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Washington monument for a "damned old fox"
Townhall.com ^ | February 13, 2006 | W. Thomas Smith, Jr.

Posted on 02/13/2006 4:10:22 PM PST by SuzyQ2

According to an email received by McCabe from the office of U.S. Congressman Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), the Marion monument project has already received the blessings of U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) and Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), as well as Congressmen Henry Brown (R–S.C.), Gresham Barrett (R–S.C.), Bob Inglis (R–S.C.), John Spratt (D–S.C.), James Clyburn (D–S.C.), and Wilson. The next step is the actual bill, which McCabe believes, will be introduced in Congress over the coming weeks.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: South Carolina; War on Terror
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1 posted on 02/13/2006 4:10:26 PM PST by SuzyQ2
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To: SuzyQ2
This is the real person that the movie "The Patriot" was based on.

Also generated some controversy over the characterizations versus the reality.

2 posted on 02/13/2006 4:18:47 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Sonny M

And the TV show many years ago starring Leslie Nielson.


3 posted on 02/13/2006 4:26:05 PM PST by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: SuzyQ2

 

Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox, tail on his hat, nobody know where the Swamp Fox at...


4 posted on 02/13/2006 4:29:36 PM PST by Fintan (Proudly wasting FReepers time since 1998...)
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To: Fintan
Swamp Fox, Swamp Fox...

We sure had fun with those lyrics when we were kids. :)

And try to tell anyone now that Leslie Nielsen was a heartthrob in his time!

5 posted on 02/13/2006 4:33:26 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: csmusaret

Figures that he would be first portrayed by a Canadian, then by an Australian.


6 posted on 02/13/2006 4:42:47 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: RightWingAtheist

Mel Gibson is an American who grew up down under.


7 posted on 02/13/2006 4:45:10 PM PST by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: Graymatter
And try to tell anyone now that Leslie Nielsen was a heartthrob in his time!


8 posted on 02/13/2006 4:45:26 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: csmusaret

Oh. I knew he was American-born, but I didn't know he retained American citizenship.


9 posted on 02/13/2006 4:48:02 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: SuzyQ2; Fintan; Pharmboy
One of my heroes. This is the picture from my Freeper profile:

Ping the usual suspects, Pharmboy!

10 posted on 02/13/2006 4:49:54 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: SuzyQ2
In 1959 Disney did The Swamp Fox about Francis Marion (starring Leslie Nielson, of all people)

I always conflate that with the Civil War story of the Grey Ghost, also done by Disney (1967).

Both Reb and Yankee Strangers,
They Called us Mosby's Rangers
North and South they know our fame
Grey Ghost is what they called me
John Mosby is my name.

Add to that things like The Scarecrow (with Patrick McGoohan - 1964) and you get the notion that Uncle Walt knew his stuff.

11 posted on 02/13/2006 4:51:31 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Sonny M
Yeah, the Limeys were really pissed about how they were portrayed, and tried to drag Marion's name through the mud.

What an a-s kicking Francis Marion gave to the thug General Tarlton. Of course, the Brits made it so easy with those bright red uniforms!

12 posted on 02/13/2006 4:51:48 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

S.C. ping


13 posted on 02/13/2006 5:17:42 PM PST by lunarbicep (There is something about a closet that makes a skeleton terribly restless.)
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To: Fintan

Surely you must be joking...


14 posted on 02/13/2006 5:18:43 PM PST by RichInOC (...somebody was going to post it...why not me?)
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To: Clemenza
Yeah, the Limeys were really pissed about how they were portrayed, and tried to drag Marion's name through the mud.

If you saw a historical film about a war where American troops locked the entire population of a town in a church and burned it to the ground, and no such incident or anything remotely like it actually happened in the war, would YOU be mad?

What an a-s kicking Francis Marion gave to the thug General Tarlton. Of course, the Brits made it so easy with those bright red uniforms!

Francis Marion never fought Tarleton. Marion RAN away from Tarleton in the swamps when Tarleton was ordered to catch him, and Tarleton gave up.

Tarleton DID get his ass kicked by Daniel Morgan at Cowpens. Marion wasn't even there.

And Tarelton's unit was comprised of American Loyalists, and wore Green, not Red.

The historical advisors for "The Patriot" made this known to the makers of the movie, who rejected this and other advice on uniforms and put all British forces in Red, on the premise that doing otherwise and having historically accurate uniforms would confuse stupid moviegoers too much.

Movies are a bad place to learn your history from, and "The Patriot" is one of the worst.

15 posted on 02/13/2006 5:28:28 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
The Patriot is not a factual movie, and what you pointed out is correct.

Nevertheless, Tarlton was a savage brute, and there is a good reason why the Brits were HATED in this country until WWII (only the Anglophile Wilson and the New England prep-school nancy boys in the state department loved Ol' Blighty).

Francis Marion is a hero, and the Brits (and their loyalist lackeys) were trounced on the battlefield (after early victories) by a bunch of aging veterans of the Seven Years/French and Indian War, and the green farm boys under their command.

It must of been great for the ego of the House of Hanover, to say nothing of the inbred twits in the British high command (Cornwallis, a fine man, being the main exception) to get defeated by an "inferior" adversary, albeit one with assistance from the French.

Nevertheless, I agree that motion pictures, including the Patriot, are a poor place to learn history. It still is a great movie, however, as was Braveheart, although I'm sure the Poms didn't enjoy that one either.

16 posted on 02/13/2006 5:35:05 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: lunarbicep; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...
South Carolina Ping

Add me to the list. | Remove me from the list.
17 posted on 02/13/2006 5:44:35 PM PST by SC Swamp Fox (Bush lied, people dyed....their fingers.)
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To: Strategerist
Movies are a bad place to learn your history from, and "The Patriot" is one of the worst.

You must really hate the movie "7 years in tibet".

Brad Pitt didn't even realize that the guy he played in the movie was a real life enthusiastic Nazi.

18 posted on 02/13/2006 6:15:13 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Clemenza

I thought "The Patriot" was cool. As was "Braveheart."

I am halfway through a MA in history. History is always being rewritten to suit the needs of the teller, and the audience.

If the audience needs some thrills, chills and popcorn, well, that's not the end of the world, is it?

Probably 9/10ths of what we know about history, we learned at the movies, be it Robin Hood or Hitler.


19 posted on 02/13/2006 8:37:17 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: swampfox

Are your ears burning Ping.......


20 posted on 02/14/2006 3:23:22 AM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Phsstpok
The Scarecrow (with Patrick McGoohan - 1964)

That show gave me goosebumps, ( I was all of five years old ). Disney had some entertaining programs back then.

21 posted on 02/14/2006 3:47:02 AM PST by csvset
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To: SC Swamp Fox

Thanks for the ping, Swampy!


22 posted on 02/14/2006 4:02:43 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: RichInOC

He's not joking and don't call him Shirley!


23 posted on 02/14/2006 4:09:33 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Kennedy and Kerry, the two Commissars of the Peoples' Republic of Massachusetts!)
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To: Sonny M

Huh! I thought "The Patriot" was purely fictional. Shoulda known better knowing Mel Gibson is big on true historical dramas (with his little bit of humor thrown in, of course.)


24 posted on 02/14/2006 4:13:14 AM PST by uncitizen
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To: uncitizen

Excellent article. And hurrah for South Carolina. Many need to become informed where most of our nations' advocates came from...


25 posted on 02/14/2006 9:15:26 AM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: RightWingAtheist
What a hunkabunk he was! And when we watch Airplane or Naked Gun movies, you've no idea what a fool I make of myself. :o)
I was only a baby in the '50s but Leslie Nielsen movies imprinted me for life.
26 posted on 02/14/2006 5:12:22 PM PST by Graymatter
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