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To: Lochlainnach
there are still hollow spots in the theory

And no doubt always will be. There is always "more to learn", about everything. Though on the whole, we know far more about the theory of evolution than we do about the theory of how gravity works. While there is little doubt among those who understand the issues, that evolution and gravity both "work".

Evolution is, so far, the "best" explanation (theory) for how the species came to exist, then often die off, over the eons. What anti-evolutions don't understand is that it is not sufficient to simply poke holes in evolution to "make it go away". Evolution theory must be *replaced* by something else that explains all that evidence better than evolution theory does. So far, they're not even off the starting block, and they don't even recognize how far they have to go.

53 posted on 02/16/2006 9:28:51 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby
Evolution is, so far, the "best" explanation (theory) for how the species came to exist, then often die off, over the eons. What anti-evolutions don't understand is that it is not sufficient to simply poke holes in evolution to "make it go away". Evolution theory must be *replaced* by something else that explains all that evidence better than evolution theory does. So far, they're not even off the starting block, and they don't even recognize how far they have to go.

HEAR, HEAR!!! Few or none could provide explanation for a thing absent the explanation that already explains the thing.

70 posted on 02/16/2006 10:27:00 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: narby

Well said.

"Though on the whole, we know far more about the theory of evolution than we do about the theory of how gravity works. While there is little doubt among those who understand the issues, that evolution and gravity both "work"."...You hear about people complaining that evolution is taught in schools like it is a fact, but you never hear that about gravity...which is really interesting, something we take for concrete fact isn't even a fact; not even a deeply postulated theory.

I think the battle between creation and evolution pin points on context: that evolution is "true" causes some thick dilemmas in terms of what religion (not just Christianity, but any mono or polytheistic religion giving man an...elevated place in the cosmos)says about our place on earth. And this seems to cause people to disregard mountains of evidence in favor of evolution so that they can maintain a specific brand of faith. Once again, the problem of seeing things in black and white.

Personally, I don't believe the "truth" of evolution negates human beings significance because we demand that we are significant. We do it inherently. Some reject it, some don't. Even existentialists, like Camus, say that human beans are not insignificant if they find a purpose, mainly serving humanity.

More than any other animal we crave, and prosper, from human contact. Put a human in constant isolation and watch what happens to them. It's one of the only things human beings cannot endure without losing their minds...or turning to drugs or drinking, etc. We are important to one another, and this is why, as a gnostic struggling with the ideas of God and our place in the world, I still like Christianity's emphasis on sacrifice and love when it remains within the boundaries of brotherhood and maintaining a healthy, safe community...Christians can turn any horror into a chance at redemption because redemption is at the heart of the religion...it practically begs you to admit your sins...but that's another story.


78 posted on 02/16/2006 11:12:06 PM PST by Lochlainnach (If there was no death penalty, I'm pretty sure Jesus would still be alive today.)
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To: narby
I think a good parallel to how I feel is given by Michael Gazzaniga in "The Ethical Brain." See:

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/1932594019.html
79 posted on 02/16/2006 11:26:01 PM PST by Lochlainnach (If there was no death penalty, I'm pretty sure Jesus would still be alive today.)
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