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There is no stop button in the race for human re-engineering
World Transhumanist Association ^ | 1/30/06 | Margaret Bunting

Posted on 02/17/2006 10:59:39 AM PST by Aquinasfan

In a remarkably even-handed article, Margaret Bunting points Guardian readers to the emerging debate on human enhancement, and the forthcoming pamphlet on “Better Humans" from the British thinktank Demos.

To the real enthusiasts - they call themselves transhumanists - humanity is on the point of being liberated from its biology. In their advocacy of our “technological rights”, they believe that human beings are on the brink of a huge leap in development, leaving behind the sick, quarrelsome, weak, fallible creatures we have been up to now. We will be, as their slogan goes, “better than well”.

This is the prospect that horrifies the so-called “bio-conservatives” such as Francis Fukuyama, who argues that transhumanism is the most dangerous ideology of our time. There are plenty who share his concerns, pointing out that the implications for human rights, indeed for our understanding of what it is to be human, are huge. What place will equality have in this brave new world? What place will privacy have when brain imaging can read our thoughts and transcranial magnetic stimulation can manipulate our thoughts? What powers over our brains will the state demand in the war against terror?...

There’s no stop button available. Much of the research that could be ultimately used for human enhancement is urgently needed to counter such neuro-degenerative diseases as Alzheimer’s. But it’s all too possible to envisage how fast, in a competitive, unequal world, we could hurtle towards some horrible futures. The one I outlined above for my descendants was the most benign I could imagine. There’s no point in sci-fi style panic. The best hope lies in the strength and quality of public debate and democratic institutions to regulate and direct the use of these powerful technologies.

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Darwinists can enjoy the fruit of their theory.

The rest of us can enjoy a peek into the abyss.

1 posted on 02/17/2006 10:59:41 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Aquinasfan

Amen to that.

The hubris of this movement is truly breathtaking. The vista of unintended consequences that will ensue as "fallible humans" attempt to engineer "superior humans" has been pretty thoroughly explored by science fiction writers for at least a generation now. But I doubt they have even scratched the surface.

I doubt any of us can come up with all the quite probable consequences that will ensue as "fallible, feeble humans" fumble and grope to bypass the natural order and impose on human developement what they think are superior standards. God help us all.


2 posted on 02/17/2006 11:10:42 AM PST by scory
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The whole of Margaret's wisdom:
My daughter is 10. Fast forward 25 years, and she is having her first child - early by the standards of all her friends, but she's keen on "natural". Of course, she did pre- implementation genetic diagnosis, and she and her husband (yes, very old fashioned, they married) had some agonising days deciding on whether to modify a genetic predisposition to depression and whether to splice in a gene for enhanced intelligence. In the end, they felt they had no option but to give their baby the best possible start in life.

Five years later, my little grand-daughter is starting school. Again her parents have talked over the pros and cons of cognitive enhancement. A pharmcogenetic package is now routinely offered on the NHS after the government decided that, given international competition in the global knowledge economy, there was no option but to ensure the nation's schoolchildren had better powers of memory and concentration. I had my doubts, but I have to admit that my little granddaughter is proving a wonderfully clever creature - a constant source of amazement to me.

My doubts were in part assuaged by the fact that I had already started stronger doses of the same cognitive enhancement drugs. They've helped hugely with my forgetfulness (I'm just hitting my 70s). They are part of a cocktail of drugs I'm now taking to postpone many of the effects of ageing. I dithered a bit but in the end there was no option. I'm doing the childcare for all my five grandchildren and I need to be strong and fit for them. My age expectancy is now 110, so the plan is that I can help out a bit with the great grandchildren too.

What we've been unhappy about is that my daughter has been very tired trying to hold down her job and be a mum, and she's come under a lot of pressure from her boss to get help. What they mean is that she should go on to Provigil. They point out that if she was taking it, she could miss several nights of sleep without any problem. Her colleagues call her a bio-Luddite for refusing. She's already the only one not to have taken her company's early diagnosis - she said she didn't want to know whether she was going to get Alzheimer's disease in 30 years' time.

The other thing that concerns us is that many of the children in my grandchild's school have had much better enhancement programmes. The cleverest went to China for the latest technology. I can see that my grand-child is never going to keep up. At the moment, she doesn't mind that she's bottom of her class, but she'll be lucky to get to a good university. The one hope I've got is that they might introduce quotas for "naturals" or "near-naturals" like her. Anyway, to cheer her up I bought her the equivalent of what we called iPods in the old days - the chip inserted behind her ear gives her 24/7 access to stories and music. She downloaded a book I loved when I was her age, Little House on the Prairie. She thinks it's magical.

Sound far-fetched? It's anything but. This is the most conservative of a range of scenarios about the possibilities of "human enhancement" that have prompted fierce debate in the US and are exercising many a scientist's mind around the world. The pace of development in four distinct disciplines - neuroscience, biotechnology such as genetics, computing and nanoscience - is such that many envisage dramatic breakthroughs in how we can modify ourselves, our physical and mental capabilities. We could live much longer and be much stronger and cleverer - even be much happier. A whole new meaning to "Be all you can be".

The Washington Post journalist and author of Radical Evolution, Joel Garreau, argues that we are at a pivotal point in human development. Having directed our technological ingenuity on the world around us, human beings are now turning it on to their own bodies and minds. From here on in, we will have the tools to engineer our own evolution.

To the real enthusiasts - they call themselves transhumanists - humanity is on the point of being liberated from its biology. [Certainly consonant with an Darwinist worldview] In their advocacy of our "technological rights", they believe that human beings are on the brink of a huge leap in development, leaving behind the sick, quarrelsome, weak, fallible creatures we have been up to now. We will be, as their slogan goes, "better than well".

This is the prospect that horrifies the so-called "bio-conservatives" such as Francis Fukuyama, who argues that transhumanism is the most dangerous ideology of our time. There are plenty who share his concerns, pointing out that the implications for human rights, indeed for our understanding of what it is to be human, are huge. What place will equality have in this brave new world? What place will privacy have when brain imaging can read our thoughts and transcranial magnetic stimulation can manipulate our thoughts? What powers over our brains will the state demand in the war against terror?

It's time we got our heads around this debate on this side of the Atlantic so that we can influence what technologies are developed, rather than leaving it to the scientists and the pharmaceutical and military interests who sponsor their research. There's a growing sense of urgency to get the public debate up to speed with what's at stake.

Last week, a remarkable exercise in public consultation in Brussels, Meeting of Minds, drew people from across the EU together to discuss the subject. Next week, the thinktank Demos launches a pamphlet, Better Humans. Oxford University's Said Business School is hosting a big international conference, Tomorrow's People, in March - at which Garreau is a keynote speaker.

The point well made by Better Humans is how far advanced public acceptance is of many of the principles that underlie these technologies. So we're not talking about radical new steps, only an acceleration of existing trends. For example, if you can have Viagra for an enhanced sexual life, why not a Viagra for the mind? Is there a meaningful difference? If we show such enthusiasm for "improving" our noses and breasts with cosmetic surgery, why not also improve our brains? As computers continue to increase in power and shrink in size, why shouldn't we come to use them as prostheses, a kind of artificial limb for the brain? If we have successfully lengthened life expectancy with good sanitation and diet, why can't we lengthen it with new drugs? Ritalin is already being traded in the classroom by US students to help improve their concentration.

There's no stop button available. Much of the research that could be ultimately used for human enhancement is urgently needed to counter such neuro-degenerative diseases as Alzheimer's. But it's all too possible to envisage how fast, in a competitive, unequal world, we could hurtle towards some horrible futures. The one I outlined above for my descendants was the most benign I could imagine. There's no point in sci-fi style panic. The best hope lies in the strength and quality of public debate and democratic institutions to regulate and direct the use of these powerful technologies.

And why not mix humans with animals? The sky's the limit. Or maybe it's hell.
3 posted on 02/17/2006 11:11:15 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

Darwinists? Oh, you mean people who think the Theory of Evolution is the best explanation of speciation on this planet. I was confused, since I know nobody who refers to himself as a Darwinist.

In any case, Evolutionists have nothing to do with these nutcases.


4 posted on 02/17/2006 11:12:11 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
In any case, Evolutionists have nothing to do with these nutcases.

Who would? But how do their ideas contradict evolutionary thought? Isn't natural selection constantly improving us, as we are constantly evolving?

They're just speeding up the process.

5 posted on 02/17/2006 11:15:26 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: scory
I doubt any of us can come up with all the quite probable consequences that will ensue as "fallible, feeble humans" fumble and grope to bypass the natural order and impose on human developement what they think are superior standards. God help us all.

You need to understand that to the people who wrote the article in this thread consider use a pair of glasses to see better violates 'the natural order'.

6 posted on 02/17/2006 11:15:35 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Aquinasfan
Darwinists can enjoy the fruit of their theory. The rest of us can enjoy a peek into the abyss.

Ah, but this is merely a case of intelligent design. And of course we don't have to worry about it, because it's not scientific....

7 posted on 02/17/2006 11:18:24 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Aquinasfan
Aw heck, That ain't Nothin.

Biology, such an outdated concept..

8 posted on 02/17/2006 11:18:47 AM PST by Paradox (Liberalism is Narcissism.)
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To: scory
And the negative effects of tweaking the genome may not be seen for many generations. Or when two "created/modified" humans have children, or their children have children...

Ironically, there may be a point when humans are not allowed to have children naturally because the resulting child will probably have serious birth defects. Humans may not be able to sustain ourselves as a species and we will become extinct.
9 posted on 02/17/2006 11:20:40 AM PST by dhs12345
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To: Paradox
Aw heck, That ain't Nothin.

Machine's can't think, since thought is an essentially spiritual activity. AI is nothing more than one big category error.

10 posted on 02/17/2006 11:22:29 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

It stops being natural selection then. Of course we've been screwing up natural selection for a long time. The first time a doctor kept a kid from dieing from some disease and that kid went on to have kids we broke natural selection.


11 posted on 02/17/2006 11:24:36 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: Aquinasfan
But those men, they got plans...

AI is like the old science of Alchemy, IMHO anyways.

12 posted on 02/17/2006 11:30:03 AM PST by Paradox (Liberalism is Narcissism.)
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To: Aquinasfan
From the article:
I bought her the equivalent of what we called iPods in the old days - the chip inserted behind her ear gives her 24/7 access to stories and music. She downloaded a book I loved when I was her age, Little House on the Prairie. She thinks it's magical.

15 years ago I was told by a researcher that came to my store that she was working on a "biological data interface" and that in the not too distant future, we would be able to insert chips or discs into a slot behind our ears and suddenly know "everything there was to know about --insert subject here--" Calculus, Spanish, History, Chemistry, whatever.

Interesting stuff, and kinda scary, too.

13 posted on 02/17/2006 11:33:10 AM PST by ConservativeBamaFan
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To: discostu; steve-b
Of course we've been screwing up natural selection for a long time. The first time a doctor kept a kid from dieing from some disease and that kid went on to have kids we broke natural selection.

I agree, at least from an evolutionary perspective.

What then is "health"? Is it "the proper operation of the body," as the dictionary defines it? But what is "proper operation" when the human body is in a perpetual state of transformation? Why do some scientists work to restore "proper operation" of the body, while others deny that such a thing exists?

Additionally, why is the act of preventing a child from dying of disease a rupture of the rubric of natural selection? Hasn't the human brain evolved to promote our survival, as in this example? So why not continue to "evolve" our brains "forward" as the transhumanists seek to do? Aren't they working for our survival as a species?

14 posted on 02/17/2006 11:34:12 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan

It's not a rupture of the rubric of natural selection. It's a break in the point of natural selection. If the kid dies we eliminate of chain of people that are highly susceptible to that disease, by saving the kid's life we are perpetuating that weakness. There's a lot of bad side effects to that, my wife's family is a great example, every generation has lower and lower standard health, has to take more and more prescription medicines just to reach adulthood, and then they pass those weaknesses on to the next generation. Eventually there's got to be a meltdown point.

So since we've been tinkering with genetics on accident for centuries there could be a good reason to tinker deliberately. The problem is when to say when. Using genetic modification to get rid of things like sickle cell and asthma are probably good. Cosmetic alterations would definitely be bad. Somewhere in between there is the line, not sure where though.


15 posted on 02/17/2006 11:40:28 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: wagglebee; MillerCreek

I added the keywords, do your thang!


16 posted on 02/17/2006 11:41:36 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Aquinasfan
Well I guess the question is "What is the Locical Conclusion? Where will this directed Evolution take us and has someone been there before us?
17 posted on 02/17/2006 11:41:45 AM PST by WhatsItAllAbout
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To: Aquinasfan

"Aren't they working for our survival as a species?"

These wierd folks are just nutcases. They dream of a day when they "shed their human bodies," and are pure intellect.

They're like folks who believe that Star Trek is non-fiction.

Forget them. They're no more a news story than Alice in Wonderland is.


18 posted on 02/17/2006 11:45:27 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Aquinasfan
Well I guess the question is "What is the sp (Logical) Conclusion? Where will this directed Evolution take us and has someone been there before us?
19 posted on 02/17/2006 11:45:32 AM PST by WhatsItAllAbout
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To: Aquinasfan
Certainly consonant with an Darwinist worldview

In what way? Evolution is all about biology. "Liberating humanity from its biology" takes it outside evolution.

Methinks you're just being knee-jerk and lumping all you disagree with into a single bin.

20 posted on 02/17/2006 11:47:10 AM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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