Skip to comments.Furor Erupts Over Recordings of Saddam
Posted on 02/16/2006 1:32:20 AM PST by mal
Two former CIA directors have resigned from the board of the organization planning tomorrow to make public secret recordings of Saddam Hussein and his advisers.
In the last week both John Deutch and James Woolsey abruptly left their positions at Intelligence Summit, according to its president, John Loftus, who said their departure is part of a campaign by the directorate of national intelligence to punish him for releasing the recordings.
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Interesting! We will shortly see if Loftus overhyped what he had. What I saw of them on ABC's Nightline was very tantalizing.
We will be waiting for the mea culpas to start from the left. From Al Gore all the way down the kook food chain!
The 12 hours of recorded conversations are part of a vast trove of untranslated documents, recordings, videotape, and photographs captured in Iraq during the war. Whether this information will be examined for clues to the whereabouts of WMD stockpiles is a matter of debate within the intelligence community.
Why is there debate on this?
The debate is about how they will try to cover their A$$e$!
OPINION: I believe "debate" is probably a poor choice of words. It's more about who has the huevos and the desire to do the right thing by following up on whatever is on those tapes.
From the media accounts I have read it sounds like Saddam was giving veiled suggestions about what he would like to have happen.
Like a mafia don he doesn't come out and say "kill the guy". He merely states that "someday that man will be dead".
There must be some that Saddam cut their arms off or something and they ran to America that would be willing to do this work.
I imagine the difference is in the timeline covered by the material. Unless it goes right up to the near beginning of the war, when Saddam actually made the decision and moved the WMD, then the material is only of historic interest. Water under the bridge so to speak with little value to the ongoing operations. They may, and probably do, have lots of material for use in Saddam's trial but they probably think they already have more than enough for that.
They are probably more of a curiosity than of any real value. Except of course rehabilitating Bush's reputation with the Democrats and media and he doesn't seem too concerned with that.
So why are non-government people/groups in possession of all these documents and tapes?
"There is a candid discussion between Saddam and his top aides to launch a sneak attack against the United States, whether to use a nuclear or germ weapon. It is discussed that maybe we would have the others do it, that is an unclear reference. It becomes very clear, though. Saddam thinks this is something the Iraqis should do."
SADDAM IS GUILTY AS SIN!
"Between these tapes which show Saddam's obsession with WMDs and his henchmen's ability and willingness to continue at his command and the Disclosures by former Iraqi General Sada os WMD transfers to Syria, there should be a second look at the the material they have."
There is also confirmation of what Sada is claiming by Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti.
ANOTHER FORMER HIGH-RANKING IRAQI OFFICIAL CONFIRMS WMD WENT TO SYRIA
The Changed Baathist: Interview with Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti
By: Ryan Mauro
RM: Why do you think Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are in Syria? Why didn't he use them or simply destroy them before the war?
IT: I know Saddam's weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980's that dealt with the event that either capitols were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn't going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted."
(excerpt from article at:)
Well,it's an interesting article.
The follow-up to this article
may prove to be just as or even
Don't hold your breath. We could find out that Hussein had planned a nuclear strick on DC just hours after he was overthrown, and the leftists in this nation would say something like, "But Bush didn't know that! He lied!"
The left is whacked. You can't take back whacked. It's a state of being. It isn't going to change.
Yep. You nailed it but I'd add the twist that they're also covering their patrician dim Senators' collective posteriors.
I suppose with the material in Syria they figure there is not much we could do, short of war, that would cause the Syrians to admit they have the material.
One of the problems with audio tapes of Arabic speakers is to understand the meaning of the conversation without seeing the gestures.
The meaning of phrases spoken in private to people in attendence have winks, nods, head & hand gestures that define what's being said.
Only arabic audio produced to be solely audio can be parsed by a linguist.
The Godfather example in the prior post is quite true.
NYSUN.com: "A MOST-WANTED TERRORIST IS SPOTTED IN SYRIA" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "One of the American government's most wanted terrorists visited Syria late last week with Iran's President Ahmadinejad, according to a former Reagan administration national security official and Iran watchers on Capitol Hill.")(January 25, 2006) (Read More...) (NOTE: This url may expire.)
WorldNetDaily.com: "ALMADINEJAD TO IRANIANS: ISRAEL 'WILL BE REMOVED'" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The crowd, numbered in the hundreds of thousands accoding to state media, responded to Ahmadinejad's defense of its nuclear program -- believed by U.S. intelligence to be an effort to acquire atomic weapons -- with cries of "Nuclear energy is our undisputable right," "Death to America," "Death of Israel," "Death to Denmark."" (February 11, 2006)
Any and all evidence proving that Bush et. al. might have been correct, will be ignored. It will be like when all the other women came forward to say Clinton was a sexual predator; Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, etc.
Manufactured evidence, liars, sex was consensual, exaggerated claims, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy.
One of the tapes had Saddams guys saying that they had grossly under reported the amount of biological weapons that they had to the UN. I'm suprised that I heard this on ABC.
Remember the wild hysteria over 'yellow cake' that went on forever?
Suddenly the issue is no long relevant?
There's also the Able Danger story- the effort required to ignore that is impressive indeed.
I have a feeling that these two stories may meet somewhere down the road.
Yes, I know. Like I said there is probably much there of interest and of use in Saddam's trial but they may not think it is useful to the present direction.
One thing I read a couple of years ago, maybe more, was that one translator at the CIA told the supervisors that another translator was purposely misrpresenting what she was reading or hearing. I never heard that anything was done about that. With the shortage of translators that could easily be an ongoing problem with moles being hired to do intelligence for us.
The games have just began
Bump for later
Has Scott Ritter claimed that these recordings are fraudulent yet?
And have we heard anything on these tapes about pilot Capt. Scott Speicher?
BTW Loftus is not a Republican.
Sort of like the king of England - "Who will rid me of this troublesome Priest"
Ther's a large Iraqui-American comunity, many of whom came here for political asylum before the Liberation. Many of those folks would probably be happy to make $50.00/hr. translating the doucments. I've not read of any sincere and determined effort by the government to recruit them as translators.
The left will simply dismiss it as a fabrication by the WH. My UF professor buddy already has. And if it is real then WH translators deliberately mistranslated it.Remember facts, actual events, existing objects, are irrelevant to Liberal Truth which is a term synonymous with the older term "Party Line."
ABC plays tapes of Saddam Hussien talking about a WMD attack on Washington and what is WRKO's John DePetro talking about? The VEEP had a beer at lunch. FREEP WRKO!
I am afraid that my instincts suggest to me we have a large number of home-grown moles in our intelligence apparatus - keep in mind the type of college education they were all subjected to.
If you disclose the information, you let the other side know what you have.
Maybe the past may come back to bite some?
Whatever Happened to Iraqgate?
Candidate Clinton vowed to get to the bottom of the Iraqgate scandal. Was it swept under the rug because of the CIA - - or Hillary?
Kenneth R. Timmerman
The American Spectator
The election of 2024, that is.
And half the translators they do have are probably... Nah, not going there. Yet.
That's my feeling. But why would he do that? Was he afraid of a future Nuremburg trial?
Oh---I thought this was gonna be about Saddam's notoriously bad recordings of "What Now My Love", and "Feelings".
Furor Erupts Over Recordings of Saddam
By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 16, 2006
Mr. Loftus has promised that the recordings he will release to the public tomorrow will show that Saddam personally discussed a germ attack on Washington at some point after 2000. However, ABC News, which obtained the recordings from Mr. Loftus's source - a former U.N. weapons inspector, John Tierney, who was asked by the FBI in September 2005 to translate them - says otherwise.
ABC News reported that Saddam is quoted as saying, "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before August 2 and told the British as well ... that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction."
The deposed Iraqi tyrant, however, added that Iraq would not authorize such an attack, but speculated that a chemical, nuclear, or biological attack could be launched from a boobytrapped car.
The quiet re-examination parallels efforts from the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Peter Hoekstra, a Republican of Michigan, who is in the early stages of his own review. He told the Sun last week that he checked the authenticity of Mr. Loftus's recordings with the intelligence community and confirmed that it was Saddam's voice on them.
Mr. Hoekstra has also been pestering the directorate of national intelligence to translate and make public what he claims are that may shed clues on the WMD front.
ping to self for later reading.
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