12, 2006 | Elisabeth Bumiller

Posted on 02/13/2006 9:50:57 AM PST by presidio9

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To: Terpfen

Why is he a kook ? He makes a lot of sense to me on the things I've read about him. What have I missed ?


61 posted on 02/13/2006 10:29:47 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Darkwolf377

Internationally, he has changed the way the world works and that's no small accomplishment. Now whether people back home feel as though they gain anything from that is another thing entirely, but it's a change that no one else could have done and it was necessary to change the UN and the Middle East.

I had to really think about the energy policy change (which I rolled my eyes at) and then I realized it's to undercut Chavez and the other oil producing tyrants. And it gets the libs all tangled up over details while he is off doing bigger things.


62 posted on 02/13/2006 10:30:26 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: Little Ray

I don't think McCain or Guiliani would have a prayer in a primary. Thank god for that.


63 posted on 02/13/2006 10:30:44 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

I would agree that I would have liked it if he held out for vouchers. I also would have liked to see him enforce fiscal discipline. But he's a man determined not to suffer the same fate as his father. It would be a different matter if security and the GWOT were not looming so large, but he really can't afford a government shut down, whereas Reagan could.


64 posted on 02/13/2006 10:32:06 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: SmoothTalker
Some people are loyal to a fault.

Where does loyalty end? If a had a wife that cheated on him should he stay loyal forever?

Same with politicos, pastors, or anyone with authority. I am a firm believer in loyalty, as long as it's deserved. Not blind loyalty.

Thats' what dictators demand.
65 posted on 02/13/2006 10:32:20 AM PST by Dewy (1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;)
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To: cinives

Let me put it like this: there's a difference between principled conservatism and the right-wing version of moonbat-itis.

Paul lost me when he started ranting about neocons ala Buchanan.


66 posted on 02/13/2006 10:35:14 AM PST by Terpfen (72-25: The Democrats mounted a failibuster!)
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To: saveliberty

Good point re:Chavez. No one's really talking about how Clinton would have ignored someone like him (Bush 41 didn't ignore South American loudmouths). Unlike Clinton, who ignored UBL declaring war on America (I recall that declaration showing up maybe 20 minutes into the nightly news), W is not letting people like him go unanswered. He's just going about it in a smarter way.


67 posted on 02/13/2006 10:35:43 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic for religious freedom, not Islamofascistic multiculti PC secularism)
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To: Darkwolf377

:-) Thanks. And I think Chile has a friend of Hugo in power now too, IIRC.

Good points about 42 (the most useless man in America and her husband).


68 posted on 02/13/2006 10:38:05 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: presidio9
What happens if you're a Republican commentator and you write a book critical of President George W. Bush that gets you fired from your job at a conservative think tank?

You suck it up like a big boy and move on with your life.

69 posted on 02/13/2006 10:39:15 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Terpfen

And it is a very good thing that Rush Limbaugh marginalized Pat Buchanan among conservatives.


70 posted on 02/13/2006 10:39:51 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: Darkwolf377
No doubt about it, there are some downsides to the Reagan years. However, on spending and expansion of the federal bureaucracy, Bush43 is in a class by himself. Reagan governed as a conservative, Bush43 has not. Several charts from CATO illustrate my point.


71 posted on 02/13/2006 10:40:44 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: saveliberty

pat buchanan marginalized himself.


72 posted on 02/13/2006 10:43:51 AM PST by CWOJackson (Tancredo? Wasn't he the bounty hunter in Star Wars?)
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To: presidio9
"The Clinton people were vastly more open and easier to deal with and, quite frankly, a lot better on the issues," Bartlett said in the interview...

Bruce ought to be bodily catapulted out of the conservative movement for this line alone.

73 posted on 02/13/2006 10:45:14 AM PST by RichInOC (The Clinton Administration-Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.)
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To: Reagan Man
The problem with those charts, though, is how selective some of them are.

Growth of Federal Government 1990-2005

Doesn't take into account the WOT and Homeland Security.

Real Annual Growth Rate

Sure, W is worse than Reagan--but Reagan was worse than Clinton (or B41).

Real Growth Rate of Entitlements

Doesn't mention the Reagan years

Budget as % GDP

Again, no mention of Reagan

It's not that W is perfect--he's far from it. But neither was Reagan, though some claim he was close to that.

74 posted on 02/13/2006 10:46:08 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic for religious freedom, not Islamofascistic multiculti PC secularism)
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To: Reagan Man

;-) Now who has power of the purse? Why that would be the gutless wonders in both Houses of Congress.

It's fair that the House leadership changed hands in 1994 because Clinton went for the tax increase and then state voters made their reps walk the plank. Newt Gingrich came in with his sweeping conservative contract, which lost traction because Newt (no shrinking violet he) went after what he wanted and blast the consequences.

Both good and bad. He got what he wanted short term, but in the longer term, he made himself a more vulnerable target. When he was brought down, it made for a lot of nervous reps afraid to fail to bring home the government bacon (or cheese as it were). So let's look in the greater context that Congressional Republicans have gone adrift.


75 posted on 02/13/2006 10:47:58 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: CWOJackson

That's fair.


76 posted on 02/13/2006 10:48:42 AM PST by saveliberty ( :-) I am a Snowflake and Bushbot.)
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To: Reagan Man
Reagan governed as a conservative, Bush43 has not.

Immigration, size of government, payroll taxes, social security, Lebanon, abortion, O'Connor and Kennedy (Scalia excepted) vs. Roberts and Alito, deficits, and increasing the budget argue against that.

77 posted on 02/13/2006 10:53:04 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (An agnostic for religious freedom, not Islamofascistic multiculti PC secularism)
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To: saveliberty

Good point. Don't shut down DoD or Department of Homeland Security. I don't have a problem with Agriculture or HHS.


78 posted on 02/13/2006 11:01:07 AM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Darkwolf377
>>>>>The problem with those charts, though, is how selective some of them are.

They relate to the issue of federal spending. In that regard, they are selective, but they're also true. And you will find data from the Reagan years. Budget as % GDP is in the last chart. Figure #3 shows real annual growth rate of total govt outlays by President.

You're right, Reagan was far from perfect. So is Bush43. Comparing the two President's is fair, if you use relative data. All this data comes from the President's own OMB. (omb.gov)

79 posted on 02/13/2006 11:01:37 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Darkwolf377; Reagan Man; presidio9
Reagan governed as a conservative, Bush43 has not...

Immigration, size of government, payroll taxes, social security, Lebanon, abortion, O'Connor and Kennedy (Scalia excepted) vs. Roberts and Alito, deficits, and increasing the budget argue against that.

Reagan answered the slaughter of American marines by withdrawing from Lebanon.

Don't get me wrong, I loved the guy. And I love Bush. But neither one is or was perfect, and both were head and shoulders above our political enemies. You never get to choose perfect; your choice is always the best available versus something worse.

80 posted on 02/13/2006 11:04:40 AM PST by marron
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