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Furor Erupts Over Recordings of Saddam
NT Sun ^ | February 16, 2006 | ELI LAKE

Posted on 02/16/2006 1:32:20 AM PST by mal

Two former CIA directors have resigned from the board of the organization planning tomorrow to make public secret recordings of Saddam Hussein and his advisers.

In the last week both John Deutch and James Woolsey abruptly left their positions at Intelligence Summit, according to its president, John Loftus, who said their departure is part of a campaign by the directorate of national intelligence to punish him for releasing the recordings.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deutch; iraq; jameswoolsey; johndeutch; loftus; okcbombing; saddam; saddamtapes; wmd; wmds; woolsey
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1 posted on 02/16/2006 1:32:21 AM PST by mal
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To: mal

Interesting! We will shortly see if Loftus overhyped what he had. What I saw of them on ABC's Nightline was very tantalizing.


2 posted on 02/16/2006 1:44:07 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mal
Mr. Loftus, however, expressed disagreement. "There is a candid discussion between Saddam and his top aides to launch a sneak attack against the United States, whether to use a nuclear or germ weapon. It is discussed that maybe we would have the others do it, that is an unclear reference. It becomes very clear, though. Saddam thinks this is something the Iraqis should do."

We will be waiting for the mea culpas to start from the left. From Al Gore all the way down the kook food chain!

3 posted on 02/16/2006 1:45:35 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: mal
Here's an interesting little tidbit:

The 12 hours of recorded conversations are part of a vast trove of untranslated documents, recordings, videotape, and photographs captured in Iraq during the war. Whether this information will be examined for clues to the whereabouts of WMD stockpiles is a matter of debate within the intelligence community.

Why is there debate on this?

L

4 posted on 02/16/2006 1:45:42 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

The debate is about how they will try to cover their A$$e$!


5 posted on 02/16/2006 1:47:20 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: radioproducer; Tony Snow; saveliberty

PING!


6 posted on 02/16/2006 1:55:59 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG.....(Cedar Dave has admitted to being 2 of the 4))
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To: Lurker

OPINION: I believe "debate" is probably a poor choice of words. It's more about who has the huevos and the desire to do the right thing by following up on whatever is on those tapes.


7 posted on 02/16/2006 1:58:54 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Lurker
Between these tapes which show Saddam's obsession with WMDs and his henchmen's ability and willingness to continue at his command and the Disclosures by former Iraqi General Sada os WMD transfers to Syria, there should be a second look at the the material they have.
8 posted on 02/16/2006 2:01:25 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mal

From the media accounts I have read it sounds like Saddam was giving veiled suggestions about what he would like to have happen.

Like a mafia don he doesn't come out and say "kill the guy". He merely states that "someday that man will be dead".


9 posted on 02/16/2006 2:02:22 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 31-69)
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To: mal
Isn't there a few red blooded American dudes that can translate these documents and tapes. Surely there are a few around that could be paid $50 an hour to transcribe this crap. We have been waiting for a couple of years now and haven't even scratched the surface.

There must be some that Saddam cut their arms off or something and they ran to America that would be willing to do this work.

10 posted on 02/16/2006 2:06:07 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Lurker

I imagine the difference is in the timeline covered by the material. Unless it goes right up to the near beginning of the war, when Saddam actually made the decision and moved the WMD, then the material is only of historic interest. Water under the bridge so to speak with little value to the ongoing operations. They may, and probably do, have lots of material for use in Saddam's trial but they probably think they already have more than enough for that.

They are probably more of a curiosity than of any real value. Except of course rehabilitating Bush's reputation with the Democrats and media and he doesn't seem too concerned with that.


11 posted on 02/16/2006 2:09:55 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Cindy
You may be right. I just can't believe the CIA doesn't have some DLI translators poring over that stuff 24-7.

L

12 posted on 02/16/2006 2:12:03 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: mal

So why are non-government people/groups in possession of all these documents and tapes?


13 posted on 02/16/2006 2:12:26 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: mal

"There is a candid discussion between Saddam and his top aides to launch a sneak attack against the United States, whether to use a nuclear or germ weapon. It is discussed that maybe we would have the others do it, that is an unclear reference. It becomes very clear, though. Saddam thinks this is something the Iraqis should do."

SADDAM IS GUILTY AS SIN!


14 posted on 02/16/2006 2:14:24 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Between these tapes which show Saddam's obsession with WMDs and his henchmen's ability and willingness to continue at his command and the Disclosures by former Iraqi General Sada os WMD transfers to Syria, there should be a second look at the the material they have."

There is also confirmation of what Sada is claiming by Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti.

ANOTHER FORMER HIGH-RANKING IRAQI OFFICIAL CONFIRMS WMD WENT TO SYRIA
The Changed Baathist: Interview with Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti

By: Ryan Mauro
TDCAnalyst@aol.com

RM: Why do you think Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are in Syria? Why didn't he use them or simply destroy them before the war?

IT: I know Saddam's weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980's that dealt with the event that either capitols were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn't going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted."

(excerpt from article at:)
http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_...alk_tikriti.htm


15 posted on 02/16/2006 2:17:47 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Lurker

Well,it's an interesting article.
The follow-up to this article
may prove to be just as or even
more interesting.


16 posted on 02/16/2006 2:18:03 AM PST by Cindy
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To: gr8eman

Don't hold your breath. We could find out that Hussein had planned a nuclear strick on DC just hours after he was overthrown, and the leftists in this nation would say something like, "But Bush didn't know that! He lied!"

The left is whacked. You can't take back whacked. It's a state of being. It isn't going to change.


17 posted on 02/16/2006 2:18:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: gr8eman
The debate is about how they will try to cover their A$$e$!

Yep. You nailed it but I'd add the twist that they're also covering their patrician dim Senators' collective posteriors.

18 posted on 02/16/2006 2:21:28 AM PST by Toadman
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To: Kimberly GG
Thanks! I think with all of this the only reason that they would not investigate the documents and other materials they have is because some in the intelligence community would try to block it to cover their sixes for not getting to this earlier.

I suppose with the material in Syria they figure there is not much we could do, short of war, that would cause the Syrians to admit they have the material.

19 posted on 02/16/2006 2:23:19 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: chuckles
Isn't there a few red blooded American dudes that can translate these documents and tapes

One of the problems with audio tapes of Arabic speakers is to understand the meaning of the conversation without seeing the gestures.

The meaning of phrases spoken in private to people in attendence have winks, nods, head & hand gestures that define what's being said.

Only arabic audio produced to be solely audio can be parsed by a linguist.

The Godfather example in the prior post is quite true.

20 posted on 02/16/2006 2:34:19 AM PST by leadhead (Itís a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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