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The world may celebrate the end of the Western civilization
Pravda ^ | 13.02.2006 | Sergei Mikheev

Posted on 02/14/2006 8:38:23 PM PST by presidio9

The scandal with the publication of Prophet Muhammad caricatures in European newspapers has outlined a few rather interesting details. First of all, the world has become open as the West wanted it to be. Secondly, the multi-cultural aspect of Europe has become more than just obvious. The scandal with the cartoons is a very important lesson that Russia needs to learn.

Western politicians have been urging the whole world to become more open. According to the Western point of view, globalization is an inevitable and positive process. It therefore means that the so-called global openness should replace national sovereignty.

The idea of the globalized world has returned to the West as a serious blow. Production centers were moved to remote parts of the world long ago. The Western economy has lost its erstwhile power of competition. More importantly, the world’s biggest oil reserves are located outside the zone of the “gold billion.” To crown it all, the Western civilization has been declining steadily against the background of the propaganda of consumption and personal extra-comfort that have become norms in the Western lifestyle. Having children has become something like atavism in the West which causes too much discomfort and trouble to people's professional careers and personal development. Unlike the “highly developed Western civilization,” Asia , Africa and Latin America suffer from the overpopulation crisis. Western nations gradually lose their cultural identities giving way to undemanding enduring and charismatic nations which in their turn continue their invasion in the West by its own permission.

Indeed, the West has been successfully using the phenomenon of globalization for many years pursuing its selfish needs and minimizing negative consequences. Western countries interfere in other countries’ sovereign affairs, conquer foreign markets, control cash flows, attract cheaper labour force, etc. One has to acknowledge that the Western world has accomplished a lot at this point. On the other hand, every action has a reaction. The world, which the West has been ruthlessly transforming for years, has started to transform the West in return.

American and European politicians promote democracy as the ultimate social structure that should reign in the whole world. They should probably enjoy the victory of Hamas at the democratic elections in Palestine . The West thinks that it has a right to observe and control the fulfillment of democracy all over the world and endorse Western standards in other countries’ cultures. In return, the West has to witness global riots caused with a publication of several drawings in a provincial European newspaper. If the US or the EU administration believes that it is entitled to run a military action against a sovereign state, it means that many Americans may fall victims of a terrorist attack at any moment.

The Western standards have made the world look a fright. Social and political technologies may eventually play a malicious joke with the West. Many respectable politicians acknowledge nowadays that massive immigration may destroy the Western civilization in the end. Immigrants continue to conquer the world promoting their own needs and values. They play a serious role in Europe's political life already. It brings up the idea that they will become a powerful election force in both the USA and Europe in 10 or 15 years.

As a rule, immigrants preserve their national identity, which gives them a reason to defend their rights and needs. They express their protests when a European government bans the wearing of hijab headscarves in European schools. They put Paris in chaos burning thousands of cars and smashing windows. They demand respect for their traditions when European newspapers publish the controversial cartoons of Prophet Muhammad. They do not seem to care about the multicultural paradise on the globe which the West propagandizes so violently.

Immigration has become a serious problem for the USA too. Non-white Americans have become much more socially and politically active than they used to be in the past. There are US experts who think that immigrants and their growing families will eventually create one of the most serious problems for the USA ’s internal security in the 21st century.

It gives up the idea that there will not be a notion of the “Western world” in the future. Those nations which turn down their authenticity to the benefit of the myth about the globalized world will inevitably lose their viability under the pressure of alien aggressive cultures. The nations, which created the Western civilization decades ago and defended its standards and values throughout many bloody wars, do not feel at home in their own lands nowadays. They may continue to fight for homosexuals' rights and explore the nature of women’s orgasm, but they may also defend a right for lethal injections.

The Russian government must pay as much attention as possible to all of the above-mentioned problems. The Russian authorities need to develop a thought-out national policy and identify strategic national goals. Russia already suffers from regional separatism, the ongoing war in Chechnya, the growing extremist sentiments, etc.

American and European officials have perfectly exercised the groundbreaking power of propaganda and PR technologies. Their impact has overthrown empires, tyrants and even international associations. The West has managed to turn whole nations inside out without using missiles and bombs. The uncontrollable distribution of Islamic extremism in the world – the number one concern for the globe – and the growing popularity of such sentiments that leads to the establishment of terrorist networks originally spring from well-known Western political technologies. It is an open secret that the USA launchws several of such projects to struggle with the USSR during the Cold War era.

One may only hope that the global protest against the publication of Prophet Muhammad cartoons is just a single occurrence, or a result of a provocation that will never repeat again in the future and will not take the shape of a global anti-Western movement. It is obvious though that the world is changing right before our very eyes. If events like this continue to occur, the West may fall into a snake pit that it has dug out itself.


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1 posted on 02/14/2006 8:38:24 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9
Thank god I'm approaching 40.

I'd hate to be a whiteboy of 20. The World is gonna really unravel in the next 40 years.

2 posted on 02/14/2006 8:44:17 PM PST by bikepacker67 (Islam was born of Hagar the whore.)
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To: presidio9

"It is obvious though that the world is changing right before our very eyes"

On this point they are dead on. It's scaring the heck out of me, and it ain't all Islamofacist phobia either.


3 posted on 02/14/2006 8:45:27 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: jocon307

If we are going to have to have it out with the Muslims anyway, I say the sooner the better.


4 posted on 02/14/2006 8:47:42 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

Who would think the publication of some cartoons....CARTOONS, folks!......would be an idea for end of the world discussions......There are days when I do think I lived through the BEST of America.....and it's all downhill from here on out....BUT, I think we're in the middle of a war right now, and so my outlook is tainted.


5 posted on 02/14/2006 8:48:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: presidio9

Interesting analysis... it seems that Huntington was right after all. This century's theme is competing civilizations. The writer's basic premise that the West has created its own discontent seems sound, as well as the insight that the conquered peoples have returned to conquer the conquerer, so to speak. It appears my son is in for a lifetime of challenge.


6 posted on 02/14/2006 8:48:39 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: presidio9
What can we do.

As I write this, most women I know are watching Desperate Housewives and whining that gas is too expensive. The men are watching a game of ball, and whining about the same.

Try and relate the problems facing our culture, and they will shrug as if you have seven heads.

Seems rather hopeless at times.

7 posted on 02/14/2006 8:49:06 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: presidio9
Oh, brother. Yeah, we're on the ropes all right. Can't compete anymore. Washed up. Over the hill.

God forbid anyone at Pravda should glance at the economic numbers before writing this stuff...

8 posted on 02/14/2006 8:50:29 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: goodnesswins
......There are days when I do think I lived through the BEST of America.....and it's all downhill from here on out....

Possibly, but America is clearly greater today than it was 25 years ago. Why can't the trend continue?

9 posted on 02/14/2006 8:52:35 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: SteveMcKing

you are 100% dead-on


10 posted on 02/14/2006 8:53:04 PM PST by Jaysin
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To: Billthedrill

Geeze, what a bunck of knuckleheads! This is PRAVDA folks. Get a grip.


11 posted on 02/14/2006 8:55:51 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: jocon307; redpoll

We have some very good allies on our side.

Japan is key. They are a model culture, even a place one may flee to once America is overrun.

India will further awaken - they are already quite civil, largely. (Such a complex country though, their dynamics aren't clear to me...)


12 posted on 02/14/2006 8:56:19 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: presidio9

It can....as I said...."we're at war"....and I think that's tainting my "feelings." On the other hand, I think there's more than ONE war going on.....the War Against Terror, and the War Against Logic with America


13 posted on 02/14/2006 8:56:46 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Bump


14 posted on 02/14/2006 8:59:37 PM PST by The Mayor ( Check out my site http://www.rusthompson.com/HomeImprovementandRemodelingTips.html)
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To: goodnesswins

"Who would think the publication of some cartoons....CARTOONS, folks!......would be an idea for end of the world discussions......"

goodness, it is an excellent lesson of the pen IS mightier than the sword. I admit we don't know how it will all turn out in the end, but I've got faith in God and your screen name.

Amazing, astounding even, and I now there was corruption and incitement, but still, instructive.

The world IS changing right before our eyes. Maybe not changing so much as resolving unresolved business. Certainly the Islamofacists see it that way, we are fools if we don't take the long view too.


15 posted on 02/14/2006 8:59:55 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: SteveMcKing

India and Japan are among the most racist and xenophobic cultures on the planet. You want a good ally? Try Poland.


16 posted on 02/14/2006 9:04:10 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: SteveMcKing

Yeah, but the Asians are smart enough not to let too many foreigners in.

If China ever completely dumps Communism, it'll be almost unstoppable. China, Japan, India, South Korea....that area will be the world center of economic & military power in 2100. America peaked in the fifties. Sixties liberalism started us down the path of destruction.


17 posted on 02/14/2006 9:04:20 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: presidio9

I love Poland, but how long can they hold out against the EU? The rotten European countries will eventually force gay "marriage" and the other suicidal Euro policies on them.

India & Japan are just protecting themselves by not throwing their borders open. They see where it's led us.


18 posted on 02/14/2006 9:08:51 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: bikepacker67

"The World is gonna really unravel in the next 40 years."

Only if we of the Western World will allow it to happen.

The very first step is identifying the enemy of Christianity and the Western World it gave rise to (easy to do, but most are fearful of admitting who the enemy is). The second step is disseminate info (difficult thing to do if flow of info and freedom of speech is repressed). Third step is to work as a collective toward the benefit of Christianity and the Western World by defeating the enemy and thereby securing a future for our progeny (another easy task).

Clearly the most difficult task is identifying the enemy. Islam is one such enemy of Christianity. There are others that most are still unwilling to accept. The latter is the most arduous task.

Concomitant with the above is the task of ridding ourselves of the sense of collective guilty we feel toward the opposed camp, eg, 1) "for the children;" whose children?; 2) "these illegal aliens come to America for a job and a better future for their children;" again, here the question is which immigrants, is it the enemy or is it our European brother? 3) as another example, we often feel guilty for starving or diying people in the third world; this too has got to stop. Charity begins at home.


19 posted on 02/14/2006 9:08:54 PM PST by TheBrotherhood (Tancredo for President.)
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To: presidio9

The desire for openness was based on an expectation that people worldwide would want to live well (ie, indoor plumbing, electricity, etc) - That doesn't apply to suicidal jihadis. "Normal" people worldwide - not cultists...


20 posted on 02/14/2006 9:11:31 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle
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To: presidio9
As a rule, immigrants preserve their national identity,

Not if the melting pot is turned up good and hot. Here in America we do a pretty good job of stripping away the old culture. Just give us two or three generations and the old culture will be pushed aside and forgotten. The melting pot is ruthless but it's one of our strengths, and seems to be an advantage we have over Europe.

21 posted on 02/14/2006 9:11:41 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: puroresu

India and Japan's psychosises go back millenia. We had nothing to do with it. If we give either the chance, they will gladly walk all over us.


22 posted on 02/14/2006 9:13:09 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
"Immigration has become a serious problem for the USA too. Non-white Americans have become much more socially and politically active than they used to be in the past. There are US experts who think that immigrants and their growing families will eventually create one of the most serious problems for the USA ’s internal security in the 21st century."

And yet we keep the door wide open!

23 posted on 02/14/2006 9:14:24 PM PST by TheLion
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To: presidio9

I mis-read a word in your post....and now I like it....PSYCHOSISSIES


24 posted on 02/14/2006 9:14:58 PM PST by goodnesswins (Too many idiots....so little time.)
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To: goodnesswins
BTW, I'm pretty sure "psychosises" is not a real word. I make a point of never using spell check.
25 posted on 02/14/2006 9:16:48 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9

While the post contains some good points - for God's sake ! this is a Russian pointing out what's wrong with Western Civilization.

Please point out when Russia ever had it figured out better than us ?

Russia has always fought WITH U.S. in the end - so if another end is comming --- this article seems to really point out the enemy as, minorities and Islamic Idiocy, not the West.

In WWI deals were cut for the spoils of the Ottoman Empire before the "Great Game" was started. I'd bet there's some positioning going on right now.


26 posted on 02/14/2006 9:18:14 PM PST by jcon40
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Stellar Dendrite; lizol; Jan Malina

PING


27 posted on 02/14/2006 9:20:00 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: presidio9
"The world, which the West has been ruthlessly transforming for years, has started to transform the West in return."

What crap. The West has been "ruthlessly" transforming what peaceful nation that wasn't an enemy of free and civilized societies? If not for the West the tallest building in Africa would be a tree hut, the Soviet Union would still be in brutal control of their border nations and stepping over the dead bodies of everyone who dared object. Third-world nations would be greatly worse off than they are today, and Marxism, facism and mohammedism would be the chief rulers of the earth.

The U.S. has been spreading its wealth, technology, medicine and disaster aid all over this earth for the past 70 years. We have come to the aid of many a free people being oppressed or attacked. We even feed our enemies, like N. Korea.

These Russians are still tasting sour grapes from us overthrowing their real ruthless empire in the Cold War.

28 posted on 02/14/2006 9:20:07 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Yardstick

I agree. :)


29 posted on 02/14/2006 9:20:31 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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To: jcon40

Russia is one of the powers that want to destroy us. The article is written in Pravda, a KPRF controlled newssite.


30 posted on 02/14/2006 9:20:44 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: presidio9

Part of this is laughable when you know the facts. For example: "Having children has become something like atavism in the West which causes too much discomfort and trouble to people's professional careers and personal development"

A reduced birthrate IS a problem in the west. However, the birthrate in the USA is 2.07 births per couple, whereas Russia's is 1.2... equal to that of Italy and the only other major western nation that has a lower birth rate is Spain at 1.1 births per couple...

Check out this great article on that particular subject:
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760

But then again, Pravda's sophistries are what we have long come to expect from a country that is now ally to Syria, Iran and Cuba, and that is still interested in dealing with the North Koreans. We delude ourselves about Russia if we do not see them for what they really are. Pravda is merely the mouthpiece for the Russian master deceivers.


31 posted on 02/14/2006 9:21:09 PM PST by BardFan
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To: goodnesswins

PSYCHOSISSIES: Sounds like a typical Democrat male.


32 posted on 02/14/2006 9:21:09 PM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: SteveMcKing

truth bump


33 posted on 02/14/2006 9:22:59 PM PST by chasio649
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To: presidio9
To crown it all, the Western civilization has been declining steadily against the background of the propaganda of consumption and personal extra-comfort that have become norms in the Western lifestyle.

Looks like the same Soviet crap I've read before.

34 posted on 02/14/2006 9:24:27 PM PST by Once-Ler (The rat 06 election platform will be a promise to impeach the President if they win.)
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To: Thunder90
I don't agree that Russia wants to destroy us.

I think the article, and the Russians would like us to quit with our touchy feely liberal slant and endorse their slaughter of the Muslim's in Chechnya.
35 posted on 02/14/2006 9:26:14 PM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40
I think the article, and the Russians would like us to quit with our touchy feely liberal slant and endorse their slaughter of the Muslim's in Chechnya.

Yeah right. Name another place where Russia sides against the Muslims. Not that I am siding with the Chechens, but they are siding with them because they want their land under control. Meanwhile, they are helping Iran acquire nukes.

36 posted on 02/14/2006 9:28:41 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: Thunder90

Every development goes so far and then swings back. Conservatives winning elections is a sign that liberalism finally went too far (gay marriage). We need to be careful that we don't react too much and send the world into a depression. That is why I think Bush warned against isolationism and protectionism in the State of the Union.


37 posted on 02/14/2006 9:33:17 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: bikepacker67

Thanks.

Nothing like words of reassurance for this 27 year old.


38 posted on 02/14/2006 9:33:26 PM PST by Emmet Fitzhume (Mohammed was inspired by Satan; Read 2 Corinthians 11:14 for more information.)
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To: Yardstick
"Here in America we do a pretty good job of stripping away the old culture."

Yep, but unfortunately the old cultures that brought things like Christianity, morality, modesty and human dignity have been 'Americanized' and turned into legalized sodomy, homosexual marriage, abortion, euthenasia, feminism, liberalism, lewd attire, rampant divorce, pornography and total governmental seperation from God.

Make no mistake about it, islam is God's punishment on every nation that has turned their backs on Him. And as a nation we are as guilty as any other.

39 posted on 02/14/2006 9:33:28 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: presidio9
This guy is so right on the money, it is scary as it is true.

As a rule, immigrants preserve their national identity, which gives them a reason to defend their rights and needs.

Again, this guy's analysis is right on the money; look at our situation with the Mexican invasion.(taken care of business using our laws and winning).
This is the snake pit we build and we are getting bit by it at our own game.

Boy, how I hate this Russian guy for been right; Our Western style imposed democracy platform on other foreign nations is (like he said) going to bite us in our Democratic Westernised butt.

40 posted on 02/14/2006 9:34:21 PM PST by danmar ("Reason obeys itself,and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it....... Thomas Paine)
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To: BardFan
"Part of this is laughable when you know the facts. For example: "Having children has become something like atavism in the West which causes too much discomfort and trouble to people's professional careers and personal development"

You're so right. This statement coming from a Russian newspaper is laughable. Russia was the very first nation on earth to legalize abortion, and it was from Russia that this horror spread itself over the world.

41 posted on 02/14/2006 9:37:34 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: presidio9
I think the Russians have had it in several of the other fractured countries around Chechnya that have Muslim populations.

And in regards to Iran, I think they are bargaining with the West more so then the Iranians. They want to be sure to get their Iranian debts paid.
42 posted on 02/14/2006 9:38:42 PM PST by jcon40
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To: presidio9; puroresu
"India and Japan are among the most racist and xenophobic cultures on the planet."

Terms "racist" and "xenophobic" could be badges awarded by liberals and multiculturalists. Something like Purple Hearts accrued by an enemy.

Accepting your point, it is precisely their closed culture that makes them so strong. I wouldn't presume to bring our own obnoxious baggage into their land, but instead to assimilate.

As things are now, pop-Japanese culture is plenty in love with Western concepts, and the Indian work ethic is, "how do you say, PLEASE HOLD WHILE I CONNECT YOU, MA'AM..."

"Yeah, but the Asians are smart enough not to let too many foreigners in."

Then we must incentivize their coming here. At least in bigger numbers than the present usurpers we face.

Here's hoping it won't come to that anyway. Even as strictly operational allies, they will be important, failing the exchange of our population as some desperate experiment to save ourselves...

43 posted on 02/14/2006 9:38:55 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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To: TheCrusader
Just as an addendum to # 41, never trust a Russian.
44 posted on 02/14/2006 9:41:32 PM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Terms "racist" and "xenophobic" could be badges awarded by liberals and multiculturalists.

I am neither. Also, the Japanese economy has been a mess for 15 years. They are going to continue to experience similiar growing pains to our own.

India, not China is the most likely to replace us as the global economic leader. But this will still take several generations.

45 posted on 02/14/2006 9:44:40 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
Addendum to my last post please ?

I do agree they want the Chechnyan land under control - and the politics there too. And, they'd like some of the other land they lost in the breakup of the Soviet Union.

I just don't want to call the Russians "Worse" enemies than the Islamofascists
46 posted on 02/14/2006 9:45:19 PM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

Nothing would make the Russians happier than if they could stay neutral while we fought it out with Islam. They are allies of convenience and nothing more.


47 posted on 02/14/2006 9:49:44 PM PST by presidio9 ("Bird Flu" is the new Y2K Virus -Only without the inconvenient deadline.)
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To: presidio9
Yeah, it was getting old anyways.

You get tired of all this freedom stuff and long for the times when we were all ruled by tyrants and overlords.

Yup, who needs freedom. Apparently the rest of the world doesn't....... < /sarcasm off >

48 posted on 02/14/2006 9:51:24 PM PST by R_Kangel ("Those who follow wise men shall become wise, ......those who follow fools shall be destroyed !!!")
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To: presidio9

F the sheetheads!!!

If they are real men then they would not be sending women and children to do the dirty work while they hide IED's in the dark.

Come on you wimps- fight us face to face.

Ready and waiting for your chicken&h!t a$$e$...


49 posted on 02/14/2006 9:54:57 PM PST by ChefKeith (Flies,fleas,ants,ticks,cockroaches,bad cops,lawyers,judges & politicians All the same. Useless!!!)
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To: presidio9

I agree - we've used them too ! I think we have them in a pickle on Iran. The Russians aren't stupid.

Another post above said "Never trust a Russian". I agree with that comment too. But, I'd rather split booty in the end with Russians then Muslims


50 posted on 02/14/2006 9:55:54 PM PST by jcon40
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