Posted on 02/16/2006 8:59:40 AM PST by americaprd
Well .. by being run out of town, I meant out of office and out of power. What they do with him then I don't care. I just want him out of power; at the very least stripped of his security clearance and forbidden to leave the country; with his law license revoked forever.
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The Impact of Foreign Influences on the Clinton Administration,
National Security, And National/International Policy
A Critical Review of the Evidence as Compiled By Citizens of Freerepublic.com, back in the day....
Thanks for the ping!
There's some amazing information in this article and in the comments. Not a mention of these hearings on MSM.
Clinton sold us out on Security secrets to the chinese. Bush is selling us out on the economic front. Two peas in a pod.
That's what you get when your choices for office are a globalist and a globalist. You get one with no ethics and one with enough to know better.
I couldn't help but notice that a lot of the old timers from FR have begun to show up on this thread with their constant doom and gloom .. how America is about to go under and oh woe is me attitude.
I'm sick of it! I'm not buying all the gloom and doom stuff! This is no time to be running America into the ground. America is not a congressional group who have gotten off tract .. WE'RE AMERICA .. not congress.
We still have our principals .. we still have our values and our pride in ourselves, our accomplishments, our military, and in what America really stands for.
The media does not "shape public opinion" any more. We must not be afraid to push the issue of exposing this corrupt outfit called the Clinton admin. They deserve to be exposed - and anybody - ANYBODY - who collaborated with them deserves to be exposed too - and if they're embarrassed - it's too darn stinking bad - they should have thought of that before they got involved in this.
We need to get on the email and letter writing campaign and set the congress straight! GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER - or we will get people to replace you who will act responsibly.
Rush has told us over and over and over - when you CALL YOUR LOCAL REPS - THEY LISTEN. They won't change if we don't hold them accountable. Don't be sending blast faxes to every tom, dick or harry .. just send msgs to your reps - and I don't care if they are dems; some of mine are too. CALL THEIR LOCAL OFFICE - I only call my reps office here in San Diego - and I always get results and a response.
Don't allow the "it's all over for America - we're gonna be taken over by the Arabs or the Mexicans" sway you from doing YOUR JOB - hold your reps accountable for what they're doing and saying. Don't allow people to steal your zeal for changing things; don't allow them to cause you to stop working to change America for the better; don't allow them to force you into throwing up your hands and giving up.
NO!! HELL NO!! We need to get mad as hell - and let them know we're not going to take it anymore.
If you had been paying attention - Rumsfeld rescued him and restored his salary and medical - and shut down the harrassment.
Geeeee .. does that sound like the Bush admin is trying to stall this thing ..?? Not to me!
Who gives a rip if it's in the NYT - they never print the truth anyway. Good grief!
"Bush is selling us out on the economic front."
Can you give me your evidence to support that claim ..??
This economy is the best we've seen in over 10 years .. and you think that means Bush is selling us out ..??
Your comment doesn't hold water!
Rush was silent on the issue apparently both yesterday and today.
Trade policy, sir. Trade policy.
And this proves ........??????
"Trade Policy"
What is it about the "trade policy" that makes you say Bush has sold us out ..??
I think it proves Bush can be no better than Clinton when his shortsightedness leads him to damage the economic future of America while watching out for the interests of business instead of those of America. This is fully on display in the matter of illegal immigration, so let's not pretend here.. Bush is more concerned about businesses wanting to profit from illegal labor than he is about the national security threat or the threat it poses to the economy for Legal citizens.
I like Bush, personally; but, It's apparent that his judgement is sorely lacking in some areas.
When you offshore our tech advantage to china and india, offshore our service sector, offshore our manufacturing base to china as well, import chinese labor to replace American workers, have a massive and growing trade deficit with China, And China is buying up US assets all at the same time that many would consider china a national security threat.. I mean the looming boogieman of China was apparent when it was the Clinton admin we were talking about. Are we to believe that changed because a different party now sits in office. Which is better, from the Chinese perspective on war, destroying an enemy on the battlefield or before the enemy ever gets there..
There are multiple ways to destroy an enemy - Militarily, psychologically, and economically. War is an artform. And China is more aware of it than the Soviet Union ever was. They undermine us in talks with other countries around the world on a regular basis - which has been discussed many times on this forum.
In the meantime...http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48868
Hey, can you develope a sense of humor? I think my comment was a fun poke at the MSM, wasn't it?
I missed this. Did he also restore his security clearance and lift the gag order? I happen to think Rumsfeld is one of the good guys in all this, but he's probably not thrilled with Weldon making his life more difficult.
Bravo to you for putting together those links. How the previous administration is still walking the street instead of doing time for treason is beyond me. And THAT is frightening.
What, you think Bush wants a felon for a brother in law?
BTTT.
Bump!
Weldon to be on Tony Snow today.
I always thought the Cox Report was what was going to ultimately take down Clinton. It should have.
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Thank you for your energy, optimism, and words of encouragement.
Yes, those of us who have been beating our proverbial heads against the wall for years now sometimes get frustrated, disapointed, and a bit jaded by what seems like our cause sliding two steps back for every one taken forward much of the time.
And I sometimes use FR and similar forums to vent on, and you serve to remind me that my angst and sarcasm (I should have used the "[/s]" thing, I suppose) oft comes accross as fatalistic pessimism and could be discouraging to those not familiar with my style.
You are right; I should be more careful about that - not only in here but in my role as a radio talk show co-host on a local station.
But in spite of my frustration, I can't just cower in my foxhole and wait for the enemy to show up to administer the coup'-de-grace; Just last night I showed up at a local Republican Town Committee meeting where we are working on recruiting and supporting local and State Candidates.
And although the Republican Party leaves a lot to be desired by us conservatives now and then, it sure beats the alternative.
We do call our Reps and Senators on important issues - although I think that they are getting pretty familiar with us and I'm not sure just how seriously they take me any more.
And I intend to call again today about this monkey business with our ports going to Arabia and China; Just when it seems that things might be turning around - like being able to get Justice Alito nominated and confirmed, against all odds - some landslide of corruption and deciet like that comes rolling down from Capitol Hill.
That can indeed be frustrating; but giving up just isn't an option, is it?
Re. the Scheaffer situation; I do try to stay up to speed on these things, but obviously missed that one.
After I posted, I did notice a brief mention of Sec. Rumsfeld's coming to his rescue in another posting.
Thanks for the update on that.
At least Carter was just generally an incompetent socialist. This clown was purposely undermining our national security. There is NO crime worse than that, IMO.
BTT
They are gonna go balls to the wall to defeat Weldon. I'm sending the guy a check.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1579776/posts
Read this blog post from someone in the intelligence ocmmunity. Seems the thinking is to give Weldon a little bit of room to appease him.
I agree completely. Weldon has asked time and time again as he's done radio and television interviews -- on Savage yesterday, for example -- that people contact their Reps and urge them to get involved.
I relaize peopel have done that and the reps have said they care, but where were they at Wednesday's hearing. Weldon (and McKinney!) were the only ones that were truly engaged.
If you've already reached out to your member, do it again and tell them that they're not doing enough. Let them know you're watching and paying attention.
The fact that he hasn't gone out of his way to order a full cooperation with congressional oversight and Congressman Weldon...a true patriot. The fix is in.
I don't see any evidence to support that conclusion. After all .. it was Rumsfeld who rescued Lt. Shaffer and kept him from being railroaded.
Too little, too late.
Rumsfeld should have become proactive, had a press conference praising the Able Danger findings, and condemning the unnamed obstructionists who violated their oathes to protect national security...and for the benefit of the public inquiry, ordered a complete restoration of the lost work product that the Xlinton's ordered destroyed. This is doable, and for relatively cheap, since we already know the links which popped up...and still have the people who did the work before...and the open sources are still, well, open.
I don't think for a second that Rumsfeld would be dragging his feet of his own inclination...quite the opposite.
I think he is under orders.
Something similar happened when GWB ordered the wholesale unilateral dismantlement of our land-based counterforce capability...our newest and best missiles, the MX missile force. Rumsfeld stalled, and stalled, and finally was called on the carpet by the President. It is costing approximately $4.3 billion a year to do these dismantlements...over and above what it would take just to keep them operational. A complete SQUANDRY of severely over-stretched defense dollars...and strategically very questionable considering that this unilateral "gesture" is totally unreciprocated by the Russians... They are keeping their SS-18s fully functional, and undiminished, until the year 2017. Plus they are now deploying still more new missiles, the Topol-M, which has both FOBS capability, MARV capability and purportedly even has stealth.
Thanks for the links. I'll check them out this weekend, and I'll have several beers on your behalf. Cheers!
Weldon elaborated a bit on the China connection when he appeared on the Tony snow program this monring. Thanks for TomGuy for the link...
http://d.turboupload.com/d/366460/Weldon-AbleDanger-TonySnowRadio-021706.MP3.html
Were you aware that we are rebuilding the military.
If you're going to change how the military is structured, you're going to have to CANCEL some programs and some groups - because they no longer exist .. DUH!!
And .. Bush has his own agenda he wants to get done in his last 3 years. The last thing he needs is wall-to-wall Clinton in the newspapers and on TV every day. And .. because of the President's reverence for the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY - I'm sure he's reluctant to drag THE OFFICE through the mud.
So far the old media is cooperating and is silent about the treasonous actions of the former president.
I fully intend to do that!
Building downward you mean.
Take a look at what's going on in the big picture. Start at the key strategic nuclear end of things. Half the B-1B's retired arbitrarily. Now half the Trident Subs will wind up being lost to the strategic force...even though they have been our ace in the hole against massive strategic surprise. More than half the Minuteman force. Still deeper cuts in the Minuteman now in the newest budget. ALL of the MX prematurely and unilaterally retired without reciprocation by the Russians. And that is taking BILLIONS every year to decommision stuff, more expensively than it would be to just keep them in operation. Planning to diminish still further the aircraft carrier fleet...despite increased needs for them because of lost bases.
Retiring the IRREPLACEABLE F-14. Right now. And no, the F-18 is in no way an adequate replacement. Retiring the F-117s, although they would be very welcome ain any conflict with China. Not replacing the Xlinton-decommissioned Fleet Oilers and the underway replenishment ships. Not replacing the attack subs fast enough to maintain the fleet size, despite all studies pointing to an increased fleet size need.
Failing to budget for a restoration of a strong ASW capability, despite consistent analyses that this would be the decisive area of conflict with China. Failing to confront cascading dependency of the military for imports, because we just don't make anything here anymore...and in fact, making it WORSE, by threatening a veto against Duncan Hunter's wonderful bill.
Meanwhile almost no F-22s are getting deployed (about a fourth of what was originally deemed necessary to be deployed), while our aging F-15s are losing practice tests against the new Russian-built Su-30-mkk's. And the signs were there pointing to the program dodging a bullet... escaping program cancellation by a hairs-breadth. The J-35 may not be so lucky.
If you're going to change how the military is structured, you're going to have to CANCEL some programs and some groups - because they no longer exist .. DUH!!
The evidence is in that major wars are not things of the past with China and Iran looming. And your causality is reversed...so, no they no longer will exist...if they get CANCELLED! DUH! A lot of our needs, big or small war, is fundamental infrastructure which needs to be recapitalized, because our stuff is getting really, really old. The KC-135's for example. He should have gone to the mat on this and blowing McCain out of the water on this. Now it will cost $200 billion...and most of it might be made in Europe. Then there is the C-17... For a head's up on some picayune cost-savings idiocy he is inflicting...check out the article appended at the bottom of my post.
And .. Bush has his own agenda he wants to get done in his last 3 years. The last thing he needs is wall-to-wall Clinton in the newspapers and on TV every day.
Exactly wrong. Bush is only there because of the treacheries and untrustworthiness of Xlinton convincing the Republic of the dire need for curative change. He is only in the White House because we conservatives thought he would be an adult and hold no one above the law...and that he would finally clean up the place, which of course implicitly meant holding the perps accountable.
But instead, almost all the henchmen holdovers are still with us, and its been pass after pass, from the FBI files, to Able Danger, to Sandy Hamburglar ham-handed destruction of records...and on, and on, up to the conspicuous 'love-fest' rehabilitation of the Xlintons
And .. because of the President's reverence for the OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY - I'm sure he's reluctant to drag THE OFFICE through the mud.
He and his dad's 'love-fest' for Bubba is rather dramatically destroying reverence for the office if they make it appear that there is no difference. RepublicRATs all. If he was so concerned about the OFFICE, then enforcing the OATHE of OFFICE seems to be a tad more important than superficials of congeniality. Furthermore, he should not have been in such a rush to embrace the "intel was wrong" line about going into Iraq. Instead of being a noble self-sacrifice (admitting error) it instead leaves egg on his...and the OFFICE's face... Instead, he should have demanded, "Where did the stuff we know existed, GO?" Failure to find them should have been a 'heads rolling' situation. The Iraqi Survey Group never got out of the Green Zone, and of course didn't find anything... Consequently he has let the "Office" be drug through the most mud thrown up by the RAT crackpots since, oh, Watergate. As a result it was touch and go holding onto the White House despite what should have been a slam dunk against the whack job Kerry.
Here is an info clip you may find edifying:
Stutter step for C-17 could be costly
02/17/06
author: Tim McLaughlin
If the Pentagon ends production of Boeing Co.'s C-17 cargo plane in 2008 and then decides to re-start the program a few years later, it could cost taxpayers up to several billion dollars under a scenario outlined by the U.S. Commerce Department.
The Pentagon's budget for fiscal 2007 envisions modernizing Lockheed Martin Corp.'s fleet of C-5s and ending production of the C-17 after the 180th plane rolls off the production line in early 2008. The C-17 program employs several thousand Boeing workers in California and sustains about 2,100 jobs in Missouri and Illinois.
A study by the Commerce Department's bureau of industry and security says Boeing likely would sell its 424-acre C-17 production site in Long Beach, Calif., for commercial development if the Pentagon shuttered the cargo plane program.
One scenario outlined by the Commerce Department study has the C-17 plant closing, with production resuming a few years later of only 40 or so planes at a new site. Restarting production at a new site would cost about $5.7 billion, the study said, including the expense of later shutting down the new production site after the short production run.
"The U.S. government would sustain much higher charges if more than a few years pass before the decision to resume manufacture C-17s were made," the Commerce Department study says. "The reason: Boeing would likely sell off its 424-acre site at Long Beach for commercial, residential and light residential use."
In another scenario, a decision to permanently shut down C-17 production would result in $500 million in contract close-out charges, nearly $600 million in dismantling costs and $165 million in severance payments - for a total of $1.26 billion, according to the Commerce Department study.
Richard Aboulafia, a defense analyst at the Teal Group, an aerospace and defense research firm, said the C-17 has become a political football between Congress and the Pentagon. By not funding the C-17 beyond 180 planes, the Pentagon has left Congress with the choice of doing nothing for the C-17 or getting more money for the program.
"Killing the C-17 at 180 planes is just plain stupid," Aboulafia said.
At a production rate of 15 planes a year, a C-17 costs about $167 million, excluding engines, the Commerce Department study says. That's about 45 percent less than the first C-17 delivered in 1993.
In contrast, the Pentagon is pushing to modernize 112 C-5s for about $10 billion. That would keep the fleet going through 2040.
The Pentagon's recent top-to-bottom defense review supports C-5 upgrades, rankling C-17 supporters. They point to the C-17's demonstrated reliability, pointing to mission capability rates that have topped 90 percent.
In the mid-1990s, the C-5 fleet had mission capability rates of less than 70 percent, according to a government study. Upgrading the fleet would improve the C-5's performance.
Aboulafia said it's smart to equip the C-5 fleet with modern cockpit electronics and install new engines on 50 "B" model C-5s. He's not sure, though, if it would be wise to put new engines on the older "A" model C-5s.
Lockheed Martin officials did not return calls seeking comment.
The C-17 is a smaller, but more nimble plane than the C-5. For example, it can land on a dirt runway of less than 3,000 feet. That's an important capability when moving cargo to a remote base in Iraq or Afghanistan.
But nothing in the U.S. airlift fleet matches the C-5's maximum payload, which is about 53 percent more than the C-17.
Heavy haulers
A comparison of Boeing's C-17 and Lockheed Martin's C-5.
Plane C-17 C5
Maximum payload (pounds)170,900 261,000
Maximum range (nautical miles) 2,400 2,982
Minimum runway (feet) 1,400 4,900
Fleet size 137 126
Source: U.S. Department of Commerce
Start with Murtha and how he steers appropriations funds based on contributions. Take some of that shine off.
Could this have anything to do with what Sandy Burgler was up to at the archives?
Wow! You're just so much smarter than me and you just know so much more than I do .. I can't even understand why you would even speak to me.
But .. thanks for the disertation - which I didn't read!
bee you em pee
Your loss.
Well .. when you have all that knowledge - there's a way to convey it without overwhelming people.
I just wanted a conversation with a few facts .. but instead I got preached to as if I was stupid, ignorant, and probably didn't understand anyway.
When will you people learn that. I don't want to be lectured - I want to be informed!
BUMP for an excellent piece. Thank you for posting this. Our government has failed us. I challenge anyone on this website to try and convince me why the American people shouldn't start cleaning the majority of both parties out of both houses of CONgress.
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