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First Doctor to Treat Cheney Victim Tells Texas Paper He Wanted to Send Him Home
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Posted on 02/14/2006 9:25:07 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

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To: generally

If I were shot by the Veep, I'd ask the doc to save all the birdshot so I could sell it on E-Bay!


51 posted on 02/14/2006 9:50:50 AM PST by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: workerbee

Karl Rove is widely believed to have covered up the ghastly wound.
52 posted on 02/14/2006 9:53:56 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Doctors with egos! What ever happened to patient privacy.


53 posted on 02/14/2006 9:54:55 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

yah.

The local News here reported last night, that Whittington was in stable condition, and had been released from intensive care!!!

The spin is just amazing to watch...


54 posted on 02/14/2006 9:56:36 AM PST by Bean Counter ("Stout Hearts!")
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To: Mr. Brightside
There are some assumptions we can make about the circumstances which might shed some light on the extent of his injuries. Cheney was shooting a 28 gauge gun with shot suitable for small birds, likely no larger than 7.5, and the 'victim' was hit at roughly 30 yards. This distance is also consistent with the pattern size which was reported to extend from his face to his lower ribcage.

The maximum 'killing distance' (for birds) of 7.5 sized shot is about 35 yards, and after that it's unlikely that the skin would be broken. I can't find any of the formulas for calculating the physical damage, but a .75 oz. 28 gauge shell with 7.5 size shot has roughly 250 pellets. If it has a muzzle energy between 1500 and 2000 ft lbs, then we're talking a muzzle energy per pellet of a maximum of 8lbs. This would drop to roughly 2 lbs per pellet at 35 yards. If we assume he was hit with half of the load, (a conservative estimate in my view) then he was hit with something in the territory of 250 ft lbs of total energy, but since the total energy would have been spread over a pattern of pellets covering roughly 20 inches square, he would have been hit with something like 1.6 lbs per square inch of force. And since not all the pellets would be hitting him at the same time, only the first few pellets would probably be enough to break the skin.

There is no doubt that he would not have enjoyed the process, and it would probably be a little more serious for a man of his age, but it's by no means a life threatening issue. More than likely this is similar in substance to the kinds of injuries MANY people report around the hunting lodge, and inevitably laugh about.

Now my analysis is riddled with weak assumptions and speculation, but I think it's a good rough estimate, given the availability of information. Maybe someone who isn't at work right now can get some of the hard numbers from Remington or Winchester and rework the math for us.

55 posted on 02/14/2006 9:57:18 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Mo1

LOL....the emails and phone calls rolled in.......as did the rest of the media ridiculing the white house press corpse for their rabid dog behaviour.


56 posted on 02/14/2006 9:57:19 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: PETEPARSLEY

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1578321/posts?page=40#40


57 posted on 02/14/2006 9:57:41 AM PST by Mr. Brightside (Me? I'm just a lawn mower.)
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To: Dog

Oh darn .. I missed that one *L*


58 posted on 02/14/2006 9:58:33 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: frankjr


Greorgy the girlie man, who looks like an ape, pitched ANOTHER hissy fit.

Prissy boy.


59 posted on 02/14/2006 9:59:06 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: Peach
I once emailed the NYSlimes suggesting that they were deliberately misrepresenting Republicans in their stories....knowing that no one would read their corrections.

They actually wrote back saying they were offended that I would even think that they were deliberately printing incorrect news.

snicker snort on my part!

60 posted on 02/14/2006 9:59:07 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Semper Paratus
His injury was Kerryesque.

I wouldn't go that far.... At least we know Harry Whittington was indeed, shot.

61 posted on 02/14/2006 10:00:31 AM PST by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: tcostell

The circumstances you describe seem reasonable. I would be surprised if any shot penetrated clothing at that distance. I've seen similar "shootings" where the only damage was to exposed skin.


62 posted on 02/14/2006 10:01:46 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Mr. Brightside
OK you can see what this all is, The press could not "make hay" over the fact the lawyer guy was almost killed since his injuries have now been reported as superficial, so they (the press) have moved on to "Chenny's Friend is getting Special Treatment while the poor die in the waiting rooms!"

If I were the President I would ban everyone of those assholes (pardon my french) from covering the Whitehouse and I would only give a short press conference once a month by invitation only. Then sit back and laugh when they whined about it.

63 posted on 02/14/2006 10:08:06 AM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: tcostell

Seems to me that shot from a 28 guage at 100 feet could hardly kill a quayle, let alone an adult man.


64 posted on 02/14/2006 10:10:30 AM PST by Mr. Brightside (Me? I'm just a lawn mower.)
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To: KarlInOhio
"Maybe they realized they had a lawyer in the emergency room and decided to retrieve a little money from the bar association by sticking him in ICU."

I heard that Chaney's approval rating shot up to 92% when people found out it was a lawyer he hit...

65 posted on 02/14/2006 10:11:18 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: OldFriend

They were offended? Well, just think how offended WE are that they actually DO it. And good for you for writing them.

I think if more of us took them to task, they'd HAVE to change their ways.


66 posted on 02/14/2006 10:11:26 AM PST by Peach (Hillary ran over a cop and didn't even stop.)
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To: tcostell
Very good analysis.

However, I would like to point out one more factor.

Unless he was hunting in the nude, most of the shot energy would be absorbed by a shooting jacket. Usually, these are heavy with game pockets, shell pockets, etc. all over them, which means a lot of the area has double or more fabric layers.

He could have been hunting in his shirt sleeves, but that would not be expected because of the need for more shells, game pockets, protection from brush and briars, etc. Quail in my part of the world are ordinarily found in heavy cover.

The big danger here would be pellets in the eyes or ears.

Bird shot can be fatal at close range. If it reaches the lungs, kidneys, etc., it is serious. But at 35 yards, it might be best described as nothing more than a pain in the ass.

So maybe he got hit with less than a dozen shot? Time will tell.
67 posted on 02/14/2006 10:12:07 AM PST by woodbutcher
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I'm waiting for the headline where they label the VP a "poacher" for not paying his $7 quail stamp TAX.


68 posted on 02/14/2006 10:13:30 AM PST by Rio (Don't make me come over there....)
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To: ohioWfan; onyx

Off Topic

President is on FNC introducing the Texas Long Horns ... he's a hoot


69 posted on 02/14/2006 10:13:44 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists.. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: All

See "Breaking News".Maybe this first doctor ought to tear up his license.


70 posted on 02/14/2006 10:15:09 AM PST by John W
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To: Mo1

Off topic. That's what I'm watching. He's a hoot, alright! What fun!


71 posted on 02/14/2006 10:16:16 AM PST by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraq War VET! THANKS, son!!!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

IMHO, I think the White House's announcement on this accident should have been, "Vice Pres. Cheney shot a fellow-hunter in an incident that occurred this weekend. The victim is in good condition, but let this be a warning to the rest of you...."


72 posted on 02/14/2006 10:16:57 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: NCSteve

The media would have only been happy had Cheney shot himself.


73 posted on 02/14/2006 10:17:19 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Peach

I think it's a Rovian diversion....While the press is obsessed with this Cheney shooting incident, no one has noticed that Bush has invaded Iran. ;-)


74 posted on 02/14/2006 10:18:29 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Mo1


LOL -- I just caught that! Thanks, Mo1.


75 posted on 02/14/2006 10:18:54 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: My2Cents

Honest to goodness, I think we could do anything we wanted today and no one in the press would even notice.


76 posted on 02/14/2006 10:19:27 AM PST by Peach (Hillary ran over a cop and didn't even stop.)
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To: ohioWfan; Mo1



Oh God, check the news now.
Bird shot --- slight heart attack!


77 posted on 02/14/2006 10:20:32 AM PST by onyx (IF ONLY 10% of Muslims are radical, that's still 120 MILLION who want to kill us.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

78 posted on 02/14/2006 10:23:39 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: woodbutcher

Well they were in Texas not PA so the clothes were probably lighter than average, but yes I'm sure some of the energy would have been absorbed by his shirt at least.


79 posted on 02/14/2006 10:28:20 AM PST by tcostell
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To: Peach
I swear. We could literally bomb North Korea AND Iran and the press wouldn't even notice until Friday.

Even after they did hear about it, they'd still botch the story.

The media is just sore they got called on the carpet for jumping the gun on the Sago Mine disaster and botched that whole story, now they're ticked they weren't notified of this soon enough.

The media is just too stupid to figure out their consumers of the news don't trust them.

80 posted on 02/14/2006 10:36:02 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: Mo1

This "heart attack" angle is just another phony made up bit of nonsense started by the media.


81 posted on 02/14/2006 10:38:59 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: onyx

I'd like to know the media's sources for these cockeyed fairy tales.


82 posted on 02/14/2006 10:40:12 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Proud to be a cotton-pickin' Republican on the GOP Plantation)
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To: Mr. Brightside

This is soooo much ado about nothing.

The man was peppered with shot from a 28-guage shotgun at 30 yards. That's a very small gun for bird hunting. I would never go with anything smaller than a 16-guage and usually a 12-guage.

"Whittington required intensive care treatment, was hit with more than 100 pellets, and that some of the wounds were so severe the pellets could not be removed."

That statement is pure unadulterate CRAP. Normal shot size for quail hunting is 7 or 8. In a 12 guage shell there might be 40 pellets. In a 28 guage there would be far fewer.

While dove hunting in West Texas as a youth I was regularly peppered. It happens. It stings. It might even break the skin where the skin is uncovered. At worst, those pellets would bubble back up to the surface in a week or two -- much like a splinter. Normally, Dad would dig them out with his pocket knife and pour some alcohol on the spot. If it was a real bad boo-boo, or if Mama was afraid we would bleed on our school shirts, we might get a bandaid. We would have never considered seeking anymore medical attention than that.

I have no doubt that Mr Whittington has been peppered many a time in his life. And I would hazard a guess that some of those incidents involved much larger bore guns than the VP's 28 guage. I doubt seriously if he was ever hospitalized for such before this incident.

This is purely the personification of those TV commercials where the hospital patient gets extensive care because "this man has money coming out the wazoo."

The administrators saw the VP motorcade in the parking lot and the Veep was probably standing outside the ER door saying, "this is my fault, make sure all the bills get sent to my office."

Girls, quick, fire up the BIG cash register for this one.


83 posted on 02/14/2006 10:41:53 AM PST by NerdDad
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To: Palladin

This "Illegal Hunting" stuff is mostly BS. They were hunting on private property, not public lands. He had a hunting license, he needed a quail stamp, he got one, case closed!


84 posted on 02/14/2006 10:44:36 AM PST by Big Digger (I)
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To: onyx
slight heart attack!To be honest, my sense has always been that the longer one stays in a hospital, the greater the likelihood they'll never walk out. The stress of staying in the hospital is probably the precurser of the heart attack.
85 posted on 02/14/2006 10:54:29 AM PST by My2Cents (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: Mr. Brightside

I didn't bother to count the number of times the article mentions it, but most of the text is spent on how the newsies were clattering over who heard what when and why didn't we get this first, or faster.

IOW, the media is exploding over ... nothing.

You'd have thought Dick Cheney shot a reporter.


86 posted on 02/14/2006 10:58:57 AM PST by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: Mo1

They are milking this big time at the Hospital.

The family is now upset. They just ran a report to the press that he has had a heart attack.

ACTUALLY, WHAT HE HAD WAS A FIB caused by pellet pressure.

When pushed further on it...Dr. Presshound sort of backed off.

Just so happens I was at a heart associaton function when they ran the report.

A Dr. sitting with me said he would never call that a heart attack. Pointed out how pulse change can be attributed to much more credited causes.

He said that if a patient has not indication of it.....it is wiser to check for other causes.


87 posted on 02/14/2006 11:02:53 AM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: frankjr

Now it appears that he is back in ICU because of a heart attack...seems like VP Cheney's emphasis was on the right place...get the guy to the hospital to make sure!
Of course, all the press can focus on is the that they weren't told right away! Instead, this shows that the focus was on the right place!


88 posted on 02/14/2006 11:11:45 AM PST by t2buckeye
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To: Mr. Brightside
I was afraid Whittington might be watching press frenzy yesterday. . .and have a heart attack. Well, now he has had a 'silent attack'. . .and I swear I think it is the media - not the pellets - that has given it to him.

They are determined to make this worse - if not the 'the worst' of accidents.

89 posted on 02/14/2006 11:13:05 AM PST by cricket (Truth - the first enemy of a Leftist. . .)
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To: Palladin

"They have indeed gone berserk. "

Right...what they REALLY REALLY REALLY want to report SO BADLY is:

"Cheney Intentionally Fires on Hunting Companion While Drunk" or some other such drivel.

"Cheney Shoots and Kills Hunting Partner While Drunk".

I can see this coming out any day. Even though there isn't a shred of truth in it, the libnutmedia has gone stark raving mad. They keep insinuating and BS'ing and making the story up as they go along.


90 posted on 02/14/2006 11:17:58 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: goresalooza
"Cheney Intentionally Fires on Hunting Companion While Drunk" or some other such drivel.

So he has a drink or two before, and he's an avid hunter... RUN WITH IT!

91 posted on 02/14/2006 11:52:22 AM PST by anonymous_user (62% of repondents say they lie to pollsters.)
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To: ohioWfan
Do some serious medical tort reform like the President has been pushing, and hospitals will no longer have to do this, and health care costs will plummet..

AMEN!!!

92 posted on 02/14/2006 11:53:55 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Mr. Brightside

Good thing he didn't get sent home!

Considering the latest reports, the guy might have died!

Is this doctor a Dem or just plain incompetent?


93 posted on 02/14/2006 11:57:41 AM PST by airborne
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To: ArmyBratproud
WELL SAID!!!!
94 posted on 02/14/2006 12:01:40 PM PST by beyond the sea (Let's give them something to talk about............. howaboutlovelovelove?)
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To: parcel_of_rogues

"Hospitals are like car dealers. Once you drive into that bay they have to do enough work to cover their overhead."

Based on my experience this is NOT true. Most hospitals are more than anxious to kick you out ASAP.

More often than not, they discharge people too soon rather than too late. I'm in favor of discharging as early as possible, the hospital atmosphere isn't the best; but often they'll discharge to go home before any proper discharge plan for ongoing needed health care regimen has been established.

Obviously this guy was kept longer than you or I would have been. Two reasons, and only one is because he was shot by the V-P. The other is that he is a very high mucky-muck in political circles in TX in his own right. And rich.

And it is a good thing he was kept. It may not be, as some of you are claiming, a "REAL" heart attack. Maybe it was "just" the onset of atrial fibrillation like one of you said.
There is no good place for a 78 year old guy who has already suffered trauma to have atrial fibrillation; but a hospital is a better place than anywhere else. It was a good thing he was already there.

I have a 73 year old friend who had bypass surgery a couple of years ago who went into atrial fibrillation recently at home. Luckily, we got him to ER by that time he was racing at 240-300 BPM. Luckily it was before the current blizzard hit so we were able to move quickly; or I think he'd be dead.


95 posted on 02/14/2006 12:05:06 PM PST by EdJay
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To: goresalooza

Ron Reagan Jr. was the first to bring up the "drunk" connotation yesterday. In his most lubricious voice, he pondered: "Do we know that alcohol was not involved?"

Then he went on and on about "disclosure" regarding the hospital reports.

With all due respect to President Reagan's memory, nothing was "disclosed" about his Alzheimer's disease until many years after he had left office.


96 posted on 02/14/2006 12:09:33 PM PST by Palladin ("Governor Lynn Swann."...it has a nice ring to it!)
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To: Palladin

Right...the libnuts are just dying to report this, even if not true. It's just old and tiring.


97 posted on 02/14/2006 12:13:57 PM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: ArmyBratproud
What ever happened to a patient and their family's right to privacy. Why does the press demand health info and feel they have a right to now everything and know it in real time or even before it happens?

Where are the patient advocates? They should be speaking out to respond to the ethics of this outraged press and their right to know everything. All the HIPAA laws we have to sign protecting patients privacy go right out the window.

98 posted on 02/14/2006 1:04:24 PM PST by proud2beconservativeinNJ
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To: Mr. Brightside

I wonder if he has a release from his patient to be talking about treatment and condition.


99 posted on 02/14/2006 6:10:38 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Mr. Brightside

Give the man a purple heart and stick a badge of Kerry on him.


100 posted on 02/14/2006 6:11:27 PM PST by Porterville (They took our jobs!!! Der dook er jibs!!! Deer took er jabs!!!)
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