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Al Franken: Cheney "Had Been Drinking" or is "An Amazing Jerk, or Both"
Scarborough Country/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 02/15/2006 8:03:01 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

February 15, 2006 - 22:50

I suppose that quoting Al Franken for evidence of liberal media bias is, if you'll excuse the expression, like shooting fish in a barrel.

Nevertheless, perhaps it's useful for the archives to record one of Franken's remarks this evening in the course of his appearance on MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country.'

Commenting on Vice President Cheney's failure to follow Harry Whittington to the hospital, Franken stated:

"It's inconceivable that you don't go to the hospital unless there's a reason you don't go to the hospital. If you had been drinking, you wouldn't go to the hospital. Or, you're an amazing jerk, that's the other. Or both."

Well, at least Al offered a couple options.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alcohol; alfranken; cheney; dopeydems; franken; harrywhittington; msnbc; scarborough; shooting; smear; whittington
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1 posted on 02/15/2006 8:03:03 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Someone who gets zero ratings on TV quoting someone who gets zero ratings on radio. All hail the New Media!


2 posted on 02/15/2006 8:04:58 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (I sold a short story today--yeah, me! :))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

What did Al think Ted Kennedy's excuse was?


3 posted on 02/15/2006 8:05:04 PM PST by Numbers Guy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Wow, two attempts at putting a punchline on this story, and neither one of them is funny. Al has certainly not lost his comedic touch.


4 posted on 02/15/2006 8:06:00 PM PST by HHFi
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; netmilsmom; Diogenesis; YaYa123; MEG33; ...

Al Franken-phobia ping to the Today Show ping list.


5 posted on 02/15/2006 8:07:34 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: Numbers Guy

What was Cheney supposed to do at the hospital?
He knew that the fellow was OK.


6 posted on 02/15/2006 8:07:43 PM PST by bybybill (If the Rats win, we are doomed)
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To: All
From the show:


7 posted on 02/15/2006 8:08:49 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Scarborough is an $ss for having him on.


8 posted on 02/15/2006 8:09:23 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: HHFi
Al Franken

Comidic touch

Reminds me of a song I used to hear on Sesame Street years ago.

One of these things is not like the other
One of these things is not quite the same

9 posted on 02/15/2006 8:10:18 PM PST by mountn man (Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Or, you're the Vice-President of the United States and the Secrete Service won't allow you to go anywhere they have not sent an Advance Team to.
10 posted on 02/15/2006 8:11:15 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Why is it the case that some four-eyed, smirking monkey's opinions are newsworthy?

Perhaps it's the case that the chimp flatters the prejudices of the idiot class that resides in Manhattan.

11 posted on 02/15/2006 8:11:35 PM PST by Reactionary (The Moonbats Need an Enema)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Anyone notice that the hospital guy giving out the info on Whittington looks like the Donut Eating FAKE SCIENTIST on the Holiday Inn Express commercials!!


12 posted on 02/15/2006 8:12:03 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: HHFi
Wow, two attempts at putting a punchline on this story, and neither one of them is funny.

When Al Franken isn't funny, he gets mean. And he's never funny.

13 posted on 02/15/2006 8:12:19 PM PST by Darkwolf377 (I sold a short story today--yeah, me! :))
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To: BlueAngel

Scarborough is an ass, even with Al off the show..

Semper Fi


14 posted on 02/15/2006 8:12:28 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: BlueAngel

Amen! Why anyone who even pretends to be a real media source would interview this ass, I have no idea!

Why not just interview Paris Hilton and ask her opinion of the whole thing? You'd get the same depth and weighty response.


15 posted on 02/15/2006 8:12:37 PM PST by JanetteS (http://CommonSenseRunsWild.com)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If anyone knows a jerk when they see one, its Franken. He's been seeing one in the mirror his entire life.


16 posted on 02/15/2006 8:13:55 PM PST by mountn man (Tact is for people not witty enough to be sarcastic.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Franken seems to have a knack for accusing others of substance abuse. Any background history of his that makes him an expert?


17 posted on 02/15/2006 8:14:48 PM PST by M1911A1
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Cheney is surrounded by law officers 24-7, so there is zero chance he could drink and any of them would allow him to then handle a gun.


18 posted on 02/15/2006 8:15:08 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yeah I was tuned in to this sorry episode. I guess it never bothered either one to think that just maybe the secret service "taking over" a wing of the hospital to protect the VP just may have been a bit disruptive.

Al, the idiot, Franken keeps insinuating Cheney was drunk because the high sheriff didn't ride into the ranch and test everybody. I heard the secret service called the sheriff within an hour and told them the VP was available if needed and the sheriff told them he would see them the next morning.

I think this was on "Hairball" with Chrissie and he didn't like the guy saying it. I watch so many of the left wing moonbats just to keep an eye on the enemy. It's also a very, very entertaining habit.

Thanks GLGB for all the pings and all you do.


19 posted on 02/15/2006 8:16:34 PM PST by Chuck54 (SCOTUS - Us 2, Them 0. Who's next?)
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To: BlueAngel

Scarborough is an a$$, period.

I am sure that Cheney didn't want the attention that would have to directed HIS way...if he went to the hospital.

This was about his friend...and the hospital, and doctors did not need the headache of the VPOTUS showing up at the hospital.


20 posted on 02/15/2006 8:17:13 PM PST by Txsleuth
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

This is a simple case of two losers helping each other, Scarborough (a loser with ratings nearly in the basement) brings on another loser (Franken) who says outrageous things that will offend any reasonable, decent person (which leaves out most of the current 'Rats and DUmmies).

Viola! Lots of offended, indignant people who might even tune in Scarborough next time to see who the NEXT offensive loser of a guest is going to be!

Like they say in show business, "ANY publicity is GOOD publicity".

Joe knows. So does Al.


21 posted on 02/15/2006 8:18:36 PM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The face of the left in this country


22 posted on 02/15/2006 8:18:36 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: Chuck54

Thanks for your comment, Chuck. It really is my pleasure.


23 posted on 02/15/2006 8:18:42 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: Numbers Guy

What did Al think Ted Kennedy's excuse was?




Rumsfeld vs. Kennedy

Politics Anonymous writes Subject: Rumsfeld vs. Kennedy


You will only understand the symbolism of the following if you learned
through extraneous history or were old enough to have watched it play out
that Ted Kennedy drove off of a bridge in Massachusetts on his way to an
island with Mary Joe Kopechne in the late 60's.

He did NOT seek help to rescue her when he surfaced. Instead he made his
way to a hotel, called friends and the next morning reported the accident.

She was, needless to say, both dead and wet. Kennedy faced no type of
any censure or reprimand, much less any legal punishment for this negligent
act of manslaughter.

Kennedy power extends wide in that part of America. You have got to the
chutzpah of Rumsfeld.


February 05, 2004

Rumsfeld: Kennedy 'All Wet' About Bush Lies

(5 Feb 2004) -- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Sen Edward M.
Kennedy yesterday that he was "all wet" when the Senator alleged that the
Bush administration lied about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction to
justify
going to war.

The verbal clash came during Mr. Rumsfeld's testimony at a Senate Armed
Services Committee hearing probing the state of pre-war intelligence.

Sen. Kennedy began his questioning of the Defense Secretary by saying,
"Don't you think some members of the Bush administration should be held
legally accountable for the lies they told about Iraqi weapons, and the
subsequent cover-up?"

"First, with all due respect Senator Kennedy, you're all wet," said Mr.
Rumsfeld . "The administration has not lied or covered up. However, in
general I do believe that when a man commits a crime he should face the
bar
of justice. He should not be allowed to serve in positions of power in our
government, and be hailed as a leader, when the question of his guilt
remains unresolved, if you know what I mean."

"I'm sure I do not know what you mean," Mr. Kennedy said. "But the
American
people deserve to know why you can't find Saddam's weapons of mass
destruction."

"Sometimes things are hard to find, even when you know where they are,"
said
Mr. Rumsfeld. "For example, I've heard of a man who missed a bridge and
drove his car into the water, even though he knew where the bridge was.
And
then sometimes you just keep diving into a problem and despite repeated
efforts, you come up empty handed. That doesn't mean that nothing's
there.
As you know, eventually, the truth comes to light."

Having no further questions, Mr. Kennedy yielded the remainder of his
time.


24 posted on 02/15/2006 8:23:33 PM PST by danamco
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Al Franken's daddy had to have been both a drunk and quite indiscriminate in what he was "nailing". The same can be said for his mama.


25 posted on 02/15/2006 8:24:07 PM PST by Howie66 ("America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our people.")
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

You guys keep bringin up "Al Franklin." Who the hell is this guy? Was he an anti-Vietnam war veteren like Kerry?


26 posted on 02/15/2006 8:25:19 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: M1911A1

Franken no longer has any experience with substance abuse since he gave up doing an eight ball of coke on a daily basis.

He considers the lines he does before going out in public just like a regular coffee.


27 posted on 02/15/2006 8:29:36 PM PST by romanesq
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To: BlueAngel

He is an $ss no matter who is on!


28 posted on 02/15/2006 8:30:41 PM PST by dmw
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To: Cobra64
Al "Franken" is an anti-American, liberal, used-up comedian has-been, failed news commentator that hates anything that resembles conservatism.

Franken is a POS.

29 posted on 02/15/2006 8:32:42 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: HHFi

Franken is a talentless loser. He's a bitter little man.


30 posted on 02/15/2006 8:33:56 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Al Franken knows about jerks. This is the guy who is being paid with stolen money from a charity.

It seems PMSNBC has reached the bottom of the barrel for guests. Bill Maher last night, Sidney Bloomenthal and Al Franken tonight. You can't get any lower than that.

They must be trying to reach the kooky moonbats since no one else is watching.

31 posted on 02/15/2006 8:35:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Commenting on Vice President Cheney's failure to follow Harry Whittington to the hospital, Franken stated:

And then what? Hop on the helicopter with him when they move Whittington to the larger hospital, along with his SS protection? Hope they brought a big helicopter.

Franken is an ass, pure and simple.

"Hey Al! Taken any money from kids and Alzheimer's patients this week? "

32 posted on 02/15/2006 8:37:42 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
LOL, as if the VP's SS would let him or ANYONE around a gun if they were drinking!

MSNBC should be ashamed.
33 posted on 02/15/2006 8:42:53 PM PST by roses of sharon ("I would rather men ask why I have no statue, than why I have one". ) (Cato the Elder)
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To: TC Rider

Al is a "major league Clymer".


34 posted on 02/15/2006 8:44:06 PM PST by dc-zoo
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To: Reactionary

But the chimps are smarter.


35 posted on 02/15/2006 8:48:59 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: 2111USMC

And that is putting it kindly!


36 posted on 02/15/2006 8:51:48 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: Shortstop7
Sorry I "candy-coated" it!
37 posted on 02/15/2006 8:54:13 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: M1911A1

>>
Franken seems to have a knack for accusing others of substance abuse. Any background history of his that makes him an expert?
<<

His Saturday Night Live nickname was "Hoover." What could that possibly insinuate?

Al was equally as critical about Clinton's non-reaction to Vince Foster's death, wasn't he?


40 posted on 02/15/2006 10:08:05 PM PST by noblejones (Ben Stein for President, 2008.)
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To: A CA Guy
A note of sanity!

Thank you.

41 posted on 02/15/2006 10:10:48 PM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; All

Scarborough is a useless Robert Kennedy Jr. groupie/crony.


42 posted on 02/15/2006 10:12:59 PM PST by faithincowboys
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To: Darkwolf377

f franken


43 posted on 02/15/2006 10:13:04 PM PST by RIGHT IN LAS VEGAS
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To: M1911A1

http://www.nndb.com/people/476/000022410/


In real life, Franken has been a member of Al-Anon, a support group for the families and friends of alcoholics, since 1987. His wife Franni's alcoholism is said to be the basis for Franken's ongoing interest in the subject. Davis is also said to have had substance-abuse problems, which may have contributed to the eventual break-up of Franken & Davis.


http://www.lyingliar.com/media/drugrush.htm

Franken the Coke-head

When Al was on MSNBC's "Donahue" show, in response to a charge that Bernie Goldberg took a statement out of context in his book, a man named Phil called in and asked Franken: "Are you back on cocaine?" As Newsmax noted: It seemed like a cheap shot, but a little research has revealed that "Phil" may be on to something in an effort to explain what Franken was saying.

A Feb. 25, 1986, article by TV writer Tom Shales in the Washington Post discusses two books about NBC's "Saturday Night Live," where Franken was a writer, co-producer and performer. Noting that "drugs were everywhere," including an abundance of cocaine which Franken has admitted to partaking in. Shales also says "Franken used LSD on the premises while writing a Nixon sketch."



Just a druggie - Not an addict?

In a Feb. 23, 1995, interview in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, Franken said, regarding his use of drugs when he was with "Saturday Night Live":

"I did my share of recreational drugs. I was lucky in that I never became addicted to anything. There'd be cocaine around the show, and if it was 3 a.m. in the morning (in midweek) and I wanted to finish something I was writing, I'd do some. But for some reason, toss of the dice, I was not addicted, at least not to drugs."

Very interesting. If Franken was telling the truth (which one can never tell) the following is twice as interesting:



12 Step Program

In an October 1991 interview he did for The Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Franken was questioned about Stuart Smalley, a (to be polite) not so much 'funny' character he created for Saturday Night Live. The probing questions about Stuart’s origins seemed to have touched a nerve, as Franken is reported to have said,

“There's sort of a personal story behind this that I actually don't want to talk about....I am a member of a 12-step program.”

If Franken was being truthful in saying he didn't get hooked on cocaine when he was hitting it, what did he get addicted to? Alcohol? Masturbation? It's none of our business. Just as Rush's addiction was none of anyone's business. So why does Franken relish in ridiculing Rush's problem, when he's gone through a similar situation and didn't even have the guts to come clean with a full disclosure?

UPDATE: A viewer mails in and said that Al is/has been active in AlAnon, which is a support group for the families of people with addictions, not for those who have active addiction themselves. This complicates things further as, it puts Franken's Stuart Smalley character in an entirely different light, since Smalley is a ridicule of the ridiculousness of the hacky, touchy feely programs that AlAnon and others routinely put their members through. Whatever the case: it's none of our business, and Franken shouldn't have been ridiculed for wishing not to talk about his involvements with addiction any more than Rush should be for having the guts to come clean and get help with his medical ailment.



Franken's Excuse:

The Oct. 5, 2002, Dallas Morning News quotes Franken as saying that when he was with "Saturday Night Live":

"I only did cocaine to stay awake to make sure nobody else did too much cocaine. That was the only reason I did it. Heah-heh."

How cute. But this is hypocrisy plus 10 here. As Ben Shapiro says: "Unlike recreational drug addiction, prescription painkiller addiction belongs squarely in the medical arena. Recreational drug addiction is just that -- recreational. A junkie first picks up marijuana, cocaine or heroin in order to have a good time. No one prescribes heroin for back pain. But for many who become addicted to prescription painkillers, the dealer who gets them hooked is their family doctor."


http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/11.29/04-franken.html


Franken gave some history about one of the creations he's best known for, the "Saturday Night Live" character Stuart Smalley, who he said arose from Franken's experience in Al-Anon, a support program for people with family members who are alcoholics. When he first arrived, Franken said he didn't take some of the people in the program seriously, but as things went on, he realized they were saying some important things.

"[Stuart] wasn't my way of making fun of 12-step programs, it's my way of explaining it," Franken said.


44 posted on 02/15/2006 10:29:54 PM PST by gkm1959
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To: A CA Guy
Cheney is surrounded by law officers 24-7, so there is zero chance he could drink and any of them would allow him to then handle a gun.

In his own words he did drink at lunch, so this is a moot point.

Better question/point would be how much time passed from when he drank till they started hunting again. Sounded like it was a while. Can't say as I wouldn't do the same on a sweet hunting ranch like that, but as many of us know it's still pretty dumb to have even one and then go shooting.

Past that, and barring any further drama, this is all a bit of a non-story story.

45 posted on 02/15/2006 10:36:49 PM PST by mancogasuki (Live Free Or Die.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
This will never end...
46 posted on 02/15/2006 10:40:38 PM PST by Bender2 (Redid my FR Homepage just for ya'll... Now, Vote Republican and vote often!)
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To: mancogasuki

A beer with food at lunch hours before he went back out into the field to hunt.
He is with law officers who are watching him.

He could NOT have been intoxicated if that is what you are suggesting.
No way his protection (who are law officers) would allow him to be intoxicated with a weapon.
With his condition, I doubt he really ever would want to get intoxicated anyway.


47 posted on 02/15/2006 11:37:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Nevertheless, perhaps it's useful for the archives to record one of Franken's remarks this evening in the course of his appearance on MSNBC's 'Scarborough Country.'

What kind of audience watches PMSNBC anymore?

48 posted on 02/16/2006 2:01:10 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat ((I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!))
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I heard that Ole Al is getting 2 million dollars a year salary from Air American? Is there a post on this?


49 posted on 02/16/2006 2:44:03 AM PST by Fred
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