We don't need to honor any more rich white males
So says one member of the University of Washington Student Senate. And here is a picture of the rich white male this person was speaking of:
Gregory Pappy Boyington...graduate of the Univeristy of Washington (went to High School in Tacoma), winner of the medal of honor, shot down 28 enemy aircraft, was a prisoner of war for 20 months, and apparently does not - according to the student senate - deserve a memorial on campus. Apparently we are told that he "is not the type of person we want to honor" and some even went so far as to liken his duty in WW2 to murder. One of the biggest antagonists of the proposal was apparently the leader of the student Democratic Party. How sad.
This issue is particularly interesting to me because I personally knew Pappy Boyington, not so much as a friend, but as a regular visitor to the Chino Air Museum and Air Show. I met him on numerous occassions and thoroughly enjoyed his willingness to tell me stories about his experiences - and I must say it was HEAVEN to this young man who'd rather feel his way around a restored Corsair than hang out at the mall with his contemporaries.
Pappy was famous for once saying: "Just name a hero and I'll prove he's a bum." And he knew this from personal experience. Pappy's childhood wasn't easy and he and his mother had to work VERY hard to get him through school - he was no rich boy and neither did he live off government grants...personally I wonder if those students who "shot this memorial down" could remotely say the same? And he was a real human being who did not hide his faults, particularly with alcohol and marital problems. Like all heros, no one is a "super" hero. While Pappy could work hard, he could "play" hard too and landed himself in trouble from time to time. Here is a more detailed story...from the University of Washington oddly enough.
Also, clearly, the student who made the racist statement never met him because I will tell you that you could not mistake the Sioux in him. And while he did write a best-selling book (best selling authors are a dime a dozen), he was never really a rich man...rather he spent most of his last days wandering through Air Shows reliving the glory days, never in any grand luxury that I saw. He seemed a very nice man, who despite his personal problems did some extraordinary things to help defend freedom and defeat tyranny and injustice.
But, have our Washington youth revised history so much as this? To compare Boyington (or for that matter any of our WW2 vets) to murderers? What are these kids being taught today? They don't deserve those 20 months Pappy spent being tortured and beaten in a Japanese prison camp...they don't deserve any of what our grandfathers and grandmothers sacrificed to free Europe and the Pacific. Is it perhaps because those precious people are soon to be gone that we feel free to engage in leftist amnesia? I'm angry about this...how dare these snot nose, hemp-wearing, pot smoking, drum beating, dreadlock wearing, "gee when is the financial aid check going to arrive", brat kids diss Pappy Boyington?
Maybe REAL rich white guys ought to be offended (like Bill Gates and Paul Allen) and stop donating money to the UW and then the Student Senators will find they don't have the time to be in the student senate because they need to get themselves real jobs.
If any WW2 vets read this blog, please accept my apology on behalf of the University of Washington - and particularly thier ignorant student senate. We remember what you all have done. My kids will remember too.
...offered by JamesoftheNorthwest, a sinner and extremist at 8:52 AM [+]
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25 Comments:
You have kind of highlighted the humor in multiculturalism. To the multiculturalist a man or woman's value depends on the color of their skin and sexual orientation. No wonder such people worry so much about racisim. It is because they are racists!
-Rick
By Anonymous, at 10:15 AM
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Well, James I want to shake the hand that shook his hand. A giant of a guy, a hero. I just don't know where to start to comment on the brats at the UW. It's hard to think of a generation whose fathers didn't go through WWII, as mine did. TO think of people who don't know of the thousands of GI's who attended there on the GI Bill and made this state and country better (oh, and by the way, saved it from slavery). In addition, there are thousands of stories about men who didn't go to the UW. My uncle enlisted in the navy at 15 in 1922. He sent money home so my father and uncle could stay in school longer. Eventually my father was the only one of three to finish high school and complete college. He became a civil engineer, and eventually wrote the Lake Washington Plan to clean up the lake in the 1950's. This was the start of Metro. So the little sh**s at the UW could drink pure water, you know. Just some more white war mongers, my dad and his brothers. I can never be grateful enough to them. -- Bob K.
By Anonymous, at 1:28 PM
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I heard about this on the radio this morning and I nearly popped.
But do you have a source for this? I've been trying to find one so I can address it on my blog, but I haven't had any luck.
By , at 5:40 PM
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hey, i grew up on BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP.
By seraphim/seattle, at 7:19 PM
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Rob, the senate minutes should be out in a month or two, so it seems.
Seraphim...me too. Funny, if you read the little story I linked to about Pappy you will see that former Black Sheep squandron members were pretty offended by the show.
By JamesoftheNorthwest, at 8:04 AM
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If Pappy had killed a couple cops instead of 28 Japanese fighter pilots, he'd probably have his own statue at Evergreen State College.
By Anonymous, at 9:25 AM
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If Pappy had killed a couple cops instead of 28 Japanese fighter pilots, he'd probably have his own statue at Evergreen State College.
By , at 9:26 AM
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James, I found the minutes! You aren't going to believe this garbage:
http://senate.asuw.org/secretary/minutes/senate/12/02-07-2006.pdf
By , at 1:38 PM
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My Dad, who just turned 86, a surviver of the Bataan Death March, isn't long for this world either...Their generation was truly the greatest we've had, they did save the world from tyranny,and to hear an ungrateful crablouse like that say anything other than thankyou for saving my goatsmelling hindquarters from slavery makes me sick.
Kosmas
By , at 2:06 PM
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Kosmas,
By any chance is your father Tech Sergeant Lily?
The TSgt Lily I know was a Baatan Death march survivor, and he pretty much "adopted" my AFROTC unit at the UW. He even sang the Star Spangled banner for us at a Veteran's Day celebration in his uniform.
I know for sure that there is one building on the UW campus where everyone would stand up when he entered the room.
By , at 10:08 PM
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As a UW alum, current UW grad student, and a veteran I am triply offended. My apologies on behalf of the students who do not feel this way. Ignorance and hubris are a terrible thing.
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Briefly, I knew one of Pappy's pilots, Jack Quisenberry -- a nicer gentlemen you'd never find.
Apparently a pretty good flyer too.
But, what frosts me most is the simple fact that these so-called students (from the Socialist Sovier of Seattle) is that they'd probably be speaking German or Japanese if it were not for guys like Pappy Boyington's bunch.
Pretty sad.
By Anonymous, at 12:07 PM
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I linked this over at my blog, too. I am literally beyond words- and anger- over this.
By Dan Spomer, at 12:41 PM
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Linked to you at my blog. Go Popeye!
By Liberal Larry, at 10:04 PM
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ljbjrvsyFirst and foremost, the students on this commitee (Jill Edwards and Ashley Miller) are in my opinion ignorant and uneducated. Karl Smith could use a good talking to as well.
These students are our future, and quite frankly, that scares the hell out of me. As a former Recon Marine, it hurts me to know that I would and did put my own life on the line for these snot nosed brats to express their ridiculous and out right stupid opions and actually have someone listen to it.
Secondly, where is the University Executives and staff to step in and say, "what the hell is wrong with you people" We are putting up the statue and that is that.
I thank God I am not on that campus to set them straight!!
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First and foremost, the students on this commitee (Jill Edwards and Ashley Miller) are in my opinion ignorant and uneducated. Karl Smith could use a good talking to as well.
These students are our future, and quite frankly, that scares the hell out of me. As a former Recon Marine, it hurts me to know that I would and did put my own life on the line for these snot nosed brats to express their ridiculous and out right stupid opions and actually have someone listen to it.
Secondly, where is the University Executives and staff to step in and say, "what the hell is wrong with you people" We are putting up the statue and that is that.
I thank God I am not on that campus to set them straight!!
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I hope you all learn to respect the equal right of all people to express their own opinions free of ridicul and hate. Your hate filled responses discourages open and through exchange of ideas, you should learn to live with your neighbors instead of casting them as devils and hating your neighbor.
By Anonymous, at 5:04 PM
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You know, this is a really fascinating lesson. It's a lesson on taking comments woefully out of context and self-interested parties on campus seeking personal gain at the expense of the integrity of their peers. The minutes you see are at best a paraphrase of the comments made; you see but the statements and not the justifications behind them.
As an individual quoted in those minutes and in the end voted against this piece of legislation, I wanted to shared with you a few thoughts. First, I have a great deal of Pappy Boyington and I'm very thankful this resolution brought to my attention his experience and sacrifice. Had this been a resolution to express our admiration and honor him, this would have been a far simpler affair and would, in my estimation, have passed overwhelmingly. But this was about more than that. This piece of legislation asked us to support the creation of a memorial on campus; all else being equal I'd love to do that as well. But how do we decide who is deserving of such a commemoration and who is not? The University of Washington has MANY disinguished alumni, including other Medal of Honor recipients such as PFC. William K. Nakamura and John D. "Bud" Hawk, amongst others. We also are home to civil rights leaders such as Gordon Hirabayshi and a major contributor in the eradication of smallpox William Foege, and the Nigerian statesman who worked for peace Alex Ekwueme. How do we decide who is and is not deserving? I don't believe that's the role of the Student Senate, but it is certainly the role of the Student Senate to honor and acknowledge. I hope we see a future resolution to this end, for I am quite grateful for what Pappy Boyington did for our country.
Finally, though it may be unpopular here, I stand by my comments in support of removing the language regarding the Japanese planes shot down. In war, killing is a necessary evil. Because of this I am all the more grateful for those who endure the effects of war. But I do not believe our honor of him should focus upon the evil, regardless of how necessary. Instead it should focus on his heroism, courage, and all that he endured for his country.
In the end, my hope is to put the discussion and the decision in context. Though the vote is yes or no, the reasons for the particular vote varies greatly amongst senators. It is inaccurate to suggest that voting against this resolution is in any way seeking to disparage any veteran; as I mentioned, I hope to see a future resolution honoring him without asking that the Student Senate overstep its role.
Very Tuly Yours,
By , at 5:40 PM
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Karl Smith-we can read. "Jill Edwards said she didn’t’ believe a member of the Marine Corps was
an example of the sort of person UW wanted to produce.
Ashley Miller commented that many monuments at UW already
commemorate rich white men." I don't think your "colleagues" have much integrity, or even understand the concept.
Anonymous "Your hate filled responses discourages open and through exchange of ideas, you should learn to live with your neighbors instead of casting them as devils and hating your neighbor." You could not be more wrong. I don't "hate" you or them, not hardly. What I feel for you is much worse than hate, I only feel contempt for someone with such a shallow understanding of both honor and sacrifice.
By , at 6:28 PM
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Just in response to Ralph, Karl specifically pointed out that all of the senators had their own reasons for their vote. He was simply saying that his was made for those reasons, which make a good deal of sense.
The other paraphrased individuals from the minutes simply go to prove that you can't lump all those who voted yay or nay into single groups of specific reasoning.
Those who proposed the legislation probably weren't trying to handpick one military alum to glorify the military and those who spoke against it probably weren't trying to point out the evils of veterans. Let's just believe the best in each other instead of constantly being on the attack.
By , at 8:55 PM
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The LEFTIST COMMUNIST state of Washington should change its name, because Washington was a rich white war hero. Washington is due for an earth quake, to likes of Iran, Turkey, Pakistan, Muslim war hero nations. Your state needs cleansing, so bring on the earth quake. But don't send American military to rescue them. Let the libs rescue themselves. Judgement is due America, not just the left coast.
By TheGottwerthsinNJ, at 1:17 AM
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These people are living in a pseudo-utopian mix of silliness and kindred-country hatred. They need to get a real life, and they WILL once they get out of the mire of muck at these universities filled with left-wing hippie has-beens of the sixties, who are teaching them to be silly and go around with their heads screwed on backwards. Then when they get out and try to make a living they wonder why they can't adjust to the real world. These silly students want to "feel good" about themselves. You have to wonder if their parents dishing out the tuition funds know about all of this silliness their kids are involved with. I would yank mine out in a moment! As for Pappy Boynton, HE IS A HERO---AND THEY KNOW IT! He lives on in the history of our nation and in the hearts of true red-blooded Americans of this land. WHO REALLY NEEDS THESE SILLY KIDS WHO THINK THEY ARE DOING GOD AND MANKIND A FAVOR?!!!
~D.A. Donner~
By Anonymous, at 5:05 AM
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Proves revisionist history is alive and well in our Politically Correct University. Sick.
Can anyone say????
Brainwashing 101 worked on these kids!!
Minutes of the PC racist meeting....
http://senate.asuw.org/secretary/minutes/senate/12/02-07-2006.pdf
By Anonymous, at 6:18 AM
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A little insight into what is happening at colleges across the nation. I am 41, I attend a community college in AR. Recently my English teacher launched a tirade against the govt.I thought to remain silent, not make a wave, until she asked the class, for anyone who voted, to raise their hands. She proceeded to call everyone who either voted for Bush, or refused to protest against Bush, murderers. That the actions of our government and military were murder was more than I could let pass. My husband was killed during Desert Storm. Many of my family fought for this country bravely in the wars from WW two forward. My point is this: apparently what is happening in my classroom is occuring in classrooms across the nation. I wonder what happens when there is no older citizen with the gumption to stand up against the authority figure who is "teaching" the class? After years of being "taught" such, the kids who entered college leave less informed of our country's true heros than the day they arrived.
I hope that as people become aware of what is happening in the schools , they will take an active part in speaking up for what is sacred: the honorable service given by a few good men and women who are willing to risk the ultimate sacrifice for a greater good. God Bless the USA, and godspeed to those who are, and were willing to serve.
By Anonymous, at 7:40 AM
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I found your BLOG when reading about the UW crap on WorldNetDaily.com
This is typical of todays worldly, self centered, multicultural, 'tolerant', 'Global Community' (I.E. One world government) mindset.
Remember, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Those who forget God (and country) are doomed to reap what they have sown. We are seeing this today all across Amerika (yes, that's a 'K').
I can only hope that those "God Bless America" types out there really understand the challenge, and responsibility, we have to save this nation.
"...and My people who are called by My name humble themselves, pray and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways, then I will hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land."
[ 2Ch 6:37-39;]
Let us all repent and God WILL Bless America.
By Anonymous, at 9:27 AM