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Furor Erupts Over Recordings of Saddam
NT Sun ^ | February 16, 2006 | ELI LAKE

Posted on 02/16/2006 1:32:20 AM PST by mal

Two former CIA directors have resigned from the board of the organization planning tomorrow to make public secret recordings of Saddam Hussein and his advisers.

In the last week both John Deutch and James Woolsey abruptly left their positions at Intelligence Summit, according to its president, John Loftus, who said their departure is part of a campaign by the directorate of national intelligence to punish him for releasing the recordings.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: deutch; iraq; jameswoolsey; johndeutch; loftus; okcbombing; saddam; saddamtapes; wmd; wmds; woolsey
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1 posted on 02/16/2006 1:32:21 AM PST by mal
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To: mal

Interesting! We will shortly see if Loftus overhyped what he had. What I saw of them on ABC's Nightline was very tantalizing.


2 posted on 02/16/2006 1:44:07 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mal
Mr. Loftus, however, expressed disagreement. "There is a candid discussion between Saddam and his top aides to launch a sneak attack against the United States, whether to use a nuclear or germ weapon. It is discussed that maybe we would have the others do it, that is an unclear reference. It becomes very clear, though. Saddam thinks this is something the Iraqis should do."

We will be waiting for the mea culpas to start from the left. From Al Gore all the way down the kook food chain!

3 posted on 02/16/2006 1:45:35 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: mal
Here's an interesting little tidbit:

The 12 hours of recorded conversations are part of a vast trove of untranslated documents, recordings, videotape, and photographs captured in Iraq during the war. Whether this information will be examined for clues to the whereabouts of WMD stockpiles is a matter of debate within the intelligence community.

Why is there debate on this?

L

4 posted on 02/16/2006 1:45:42 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: Lurker

The debate is about how they will try to cover their A$$e$!


5 posted on 02/16/2006 1:47:20 AM PST by gr8eman (Everybody is a rocket scientist...until launch day!)
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To: radioproducer; Tony Snow; saveliberty

PING!


6 posted on 02/16/2006 1:55:59 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Seeking to marry a RICH MALE CHAUVANIST PIG.....(Cedar Dave has admitted to being 2 of the 4))
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To: Lurker

OPINION: I believe "debate" is probably a poor choice of words. It's more about who has the huevos and the desire to do the right thing by following up on whatever is on those tapes.


7 posted on 02/16/2006 1:58:54 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Lurker
Between these tapes which show Saddam's obsession with WMDs and his henchmen's ability and willingness to continue at his command and the Disclosures by former Iraqi General Sada os WMD transfers to Syria, there should be a second look at the the material they have.
8 posted on 02/16/2006 2:01:25 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: mal

From the media accounts I have read it sounds like Saddam was giving veiled suggestions about what he would like to have happen.

Like a mafia don he doesn't come out and say "kill the guy". He merely states that "someday that man will be dead".


9 posted on 02/16/2006 2:02:22 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (John 6: 31-69)
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To: mal
Isn't there a few red blooded American dudes that can translate these documents and tapes. Surely there are a few around that could be paid $50 an hour to transcribe this crap. We have been waiting for a couple of years now and haven't even scratched the surface.

There must be some that Saddam cut their arms off or something and they ran to America that would be willing to do this work.

10 posted on 02/16/2006 2:06:07 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Lurker

I imagine the difference is in the timeline covered by the material. Unless it goes right up to the near beginning of the war, when Saddam actually made the decision and moved the WMD, then the material is only of historic interest. Water under the bridge so to speak with little value to the ongoing operations. They may, and probably do, have lots of material for use in Saddam's trial but they probably think they already have more than enough for that.

They are probably more of a curiosity than of any real value. Except of course rehabilitating Bush's reputation with the Democrats and media and he doesn't seem too concerned with that.


11 posted on 02/16/2006 2:09:55 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Cindy
You may be right. I just can't believe the CIA doesn't have some DLI translators poring over that stuff 24-7.

L

12 posted on 02/16/2006 2:12:03 AM PST by Lurker (In God I trust. Everybody else shows me their hands.)
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To: mal

So why are non-government people/groups in possession of all these documents and tapes?


13 posted on 02/16/2006 2:12:26 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: mal

"There is a candid discussion between Saddam and his top aides to launch a sneak attack against the United States, whether to use a nuclear or germ weapon. It is discussed that maybe we would have the others do it, that is an unclear reference. It becomes very clear, though. Saddam thinks this is something the Iraqis should do."

SADDAM IS GUILTY AS SIN!


14 posted on 02/16/2006 2:14:24 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Between these tapes which show Saddam's obsession with WMDs and his henchmen's ability and willingness to continue at his command and the Disclosures by former Iraqi General Sada os WMD transfers to Syria, there should be a second look at the the material they have."

There is also confirmation of what Sada is claiming by Ali Ibrahim al-Tikriti.

ANOTHER FORMER HIGH-RANKING IRAQI OFFICIAL CONFIRMS WMD WENT TO SYRIA
The Changed Baathist: Interview with Ali Ibrahim Al-Tikriti

By: Ryan Mauro
TDCAnalyst@aol.com

RM: Why do you think Iraq's weapons of mass destruction are in Syria? Why didn't he use them or simply destroy them before the war?

IT: I know Saddam's weapons are in Syria due to certain military deals that were made going as far back as the late 1980's that dealt with the event that either capitols were threatened with being overrun by an enemy nation. Not to mention I have discussed this in-depth with various contacts of mine who have confirmed what I already knew. At this point Saddam knew that the United States were eventually going to come for his weapons and the United States wasn't going to just let this go like they did in the original Gulf War. He knew that he had lied for this many years and wanted to maintain legitimacy with the pan Arab nationalists. He also has wanted since he took power to embarrass the West and this was the perfect opportunity to do so. After Saddam denied he had such weapons why would he use them or leave them readily available to be found? That would only legitimize President Bush, who he has a personal grudge against. What we are witnessing now is many who opposed the war to begin with are rallying around Saddam saying we overthrew a sovereign leader based on a lie about WMD. This is exactly what Saddam wanted and predicted."

(excerpt from article at:)
http://www.worldthreats.com/middle_...alk_tikriti.htm


15 posted on 02/16/2006 2:17:47 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Lurker

Well,it's an interesting article.
The follow-up to this article
may prove to be just as or even
more interesting.


16 posted on 02/16/2006 2:18:03 AM PST by Cindy
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To: gr8eman

Don't hold your breath. We could find out that Hussein had planned a nuclear strick on DC just hours after he was overthrown, and the leftists in this nation would say something like, "But Bush didn't know that! He lied!"

The left is whacked. You can't take back whacked. It's a state of being. It isn't going to change.


17 posted on 02/16/2006 2:18:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: gr8eman
The debate is about how they will try to cover their A$$e$!

Yep. You nailed it but I'd add the twist that they're also covering their patrician dim Senators' collective posteriors.

18 posted on 02/16/2006 2:21:28 AM PST by Toadman
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To: Kimberly GG
Thanks! I think with all of this the only reason that they would not investigate the documents and other materials they have is because some in the intelligence community would try to block it to cover their sixes for not getting to this earlier.

I suppose with the material in Syria they figure there is not much we could do, short of war, that would cause the Syrians to admit they have the material.

19 posted on 02/16/2006 2:23:19 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: chuckles
Isn't there a few red blooded American dudes that can translate these documents and tapes

One of the problems with audio tapes of Arabic speakers is to understand the meaning of the conversation without seeing the gestures.

The meaning of phrases spoken in private to people in attendence have winks, nods, head & hand gestures that define what's being said.

Only arabic audio produced to be solely audio can be parsed by a linguist.

The Godfather example in the prior post is quite true.

20 posted on 02/16/2006 2:34:19 AM PST by leadhead (Itís a duty and a responsibility to defeat them. But it's also a pleasure)
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To: JohnathanRGalt; backhoe; piasa; All
Various Links ON THE NET...


CNS NEWS.com: "INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT TO AIR 'SADDAM'S WMD TAPES'" by Monisha Bansal (February 15, 2006)

NEWSMAX.com: "SADDAM ON TAPE: TERRORISTS WILL ATTACK D.C." -Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com staff (February 15, 2006)


WorldNetDaily.com: "SADDAM GENERAL: WMDs IN SYRIA Another former confidant of ex-dictator makes claim, also links Iraq to al-Qaida" (February 15, 2006)

MEMRI.org: "SYRIA"


FBI.gov - MOST WANTED TERRORISTS - WANTED POSTER: "IMAD FAYEZ MUGNIYAH" aka "Hajj" (VIEW POSTER; Read More.)

"www.waronline.org/terror/bin%20laden/mugniyah-2.jpg" (VIEW PHOTO. Click Here.)

NYSUN.com: "A MOST-WANTED TERRORIST IS SPOTTED IN SYRIA" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "One of the American government's most wanted terrorists visited Syria late last week with Iran's President Ahmadinejad, according to a former Reagan administration national security official and Iran watchers on Capitol Hill.")(January 25, 2006) (Read More...) (NOTE: This url may expire.)
"osint.internet-haganah.com/archives/000186.html" (Note: re Mugniyah) (Read More...)


JIHAD WATCH.org (IRAN FOCUS): "IRAN'S SUICIDE BOMBERS THREATEN TO 'BURN DOWN' U.S. INTERESTS" (February 13, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AP): Vienna, Austria - "REPORT: IRAN BEGINS URANIUM ENRICHMENT" (February 13, 2006)

TOWNHALL.com: "THE IAEA DIVERSION" -Commentary by Caroline B. Glick (February 11, 2006)

WorldNetDaily.com: "ALMADINEJAD TO IRANIANS: ISRAEL 'WILL BE REMOVED'" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The crowd, numbered in the hundreds of thousands accoding to state media, responded to Ahmadinejad's defense of its nuclear program -- believed by U.S. intelligence to be an effort to acquire atomic weapons -- with cries of "Nuclear energy is our undisputable right," "Death to America," "Death of Israel," "Death to Denmark."" (February 11, 2006)
TOWNHALL.com: "AYATOLLAH FIDEL AND IRAN'S CUBAN VACATION" -Commentary by Kathleen Parker (February 10, 2006)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "THE IRAN-CUBA AXIS" by Frederick W. Stakelbeck (January 18, 2006)

OFF-TOPIC.INTERNET-HAGANAH.com (TIMESONLINE.co.uk): "BRITISH CAMPUS LINK TO IRANIAN NUCLEAR CENTRE" (February 8, 2006)

MEMRI.org - Special Alert - No. 15: "'Iran is Capable of Conducting a Fission Reaction' -Iranian Supreme National Security Council Secretary-General Ali Larijani" (February 15, 2006)

MEMRI.org: "IRAN"


FOX NEWS.com (AP): " RICE: SYRIA, IRAN INFLAMED VIOLENCE" (February 8, 2006)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: Beirut - "SYRIA SEEN AS INSTIGATOR" (February 7, 2006)

ASSIST NEWS SERVICE: "IRANIAN PAPER PLANS HOLOCAUST CARTOONS" by Jeremy Reynalds (February 8, 2006)

JIHAD WATCH.org (SA via News24.com): "'We swear to God, if we catch one of their citizens in Iraq, we will cut him to pieces, to take revenge for prophet'" (February 6, 2006)

JPOST.com - JERUSALEM POST: "IRANIAN PAPER RUNS HOLOCAUST CONTEST" (Updated February 6, 2006)

21 posted on 02/16/2006 2:45:03 AM PST by Cindy
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To: mal
"PAPER! PAPER! THERE IS NO GOLD! AWRENZ LIED! HE IS NOT PERFECT."
22 posted on 02/16/2006 2:52:57 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: gr8eman
We will be waiting for the mea culpas to start from the left. From Al Gore all the way down the kook food chain!

Any and all evidence proving that Bush et. al. might have been correct, will be ignored. It will be like when all the other women came forward to say Clinton was a sexual predator; Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey, etc.

Manufactured evidence, liars, sex was consensual, exaggerated claims, all part of a vast right wing conspiracy.

23 posted on 02/16/2006 3:10:22 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

One of the tapes had Saddams guys saying that they had grossly under reported the amount of biological weapons that they had to the UN. I'm suprised that I heard this on ABC.


24 posted on 02/16/2006 3:42:20 AM PST by xmission
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To: DoughtyOne
Beginning to wonder if all the hysteria over Cheney's accidental shooting is an excuse for NOT covering this story.

Remember the wild hysteria over 'yellow cake' that went on forever?

Suddenly the issue is no long relevant?

25 posted on 02/16/2006 3:58:56 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: mal
Don't you worry, Saddam, baby! Hill and Janet went through all those tapes and edited us out...
26 posted on 02/16/2006 3:59:24 AM PST by Bender2 (Redid my FR Homepage just for ya'll... Now, Vote Republican and vote often!)
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To: OldFriend

There's also the Able Danger story- the effort required to ignore that is impressive indeed.

I have a feeling that these two stories may meet somewhere down the road.


27 posted on 02/16/2006 4:00:35 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: xmission
One of the tapes had Saddams guys saying that they had grossly under reported the amount of biological weapons that they had to the UN. I'm suprised that I heard this on ABC.

Yes, I know. Like I said there is probably much there of interest and of use in Saddam's trial but they may not think it is useful to the present direction.

One thing I read a couple of years ago, maybe more, was that one translator at the CIA told the supervisors that another translator was purposely misrpresenting what she was reading or hearing. I never heard that anything was done about that. With the shortage of translators that could easily be an ongoing problem with moles being hired to do intelligence for us.

28 posted on 02/16/2006 4:50:06 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: mal

The games have just began


29 posted on 02/16/2006 4:54:45 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: chuckles
"Isn't there a few red blooded American dudes that can translate these documents and tapes. Surely there are a few around that could be paid $50 an hour to transcribe this crap. We have been waiting for a couple of years now and haven't even scratched the surface."

Don't we have recognition & translation software that could produce a rudimentary understanding of all these documents and tapes in short order?
30 posted on 02/16/2006 5:02:23 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: mal
I'd like to believe these tapes will knock a giant hole in the Rat's argument but, MSM is hurriedly arranging their spin.
31 posted on 02/16/2006 5:03:03 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: mal

Bump for later


32 posted on 02/16/2006 5:03:48 AM PST by upcountry miss
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To: Cindy
I don't know if you saw the initial reports last night. Some creative editing made Saddams admissions tame and nonthreatening.
33 posted on 02/16/2006 5:05:10 AM PST by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: mal

Has Scott Ritter claimed that these recordings are fraudulent yet?

And have we heard anything on these tapes about pilot Capt. Scott Speicher?


34 posted on 02/16/2006 5:07:32 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Join the FR folding team!! http://vspx27.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=36120)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
He was on with John Bathcalor last night and it does look interesting/

BTW Loftus is not a Republican.

35 posted on 02/16/2006 5:10:12 AM PST by mware (The keeper of the I's once again.)
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To: mal

bump


36 posted on 02/16/2006 5:16:35 AM PST by VOA
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To: Straight Vermonter
"Like a mafia don he doesn't come out and say "kill the guy". He merely states that "someday that man will be dead".

Sort of like the king of England - "Who will rid me of this troublesome Priest"

37 posted on 02/16/2006 5:24:28 AM PST by joebuck
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To: chuckles

Ther's a large Iraqui-American comunity, many of whom came here for political asylum before the Liberation. Many of those folks would probably be happy to make $50.00/hr. translating the doucments. I've not read of any sincere and determined effort by the government to recruit them as translators.


38 posted on 02/16/2006 5:30:38 AM PST by libstripper
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To: gr8eman

The left will simply dismiss it as a fabrication by the WH. My UF professor buddy already has. And if it is real then WH translators deliberately mistranslated it.Remember facts, actual events, existing objects, are irrelevant to Liberal Truth which is a term synonymous with the older term "Party Line."


39 posted on 02/16/2006 5:47:55 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero

ABC plays tapes of Saddam Hussien talking about a WMD attack on Washington and what is WRKO's John DePetro talking about? The VEEP had a beer at lunch. FREEP WRKO!


40 posted on 02/16/2006 6:15:06 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: mal

I am afraid that my instincts suggest to me we have a large number of home-grown moles in our intelligence apparatus - keep in mind the type of college education they were all subjected to.


41 posted on 02/16/2006 6:30:27 AM PST by Wuli
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bump


42 posted on 02/16/2006 7:32:33 AM PST by eureka! (Hey Lefties and 'Rats: Over 3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: Lurker

If you disclose the information, you let the other side know what you have.


43 posted on 02/16/2006 7:45:10 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Lurker

Maybe the past may come back to bite some?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1578988/posts
Whatever Happened to Iraqgate?

Candidate Clinton vowed to get to the bottom of the Iraqgate scandal. Was it swept under the rug because of the CIA - - or Hillary?
Kenneth R. Timmerman
The American Spectator
November, 1996


44 posted on 02/16/2006 7:50:45 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Cindy; Lurker
Knowing the way things are going over there, it's a good bet that they still don't have enough Arabic language interpreters to get the documents translated before the election.

The election of 2024, that is.

And half the translators they do have are probably... Nah, not going there. Yet.

45 posted on 02/16/2006 8:36:23 AM PST by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Like a mafia don he doesn't come out and say "kill the guy". He merely states that "someday that man will be dead".

That's my feeling. But why would he do that? Was he afraid of a future Nuremburg trial?

46 posted on 02/16/2006 8:39:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: mal

Oh---I thought this was gonna be about Saddam's notoriously bad recordings of "What Now My Love", and "Feelings".


47 posted on 02/16/2006 10:15:32 AM PST by willyboyishere (You'd better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live> Brecht)
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To: mal
So well loved by his own people...


48 posted on 02/16/2006 10:16:22 AM PST by Allegra (Save the Mediterranean Fruitfly!)
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To: holdonnow; Tony Snow
Sheesh, who to trust? ABC News or John Loftus? I don't know, but I will certainly be watching.

Furor Erupts Over Recordings of Saddam

By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
February 16, 2006

[snip]

Mr. Loftus has promised that the recordings he will release to the public tomorrow will show that Saddam personally discussed a germ attack on Washington at some point after 2000. However, ABC News, which obtained the recordings from Mr. Loftus's source - a former U.N. weapons inspector, John Tierney, who was asked by the FBI in September 2005 to translate them - says otherwise.

ABC News reported that Saddam is quoted as saying, "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before August 2 and told the British as well ... that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction."

The deposed Iraqi tyrant, however, added that Iraq would not authorize such an attack, but speculated that a chemical, nuclear, or biological attack could be launched from a boobytrapped car.

[snip]

The quiet re-examination parallels efforts from the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Peter Hoekstra, a Republican of Michigan, who is in the early stages of his own review. He told the Sun last week that he checked the authenticity of Mr. Loftus's recordings with the intelligence community and confirmed that it was Saddam's voice on them.

Mr. Hoekstra has also been pestering the directorate of national intelligence to translate and make public what he claims are nearly 36,000 boxes of captured documents and materials from Iraq that may shed clues on the WMD front.

49 posted on 02/16/2006 10:38:43 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

ping to self for later reading.


50 posted on 02/16/2006 10:57:51 AM PST by little jeremiah
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