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Thoughts on Quail Hunting and Abortion
Townhall.com ^ | 2/16/2006 | Mike Adams

Posted on 02/16/2006 6:50:27 AM PST by dson7_ck1249

In my thirteen years as a college professor, I’ve never seen joy and celebration that rivals the response to Dick Cheney’s hunting accident. Of course, that’s really saying something. Bringing American professors to laughter is nearly as tough as bringing American feminists to orgasm. It’s a theoretical possibility that is seldom achieved without a workshop.

The liberal reaction to Cheney’s accident may vary slightly from liberal to liberal but there is one common characteristic; namely, these liberals feel morally superior because they’ve never shot someone on a hunting trip....

Of course, the fact that.....

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KEYWORDS: abortion; cheney; hunting; hypocrisy; liberals; media; quail; quailgate
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I love Adams, because he makes a point with a lot of wit and humor. But seriously, I can't believe the media firestorm that is occurring because of this relatively common hunting accident....liberals are clearly looking for a scandal here, but there's none to be found. Reminds me of the Alito hearings...
1 posted on 02/16/2006 6:50:29 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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To: dson7_ck1249
Bringing American professors to laughter is nearly as tough as bringing American feminists to orgasm well thats because it takes a village doncha know. and probably a village of woman to boot.
2 posted on 02/16/2006 6:58:20 AM PST by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: dson7_ck1249; Tax-chick
Bringing American professors to laughter is nearly as tough as bringing American feminists to orgasm. It’s a theoretical possibility that is seldom achieved without a workshop.

BWAHAHAHA!!!! Another priceless, spot on column by Mike Adams. I LOVE this guy.

MKM

3 posted on 02/16/2006 7:00:24 AM PST by mykdsmom (Today there are more Marxists on the Harvard faculty than there are in Eastern Europe - George Will)
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To: dson7_ck1249
liberals are clearly looking for a scandal here, but there's none to be found. Reminds me of the Alito hearings...

FR needs a Pseudoscandal Timeline. No, I don't know how to go about starting one.

4 posted on 02/16/2006 7:03:51 AM PST by Steely Tom (Your taboos are not my taboos.)
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To: dson7_ck1249
I've got to take issue with your viewpoint. This wasn't a 'relatively common accident'. Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired. It was an incredibly irresponsible act, made more complicated by the fact that he was drinking beforehand. Beer and hunting *never* mix.

I don't care if he was a Republican or a Democrat, he needs to answer for what he did.

I will say however, that I don't like all of the Dem's glee over the incident. Never saw a bunch of so-called 'caring' people so happy over another person getting shot. The entire incident - the shooting, and the subsequent reaction - disgusts me.

5 posted on 02/16/2006 7:03:54 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249
these liberals feel morally superior because they’ve never shot someone on a hunting trip.

No, they just leave interns who don't put out to drown in their cars....

6 posted on 02/16/2006 7:04:13 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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To: dson7_ck1249

Someone who just emerged from a cave and started watching the MSM's coverage would think that Cheney had deliberately shot the guy and then tried to get someone else to take the blame for him (the latter move a Teddy Kennedy specialty.) This mega-media story should have been a story for about five minutes. It was clearly an accident, Cheney takes full responsibility for it, and nobody tried to cover up anything. The fact that this is the best the dems can come up with is further evidence that they have nothing else--no plans, no ideas, no nuthin'. They just sit around and wait for accidents or verbal faux pas to which they can assign malevolent motives. What a bunch of losers!


7 posted on 02/16/2006 7:06:37 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired.

Hmmmmm, you saw something the rest of the world didn't? You were an eyewitness to this?

8 posted on 02/16/2006 7:07:42 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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To: dson7_ck1249
This story has become about how the media is reacting to this rather than the original story. I'm sick of it and anytime ANY network comes on with a Cheney story, I use my clicker.

I don't even want to hear Rush, Hannity, or anyone else even mention Cheney's name. This story has been beat to death. I only clicked on this thread because of the intriguing headline.

9 posted on 02/16/2006 7:09:06 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: NRA1995
Hmmmmm, you saw something the rest of the world didn't? You were an eyewitness to this?

He failed to mark his target before firing. Absolutely inexcusable.

10 posted on 02/16/2006 7:10:56 AM PST by wbill
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

When the media itself becomes the story, there's something seriously amiss.


11 posted on 02/16/2006 7:11:14 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

Check out post # 5


12 posted on 02/16/2006 7:12:09 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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To: wbill

I have to take issue with your statements. Cheney deliberately pinted his shotgun and fired at a quail. That happens all the time while qail hunting. And you know he was drinking beer because...?


13 posted on 02/16/2006 7:12:12 AM PST by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired.

I don't care if he was a Republican or a Democrat, he needs to answer to what he did.

I don't care if you're a Republican or a Democrat either, but I'd like to see a link to any reference that will support your accusation.

14 posted on 02/16/2006 7:12:55 AM PST by Steely Tom (Your taboos are not my taboos.)
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To: wbill
He failed to mark his target before firing.

That's not what you said in your first post; you said Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired. There's a BIG difference!

15 posted on 02/16/2006 7:14:16 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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To: wbill

A poll of 883 South Dakota bird hunters, conducted before Vice President Dick Cheney's weekend hunting accident, asked: "Have you ever been peppered with shotgun BB's?"
It so happens 484 of the hunters, or about 55 percent, replied "yes." And 365 of them said they were wearing orange vests when sprayed.
The poll was conducted by Pheasant Country ("where pheasant hunters come to roost"), a Web site sponsored by the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader newspaper.

Have you ever hunted? Getting hit by birdshot (not buckshot) is pretty common, and anyone who's hunted for longer than 20 years has probably has had some experience with that.

Cheney's friend snuck around Cheney without notifying him of his position, Cheney took responsibility for it, but he certainly didn't "deliberately" take aim at his own friend. That's ridiculous.

Hunting is a dangerous sport, and accidents do happen. But hunting isn't nearly as fatal or dangerous as abortion..which was Adams' point in his article, highlighting the hypocrisy of the liberal.


16 posted on 02/16/2006 7:15:28 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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To: 05 Mustang GT Rocks
Cheney failed to mark his target before he fired the shotgun. In my book, that may qualify as an accident (I'm sure that he didn't set out to shoot his hunting partner), but it still is inexcusable. He should be punished. Pull his hunting license, at the very minimum.

As to the drinking, I'm going on what the national media is reporting. I know, I know, they're wrong more often than not.

Any way it's looked at, the VP has really stepped in it. The media feeding frenzy, while predictable, fairly disgusts me. Never seen so many people so happy about an innocent bystander getting shot.

Are you a hunter?

17 posted on 02/16/2006 7:19:27 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249
"Bringing American professors to laughter is nearly as tough as bringing American feminists to orgasm. It’s a theoretical possibility that is seldom achieved without a workshop."

LOL - I don't care who you are, THAT's funny. Best line I've read on FR all month.

18 posted on 02/16/2006 7:21:41 AM PST by joebuck
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To: dson7_ck1249
How can we let the Vice President shoot a man while hunting and get away with it? He must be removed from office as soon as possible... Then we can get back to our main job of killing all those unborn babies!
19 posted on 02/16/2006 7:23:54 AM PST by Bender2 (Redid my FR Homepage just for ya'll... Now, Vote Republican and vote often!)
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To: dson7_ck1249

A hunter friend of mine was critical of Cheney's careless shooting, then went on to tell me about the times he's been hit by birdshot. It happened twice, first time when he was 13.


20 posted on 02/16/2006 7:24:48 AM PST by joylyn
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To: NRA1995
There's a BIG difference!

What's the difference? Unless the shotgun fired itself, Cheney took aim at (I'm assuming) a quail and fired while his hunting partner was in the line of fire. There's nothing to excuse here, and, unless he's taking the blame for someone else, the evidence is pretty clear cut.

21 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:43 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired. It was an incredibly irresponsible act, made more complicated by the fact that he was drinking beforehand.

Y'know what? This is utter BS. He had one beer several hours earlier, at lunch. And if you think he "deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired," you're an idiot. Cheney with a shotgun is a lot less dangerous than you with a keyboard.

22 posted on 02/16/2006 7:26:53 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wbill

Sorry, but if you can't read the difference between your first posting and the next one you made, I can't help you. Go back to school and learn some English!


23 posted on 02/16/2006 7:29:03 AM PST by NRA1995 (If feminists are so smart, why do they need masturbation workshops?)
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I wasn't aware of the statistics. Interesting.

I am (or at least was, back when I had the time) a hunter. Grew up in the Northeast, going after mainly woodcock (They're an awfully tasty bird and fun to shoot at, especially with something light like 20 or a .410!) and the occasional deer. My father and I shot a bear once - just once - because it was the most miserable drag out of the woods that I've ever experienced. :-) There's nothing on a bear to grab on to!

With all of the time I spent in the woods, I've never been peppered. My family are all hunters. I've never heard them mention getting 'peppered' either. Wonder if hunters in my neck of the woods were more responsible (unlikely), or maybe there are just less of them (more likely).

24 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:07 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249
Finally, they should be told to wear an orange cap and vest during abortion season to let men know that their child will be aborted if they get one of these women pregnant.

Very good article with some excellent points. Could make you cry if it didn't contain humor.

My only addition would be that men need to wear the same cap and vest to notify women that if impregnated she is going to be on her own.

25 posted on 02/16/2006 7:36:13 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired

What in the world have you been smoking?

26 posted on 02/16/2006 7:37:34 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: hinckley buzzard; NRA1995
I'm an idiot? That can't speak English? If you want to resort to personal attacks, both of you are apologist fools.

Would you be defending Cheney if he was a Democrat? What if it was Ted Kennedy who pulled the trigger?

27 posted on 02/16/2006 7:39:08 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go for a ride with Ted Kennedy....any day of the week.
Yeah, no need for any personal attacks here, mostly I wanted to get thoughts on what I thought was an excellent article drawing parallels between something the liberals seem to think is a big deal and something that conservatives think of as a monumental issue.


28 posted on 02/16/2006 7:42:18 AM PST by dson7_ck1249
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I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than go for a ride with Ted Kennedy ...I'm with you there. LOL!

Usually, I like Adams' columns, although I think that he'd be a pain to work with. I'd hate to be an administrator at his school. I thought that this latest article could have been written better, though. He did an awfully good job of building up a straw man, then knocking it over.

Like I said in my original post, this whole incident - the shooting, and the aftermath - disgusts me. And the people that say 'Hey, this is no big deal' get me a little wound up. I can't imagine hunting that irresponsibly myself, and I think that sloughing it off gives hunters a bad reputation. I think that Liberal's general perception of hunters is that they're a bunch of bloodthirsty killjoys, and incidents like this and people that rush to apologize for them, just confirm that perception.

29 posted on 02/16/2006 7:53:35 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249

The liberals would argue that an unborn child is not a person, hence it doesn't matter if they die.


30 posted on 02/16/2006 8:00:16 AM PST by Democratshavenobrains
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To: wbill

Cheney had "a" beer. Are you commenting on your own abilities and judgment after "a" beer? Your charge that he "deliberately" pointed a gun at a man is tantamount to a charge of attempted murder. Only a few on the left have gone that far.


31 posted on 02/16/2006 8:09:19 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: dson7_ck1249

I got peppered while hunting once when very young. Well, I was hunting Domestic Duck on somebody else's property at the time I was very happy that the old man was using birdshot in a .410 and not the rocksalt in a 20 that I found out later he usually used.


32 posted on 02/16/2006 8:14:37 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill

Actually the media frenzyhas been very beneficial. Mr. Rove could not have designed it better. How much have you heard about NSA "wiretapping" and Libby outing the supersecret superspy Miz Plame lately? Then again it could be an excuse for MSM to get off those particular hobby horses as the public reaction is not going as the left expected way and they were already starting to say er, uh about it.


33 posted on 02/16/2006 8:19:29 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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Are you commenting on your own abilities and judgment after "a" beer?

No, I'm holding him to the same standards that I would set for myself and anyone else that I go into the woods with. Alcohol and hunting never mix.

And, unless you think that the shotgun fired itself, Cheney pulled the trigger while his hunting partner was in the line of fire. Regardless of what he was aiming at, it was a still a deliberate act, and an inexcusable one. Was it a criminal act? Based on what the media has reported (which as we all know may or may not be accurate) I would say not. But, action still needs to be taken - I'd say at the minimum, revoking his hunting license.

34 posted on 02/16/2006 8:24:10 AM PST by wbill
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To: ThanhPhero
Mr. Rove could not have designed it better.

Yeah, I wondered about that myself. Let Cheney take the heat and get some issues off the front page.

35 posted on 02/16/2006 8:25:32 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

If Cheney were a Democrat it would be worth a chuckle, most definitely, but no more. For the most part our side does not ascribe villainy to minor mishaps. We make jokes. Some on the left make jokes. Some are even funny. It is inherently a humorous situation. And we on the right side of things do understand that it can be a very short distance between tragedy and an occasion for chuckles.


36 posted on 02/16/2006 8:27:25 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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wbill wrote:

29 -- Like I said in my original post, this whole incident - the shooting, and the aftermath - disgusts me.



27 -- Would you be defending Cheney if he was a Democrat? What if it was Ted Kennedy who pulled the trigger?


24 -- With all of the time I spent in the woods, I've never been peppered. My family are all hunters. I've never heard them mention getting 'peppered' either.

21 -- Unless the shotgun fired itself, Cheney took aim at (I'm assuming) a quail and fired while his hunting partner was in the line of fire.

There's nothing to excuse here, and, unless he's taking the blame for someone else, the evidence is pretty clear cut.



17 -- Cheney failed to mark his target before he fired the shotgun. In my book, that may qualify as an accident

(I'm sure that he didn't set out to shoot his hunting partner),

but it still is inexcusable. He should be punished. Pull his hunting license, at the very minimum.

As to the drinking, I'm going on what the national media is reporting.

Any way it's looked at, the VP has really stepped in it.


10 -- He failed to mark his target before firing. Absolutely inexcusable.



5 -- Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired.

It was an incredibly irresponsible act, made more complicated by the fact that he was drinking beforehand. Beer and hunting *never* mix.

I don't care if he was a Republican or a Democrat, he needs to answer for what he did.


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I don't care if you're really a hunter or not wbill, -- you need to take responsibility for what you actually write.

I'd suggest you start to think a bit before typing.
37 posted on 02/16/2006 8:28:22 AM PST by tpaine
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"He failed to mark his target before firing. Absolutely inexcusable"

I will chime in because I HAVE hunted birds...they don't sit still for you to aim at...you follow with your muzzle and fire as you pass the target.."Leading the target"...if you are swinging and fire just as the victim comes into your peripheral vision it's to late....Cheney takes responsibility for the ACCIDENT...it was in no way deliberate!.
And the victim should take some responsibility because he shouldn't have been there...Even with a bright Orange vest and hat...I can track other hunters I see and expect but he wasn't in this two sum he was coming back from finding a dead bird and was entering the hunting party from the flank....it wasn't like he was walking towards the vice president from the front.
I agree that drinking and guns should NEVER mix...if it is true as Cheney himself said he had one beer at lunch several hours prior I don't see how it could have had any bearing on this incident...

Your comments in this thread show either you have blind disdain for the Vice President or you went off Half cocked on Emotion over information from the Old media who are complete idiots...almost to a man the comments I hear are ... ""While I've never been hunting, I wasn't there but let me tell you what happened!!!...""
38 posted on 02/16/2006 8:29:36 AM PST by conservativehusker (GO BIG RED!!!!)
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To: wbill
can't imagine hunting that irresponsibly myself, and I think that sloughing it off gives hunters a bad reputation. I think that Liberal's general perception of hunters is that they're a bunch of bloodthirsty killjoys

Actually, with this, you sound like someone who this season got his first-ever hunting license and just made or are about to make his first hunting trip. And Liberals' perception of hunters is not relevant to anything here. It is a constant and nothing can modify it for better or for worse. Reality does not affect their views, only the story they have accepted.

39 posted on 02/16/2006 8:32:31 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill

Letting Cheney take heat is apropriate. The man cannot feelburned.


40 posted on 02/16/2006 8:35:36 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: wbill

If someone tracks target A and hits object B out of carelessness or negligence, you're saying that the person 'deliberately pointed his gun at B and fired'?

Don't take it personally. What you're saying just happens to be absurd.


41 posted on 02/16/2006 8:37:17 AM PST by non-anonymous
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To: wbill
What's the difference? Unless the shotgun fired itself, Cheney took aim at (I'm assuming) a quail and fired while his hunting partner was in the line of fire. There's nothing to excuse here, and, unless he's taking the blame for someone else, the evidence is pretty clear cut.

You are correct of course, but, I suspect there will be many a cheap political apologist quite addicted to doing battle with reality, that will not believe you.

42 posted on 02/16/2006 8:43:34 AM PST by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: ThanhPhero; conservativehusker
Actually, with this, you sound like someone who this season got his first-ever hunting license and just made or are about to make his first hunting trip. ...No.

I think that incidents like this give anti-hunters excellent things to point at and say - "See, I told you....". The reality is that the vast majority of hunters are responsible sportsmen and the only way to change the overall perception is by acting like it. Of all the hunters on this thread, how many of you can say that you've shot, or even shot at, a hunting partner?

Maybe we're all chewing on the meaning of 'deliberately' here. In my book, when you make a conscious decision to fire your weapon, you need to be positive of what you're shooting at and where the members of your party are. OK, so the victim in this case didn't announce himself before coming back....but Cheney still bears the ultimate responsiblity for marking his target and firing the shotgun.

Jeez, am I the only one here that thinks this way? Do all of you walk into the woods and start gunning at anything that moves?

And FWIW, I voted for Cheney, twice. I think that he's a good man and a good politican. But, he made a mistake, he's owned up to it, and now he needs to face the consequences. Should he be put up on criminal charges? IMO, no. Should he face civil punishment, like revocation of his license? I think, yes.

43 posted on 02/16/2006 8:56:57 AM PST by wbill
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If someone tracks target A and hits object B out of carelessness or negligence, you're saying that the person 'deliberately pointed his gun at B and fired'?

"Deliberate" is used for both a measured action (something controlled by someone) and an intentional action (something preconceived by someone). The context is important here.

44 posted on 02/16/2006 8:59:23 AM PST by eskimo (Political groupies - rabid defenders of the indefensible.)
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To: eskimo
"Deliberate" is used for both a measured action (something controlled by someone) and an intentional action (something preconceived by someone).

Thanks, someone finally gets it.

45 posted on 02/16/2006 9:24:15 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

He doesn't need to face any more consequences than you or I would face in the same situation. He should not get special punishment just because he is a Republican that MMSM and Ted K don't like. There are NO legal consequences beyone the citation he has, indeed received. Psychological consequences are not yours or mine to choose but chances are that he is aghast that he had that kind of accident and feels bad about it. As for impresing the anti hunting left, well, that is an excercise in futility no matter how you do it. Ignore them. They have no bearing on what should or should not happen and whatever happens does not affect their view of hunters short of using tactical nukes in the forest.


46 posted on 02/16/2006 10:18:37 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
He doesn't need to face any more consequences than you or I would face in the same situation ...agreed. I didn't know that he had been cited. I'm surprised that that's all there is to it.

And I also agree with you on impressing the anti-hunters. They're sure that guns are eeeeeeeevil.... etc etc etc, when I'm equally sure that most of them aren't positive which end is supposed to point at a target. Witness the MSM talking about pellet guns, and rifle fire, in this incident.

About the best we can do is act responsibly, and not give them any fodder to cement their beliefs.

47 posted on 02/16/2006 10:40:30 AM PST by wbill
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To: dson7_ck1249

I have the utmost sympathy for Dick Cheney, as I once came very close to doing the same thing.


48 posted on 02/16/2006 10:43:05 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: wbill

Third factor you may not have thought about:

Maybe the folks in your neck of the woods have been luckier.


49 posted on 02/16/2006 10:46:03 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
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To: wbill
Cheney deliberately pointed his shotgun at someone and fired.

I've got to take issue with your statement. Dick mistakenly pointed his shotgun at someone and fired, is accurate.

I've been peppered twice in 40 years of hunting, once my fault, once the other guy's, chukkar and quail. This is part of the risk, and Dick did violate rule 4, however, "deliberately" is completely untrue and inaccurate.

50 posted on 02/16/2006 10:54:03 AM PST by Navy Patriot (At times like this, it is a pleasure to support Free Republic.)
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