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California: Health Care Advocates Begin Statewide Push for Tobacco Tax Initiative
yahoonews.com ^ | February 17, 2006

Posted on 02/18/2006 5:25:55 AM PST by SheLion

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To: TheSpottedOwl; SheLion; Calpernia
I must have made an error in the link. It's to Dan Weintraub's "California Insider blog. Let's try it again: click here. And here's the text once more:

Uh-oh

The four legislative leaders today sent a joint letter to the California Hospital Assn. expressing concern that a proposed ballot measure to increase the tobacco tax could put the state in violation of an agreement that settled nationwide litigation against the industry. That would lead to the forfeit of California's share of the settlement money from that lawsuit and force the state's general fund to repay bonds floated during the Davis Administration that essentially mortgaged that 25-year revenue stream to help bridge the state's budget deficit.


61 posted on 02/18/2006 8:37:28 AM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

I use SYO brand. I will never buy a premade cigarette again. I can now feel the difference between the preservatives and real tobacco.

It is a new habit to train with though. You have to make them.


62 posted on 02/18/2006 8:37:31 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: television is just wrong
A visitation again from our enemy Rob Reiner.

Actually, Rob Reiner is opposed to this tax. He's afraid it'll lead to less smoking and cut into the revenue that comes from the 50 cent a pack tax that his organization controls.

63 posted on 02/18/2006 8:41:31 AM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: SheLion
The point was that if the Legislative Counsel's concerns are deemed valid by the Attorney General, the measure will not be allowed on the ballot without a full explanation of it's financial impact.

The measure, if passed, would dictate additional sources of revenues, ie. general obligation bonds, to pay back the invalidated gains from the settlement. Under those circumstances the measure is doomed because it's passage would tax all Californians, not just the wealthy.

If the Attorney General agrees with the findings of the Legislative Counsel, I doubt the measure will even make it to the ballot.

64 posted on 02/18/2006 8:45:07 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Uhhuh35
Good morning.
"I hope it passes, and california passes more taxes and lets more illegals in. Then california will go over the cliff."

No sweat, Boobalah, if we go the rest of you are toast as well.

I am a boat builder and sailor who is skilled with most weapons and I speak Spanish. Maybe we can play hunt the bigot through the ruins of the coastal town of Phoenix later.

No offense intended, of course.

Michael Frazier
65 posted on 02/18/2006 8:46:41 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: SheLion

we tried that and grey out davis killed it in its' tracks Prop 87. Never made it to the courts. They were Afraid it would pass.


66 posted on 02/18/2006 8:53:29 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: ClaireSolt

they have been shamed into submission.


67 posted on 02/18/2006 8:54:44 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: John Jorsett

yeah, but he started it... opened the door, and here we go.


68 posted on 02/18/2006 8:57:42 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Calpernia

I'm remined of a scene set in the near future in that Schwarzenegger flick about cloning. Arnold's character and his wife sneak out to the garage to illegally take a couple tokes off a cigar. It was funny but in a sad sort of way. He could fly helicopters all over the place like a bat out of hell but he couldn't smoke a cigar? LOL.


69 posted on 02/18/2006 9:02:30 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I usw a fairly pricey brand of tobacco called Samson Milde Shag and still stuff my own for about $1.80 a pack. That's including the filtered tubes.

It's about like a heavy, very smooth, Marlboro Medium.

Another that I like that isn't quite as pricey is Look Out Milde Shag.
It's just a little harsher but not by much.

My suggestion is to get a sampler of tobaccos. They are out there but you gotta look.

70 posted on 02/18/2006 9:12:42 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Thanks! I noticed that they offer several different types of tobacco. Which kind do you guys buy?

I like the menthol.


71 posted on 02/18/2006 9:17:21 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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Don't get your hopes up...Marlboros at the convenience store are 4.26 a pack with tax here in NM, and about 35 bucks a carton.

I'd make my husband quit if he didn't stuff his own. :-)


72 posted on 02/18/2006 9:20:38 AM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: television is just wrong
A visitation again from our enemy Rob Reiner.

He's a two-faced pig!

ROBBER REINER'S LIES
AND HOLLYWOOD MONEY
WON AGAIN!

     

(Talk about Big Fat!)
Situational ethics?When Reiner put River Phoenix in his movie, Stand By Me, and had him
smoke throughout, Phoenix was only 14 years old. Guess it's okay to
have kids smoke when it's for Reiner's benefit.

73 posted on 02/18/2006 9:21:01 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

I guess he was contributing to the delinquency of a minor?

Maybe the phoenix family should sue...


74 posted on 02/18/2006 9:23:54 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: television is just wrong
I guess he was contributing to the delinquency of a minor?

Maybe the phoenix family should sue...

I don't know how the Phoenix family handled this, but Reiner makes me puke.

I never thought much about it until he started getting on the band wagon against smokers.  Then this popped up about how he had River smoke all through one of his movies.  Double standard again. :(

75 posted on 02/18/2006 9:26:05 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: SheLion

the do as I say, not as I do.


Routine.


76 posted on 02/18/2006 9:30:51 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

If you don't wish to order online, most specialty cigarette shops and tobacconists carry the stuffing equipment and tobacco.

You get a nice Halfszware Shag tobacco like Jester, and you have a first class cig. Compared to Marlboro or Basic, it's like Belgian trappist monk ale compared to Coors Light. In other words, there is no comparison. Fresh, pure tobacco for about a dollar a pack. You can stuff 'em while you watch TV. And the gubmint gets stiffed. You can't ask for better than that. :-)


77 posted on 02/18/2006 9:31:49 AM PST by stands2reason (It's now 2006, and two wrongs still don't make a right.)
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To: television is just wrong
the do as I say, not as I do.

Right.  And how is going to go against him?  He has a lot of nerve too, being as fat as he is and he comes down on people who smoke!

78 posted on 02/18/2006 9:39:41 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: stands2reason; TheSpottedOwl
If you don't wish to order online, most specialty cigarette shops and tobacconists carry the stuffing equipment and tobacco.

That's how "I" got started.  We have a Smoke Shop in town that sells the bags of loose tobacco and the filtered tubes.  They only have a little hand held machine though, and I found it hard for me to use.

79 posted on 02/18/2006 9:41:03 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Calpernia

Wow. Everyone's heard of Monsanto, but what are they producing or researching these days? I was vaguely aware of the relationship between university hospitals and corporate grants, but you laid it out in plain English.


80 posted on 02/18/2006 9:50:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl (Support the fence....grow a Victory Garden!)
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