Posted on 02/15/2006 1:52:05 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
It's a problem that they did not need in light of that same larger scheme of things.
AndI don;t understand this notion that this story doesn't have legs...for a story sans legs, it's been standing quite well.
You don't think that the VP shooting someone is news?
Shit, we still talk about Burr shooting Hamilton.
I know, I just caught that.
The problem was the delay, not the act, assuming that Cheney was not drunk, as I assume. That is why it doesn't have legs. In the end, there is no substantive issue, just a procedural issue. If it were Bush rather than Cheney, that would be another matter.
As an asides, I think I'm submitting an idea to the Federal Reserve Bank for a new coin celebrating the office of the vice president.
I see a dollar coin with Hamilton on one side and Whittington on the other and a hole the size of a 38 slug in the center.
LOL. God, how you love to twist the knife. You should have been a lawyer.
Exactly.
Everyone knows that the media has it in for this administration, we understand the nature of the beast, and I am SURE that the Bush/Cheney press staff knows them as well.
That they would do something to kick the beast into a rage, then sit back an act perplexed at the beast's behavior is just beyond comprehension.
If they didn't forecast the media's reaction at the delay in announcing the shooting, they should be fired. If they delayed the announcement in order to work the media up into a rage, they should be fired as well.
To do this while all the other crap is going on is unbelievable.
My brother (the lawyer) and my ex sister in law (the judge) say that all the time.
I noticed you support Allen for president, whom I think would be a disasterous choice, so what do you know? :) Meanwhile your fellow Cuban Menendez took the lead in the latest poll over the aristocratic WASP scion Kean. I find that annoying. :)
I'm not sure that I "support" him yet, but I've been getting a lot of noise on his electability, and I think that he may lead the pack for the GOP right now. If Hillary runs, that picture of Allen with his All-American wife and kids plays well against Bill and Hill, the most disfunctional family in politics since the Borgias.
I am going to see Giuliani in a couple of weeks, and I'll ask him the same question I've asked him these past two years...what are the top three names on his short list of running mates. He laughs every time I ask him, but I think Rudy has a lot of baggage and he won' fly with the old guard, or with the right to lifers.
So, you pushing a Tancredo/Buchanan ticket these days?
Ya, Tancredo and Buchanan are my heroes. I post that all the time. Without their leadership, America will be run by Mexican front men, controlled by the Chinese, with the Joooz the real power behind the curtain, and America will produce nothing but sick Hollyweird subversive stuff, and lawsuits, and hamburger flippers, with all the jobs either going to folks of the wrong color living either within or without the US. Thank God for my IRA account.
Naw...just attending a Zig Ziglar seminar that I attend every year; Rudi seems to make the Florida leg of the tour regularly.
How friggin' unusual, New Yorkers in Florida during winter.
Colin Powell, Suze Orman, and Dr. Phil will be there too.
I hear that they are running Publix these days.
Back to the topic at hand...I wonder if Cheney shooting a lawyer will bring his job approval numbers up.
Publix today, tomorrow the world.
Cheney's numbers will move in tandem with Congressmen's Ney's numbers. Well maybe not exactly, but well, sort of.
And yes they would, if Harry were still practicing. But Harry is 78, and now just a sweet old man, regretting his evil past, and praying for forgiveness for his sins. So that angle won't help the VP.
Bull crap back at you. You continue to miss the point. Even if Cheney had done everything you wanted him to do in terms of handling the incident, e.g., sending out a press release within minutes of the shooting, he would still be attacked for being drunk, an adulterer, etc. The Dems/MSM would still be calling for more information and details and sound skeptical of anything Cheney said.
Now you and the rest want to play Dionne Warwick, and base your defense on your unprovable claim that the reaction would have been the same had his staff reported the accident faster to the American people.Well, they wouldn't have the luxury of speculating about the delay, would they?
You are very naive if you believe that the Dems/MSM would have handled the story much differently if "his staff reported the accident faster to the American people." First of all, you don't speak for the American people. I seriously doubt that they would care that they didn't receive this news Saturday night and had to wait until Sunday morning to learn of this "earth-shattering" event. The MSM/Dems are making this a mountain out of a mole hill and you are gullible enough to believe it. The reporting "delay" is just another straw the MSM/Dems are grasping to smear Cheney and the WH. The event itself is the story and has become the central target of their attacks.
The problem is what DID happen as a result of what he DID DO.
NOTHING HAPPENED. The WH issued a statement that it had no problem with the way the situation was handled. The police found that it was an accident and that no alcohol was involcved. The victim is recovering nicely and will be released shortly from the hospital. The victim also states that it was an accident and can't understand what all the fuss is about. You, the MSM, and the Dems need to get over it and move on.
It sure wouldn't have provoked the same media hissy fit.
Cordially,
So, it's OK for him to do something objectionable because you "divined" what would have happened had he done the right thing?
Laughable.
Even if you are right, it does not change one simple fact...there is a right way and a wrong way to do something, and the wrong way is never the right way to do it, regardless of your excuse.
If my children got in trouble at school, and they failed to tell me because they figured that they were getting in trouble anyway, they would be doing the wrong thing, and they would be guilty of TWO transgressions, not one. I don't teach them that the right choice is to NOT tell me, and I expect them to tell me right away.
By his actions he not only unleashed a negative reaction from the left, but a also from a great portion of the right.
You guys may call Peggy Noonan, Ari Fleischer, and Marlin Fitzwater a bunch of names for disagreeing with Cheney, but that doesn't make you Right, or them wrong.
I don't want anyone in this administration handling situations based on how they believe the media will react, I want them to do things based on what is right , and what is wrong.
To continue insisting that nothing happened with job approval numbers in the toilet for both Bush and Cheney, while we head into a crucial mid term election is quite honestly speaking, being stupid.
"First of all, you don't speak for the American people."
Fair enough.
"I seriously doubt that they would care that they didn't receive this news Saturday night and had to wait until Sunday morning to learn of this "earth-shattering" event."
OH!
YOU speak for the American people!!!!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!
I think Cheney did it the right way. He allowed sufficient time for the notification of the victim's family, prevented the immediate MSM frenzy, which would have descended on the victim and the two hospitals, and for a more complete evaluation of the victim's condition. The proper legal authorities were notifified almost immediately of the incident. There was no urgency in making this public. The WH and Cheney have not offered any excuses or apology to the MSM. I agree with them.
If my children got in trouble at school, and they failed to tell me because they figured that they were getting in trouble anyway, they would be doing the wrong thing, and they would be guilty of TWO transgressions, not one. I don't teach them that the right choice is to NOT tell me, and I expect them to tell me right away.
Poor analogy. The MSM are not Cheney's parents or arbiters of what is right or wrong. Cheney committed no transgressions against the MSM or the American public. He notified the proper legal authorities in a timely matter. The VP was not injured nor was there any impediment for him to carry out his assigned official duties.
By his actions he not only unleashed a negative reaction from the left, but a also from a great portion of the right.
You can hyperventilate and exaggerate all you want. I don't agree with your description of the reaction. Cheney just received a warm and rousing welcome from the Wyoming legistlature. A few kooks on the Left and a couple of RINOs on the right don't count for me.
In fact, in terms of political advantage, the entire incident has shown how ridiculous the Dems and the MSM have become. IMO, their over reaction to the incident are much more damaging and revealing than Cheney's "failure" to notify the MSM immediately of the event. It is much ado about nothing and follows the continuing pattern of MSM/Dem overreach.
You guys may call Peggy Noonan, Ari Fleischer, and Marlin Fitzwater a bunch of names for disagreeing with Cheney, but that doesn't make you Right, or them wrong.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how uninformed or ridiculous.
To continue insisting that nothing happened with job approval numbers in the toilet for both Bush and Cheney, while we head into a crucial mid term election is quite honestly speaking, being stupid.
Bush and Cheney aren't running for reelection. The Dems and the MSM are attacking the administration to lower its approval numbers. I am more concerned with the effect of the Duke Cunningham/Abramoff scandals, the trade deficit, and the war in Iraq on the mid-terms than a hunting accident in Texas. The fact that you are buying the MSM/Dem nonsense about this incident is also a concern to me. I hope there are not other self-described broken glass Reps who believe as you do.
OH! YOU speak for the American people!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!
As usual, you miss the point. You have been making sweeping generalizations about the impact of this incident on the American public and pontificating on what is right and wrong. You are entitled to your opinions, but so am I and the others on this thread. Your reaction to those who disagree with you is similar to the wild-eyed vitriol and nonsense spewed by the Left and the talking heads on cable news.
It is old news now. The MSM/Dems are now standing by to pounce on the next blip on the radar screen. Or maybe it is time to return to the "domestic spying" scandal or Abu Garib or Gitmo or Cindy Sheehan or Murtha or Bush lied about WMD or the failure to provide body armor, etc., etc., etc., etc.,
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