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What if the cartoons were mocking Jesus? (LAUGH AND BARF ALERT)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | February 19, 2006 | MARK BROWN SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Posted on 02/19/2006 7:18:04 AM PST by Chi-townChief

Opinions Are Like Belly Buttons (everybody has one) -- aka: Brown Picks Lint from His Navel.

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Odds are that you would not be offended by seeing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, seeing as how Muslims are a scant minority of this newspaper's readers.

But how would you feel about it if we ran a cartoon depicting Jesus Christ in a priest's garb sodomizing a choirboy to illustrate the sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church?

I'll bet some of you would have a slightly different reaction to that.

Or what if that same cartoon depicted the choirboy as African-American, in light of the alleged abuse at St. Agatha's in North Lawndale?

Just reading the description probably causes the hair to stand up on the back of some of your necks, as I well appreciate.

Words can be powerful tools, pictures even more so. I considered substituting a milder description than sodomizing, just to tone it down. Self-censorship, you see.

But what if I took it even further, what if the cartoon's caption somehow incorporated Jesus using the "N" word? Or just to clarify that the point I'm trying to make is not based on race, let's make the choirboy a white girl and the caption with Jesus using the "C" word.

That's entirely different than the Muhammad cartoons, you may say.

The Muhammad cartoons are nowhere near as offensive as what I'm describing, you think.

Well, apparently they are to Muslims.

It's great to hear all the support that's being voiced around the country right now for the First Amendment in light of the Muhammad cartoon controversy -- all of it coming from people egging us on to print the cartoons.

Yes, we have the right to print the Danish newspaper's cartoons, just as we would have the right to print a cartoon such as the offensive ones I have imagined.

Having the freedom to print what we want carries some responsibility to consider how it will affect those on the receiving end, which is a balancing act we face every day.

Pushing people's buttons

I'll bet my imaginary Jesus Christ cartoon could get a few protesters outside the Sun-Times, and if we told the protesters to buzz off, citing freedom of the press, I'll bet we could get some death threats, too. Rioting in the streets? Probably not. Unless we kept it up.

Maybe you think I'm missing the point. The real issue, you think, is the violent rioting in the Muslim world and that Muslims need to understand that they can't kill people because they don't like what's in the newspaper.

How exactly does publishing the cartoons here serve that end? Or do you just feel the need to prove that we're not afraid of any Muslim protesters?

One thing I've learned since I started writing this column is how easy it is to push people's buttons, and I'm not even the most skilled in-house practitioner of the art.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; US: Illinois
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Right off the bat, this clown Brown makes a mistake by trying to equate Jesus Christ and Muhammad; where Christ is God, Muhammad is just a person, somewhat like a minor Old Testament prophet.

Secondly, these anti-Christian tests that Brown is proposing have already taken place and we know the results: in the case of 'Piss Christ' and dung covered Mary, most anger was non-violently directed at the federal government for financing such literal waste. And, more recently, supposed pop singer Kanye West posing as the crucified Christ on a Rolling Stone cover was greeted by Christians with a collective shrug and the thought that, even with all his money, Kanye is still a loser.

The overall difference: Christians have a strong God Who wants them to live as free people; Muslims have a weak prophet who calls for submission of the individual to his totalitarian fiefdoms.

1 posted on 02/19/2006 7:18:06 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: AbsoluteJustice; Augie76; Barnacle; BeAllYouCanBe; BillyBoy; Bismarck; bourbon; ...

CHICAGOLAND PING


2 posted on 02/19/2006 7:19:02 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

All this sanctimony about Mohammerhead, as if he was some kind of holy man is just a bunch of nonsense. He was a general of an army and was involved in at least 65 military campaigns. To deny he was involved in brutal massacres is a flat out lie.

The only thing inaccurate about the bomb turban is that there weren't any bombs in Mohammerhead's day. Had he bombs, he would have used them as necessary to kill infidels.


3 posted on 02/19/2006 7:21:19 AM PST by putupjob
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To: Chi-townChief

The big difference is Jesus would never approve killing the innocent and he himself never killed anyone. In fact he saved many people. Christians worship live and Muslims praise death.


4 posted on 02/19/2006 7:22:15 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Chi-townChief
One thing this twit seems to forget is that Christians, in general, know about forgiveness...Muslims don't


5 posted on 02/19/2006 7:22:40 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Chi-townChief

Well Jesus would be misrepresented in such a cartoon being he lived a perfect sinless life even forgave those who mocked him and spit on him.. Where as we have this disgusting piece of work called mohammad who was in every sense of the word a Terrorist. im sure if he had bombs back then he would of used it. Instead he raped young girls, masacred 800 jewish men and boys etc etc etc do i really need to repeat it all again we all know.


6 posted on 02/19/2006 7:23:29 AM PST by ElisabethInCincy
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To: Chi-townChief

Ridicule only really hurts when it is true or close to the truth. That is why muslims are outraged. Denial is certainly an effective method for avoiding the truth, but it isn't strong enough to withstand ridicule and teasing.


7 posted on 02/19/2006 7:24:37 AM PST by Dark Skies ("Free speech is THE weapon of choice against islam...not democracy.")
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To: Chi-townChief
Under the Afghan veil, men in love with men
8 posted on 02/19/2006 7:24:38 AM PST by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Chi-townChief

---Odds are that you would not be offended by seeing a cartoon of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, seeing as how Muslims are a scant minority of this newspaper's readers. ---

I think the fact that Muslims are on a world-wide terror binge has something to do with our lack of offense taking, Mark Brown, you muddled-headed confuser of issues.


9 posted on 02/19/2006 7:27:25 AM PST by claudiustg (Delenda est Iran!)
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To: Chi-townChief

How did you know what I would post in response to this author's juvenile attempt at relativism?


10 posted on 02/19/2006 7:28:05 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Chi-townChief

turn the other cheek


11 posted on 02/19/2006 7:28:41 AM PST by Porterville (Sure are a lot of these few Muslim Extremist Fanatics)
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To: Chi-townChief
Was there ever a big revolt over Southparks depiction of Christ?

actually, southpark has 'fun' with our faith (and that probably offends the extra sensitive) they always seem to use it to tear into how fickle we are, not Jesus, so perhaps not a fair comparison.

12 posted on 02/19/2006 7:28:54 AM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: Chi-townChief

What if a crucifix was dumped in a jar of urine. I'm sure we would have had Christians rioting and burning down buildings. Oh, wait that not only happened, Our Government paid for it, and Christians in the US protested peacefully, most just said the government shouldn't pay for it, but I didn't hear anyone demand that the "artist" be beheaded, or have his hands cut off. Brown is an idiot.


13 posted on 02/19/2006 7:29:00 AM PST by sharkhawk (Bear Down Chicago Bears)
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To: Chi-townChief

*****How exactly does publishing the cartoons here serve that end? Or do you just feel the need to prove that we're not afraid of any Muslim protesters?****

My friend you have just proved that you in fact ARE afraid.

Your story doesnt make sense because as others have pointed out the examples of cartoons you say might anger Christians have already appeared and no on died becasue of it.

Christians are attacked daily by the ACLU and so far no one at ACLU has died from it.


14 posted on 02/19/2006 7:29:33 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: putupjob

"The only thing inaccurate about the bomb turban is that there weren't any bombs in Mohammerhead's day. Had he bombs, he would have used them as necessary to kill infidels."

If Mohammed (pizz be upon him) had had the technology that his sicko adherents have/are getting today, the whole story of history might be very different.

Which is why the world needs to quit dancing around and drop the big hammers on Iran and any other Mohammedan Koraniacs that mess with WMDs.


15 posted on 02/19/2006 7:30:44 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Chi-townChief
What passes for ed-op columnists these days is pathetic.

MARK BROWN'S supposed "thought provoking" makes Jethro Bodine seem like PJ O'Rourke.

16 posted on 02/19/2006 7:30:54 AM PST by F16Fighter
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To: Chi-townChief

Good analysis. msm outlets all over the country are rationalizing to themselves why, since the cartoons ARE the news that are "causing" riots and deaths, they are not printing this news.


17 posted on 02/19/2006 7:31:45 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Chi-townChief
In March 2000, CNN showed a picture of the Virgin Mary made out of dung:
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/STYLE/arts/03/27/museum.flap/index.html
Right there on CNN’s website you have a picture of "The Holy Virgin Mary" by British artist Chris Ofili. He used elephant dung and images of female genitalia in that ‘work’.

This garbage posing as ‘art’ was deemed offensive to Christians. CNN had no qualms about showing it and offending Christians. It has remained on their web site until today. Nearly five years now.

In fact, if you click on the link above, you will see this ‘work’ - still proudly displayed on CNN’s website.

Now the violent Muslims are rampaging and burning things - again - about a few cartoons, and CNN says, “CNN has chosen to not show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.”
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/02/05/cartoon.protests/index.html
Follow this link and read the last line in the article.

Hypocrisy?
Do not trust the MSM.

18 posted on 02/19/2006 7:32:36 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: DoNotDivide

muhammed was a pedophile, a murderer and a fag. Islam is as much a religion of peace as communism is a politic of equality. While Christianity has it's faults, wearing suicide bomb belts to kill innocents is not one of them.


19 posted on 02/19/2006 7:32:59 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Chi-townChief

20 posted on 02/19/2006 7:33:18 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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What a dumb article. The reactions wouldn't even be close. You would probably see some letters to the editor and some people would pull their subscription and boycott the paper if the cartoons were really bad. You would not see ambassadors being recalled because the paper choose to print a cartoon. You would not see deadly riots in the streets. You would not hear calls to shut down the free press.


21 posted on 02/19/2006 7:33:42 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Chi-townChief
What if the cartoons were mocking Jesus?

Why doesn't Brown put his ideas where his mouth is and publish some obscene cartoons about Jesus -- find out what happens?

Does he really think Christians will act like Muslims by rioting in the streets, and burning buildings?

Brown should either put up or shut up.

22 posted on 02/19/2006 7:33:48 AM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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To: Chi-townChief
"But how would you feel about it if we ran a cartoon depicting Jesus Christ in a priest's garb sodomizing a choirboy to illustrate the sexual abuse scandal in the Roman Catholic Church?"

The Chicago Sun Times just figured out how to put this this incredibly filthy image into the minds of its readers in a context they can claim was 'benign'. The msm just never ceases to amaze me. They are the face of the enemy within.

23 posted on 02/19/2006 7:34:43 AM PST by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Clueless in Chicagoland.


24 posted on 02/19/2006 7:34:51 AM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Jesus and Christianity are not above criticism, many people have mocked Jesus, even the Koran mocks Christianity, claims Jesus was not the Son of God, and he was even a Muslim and not a Jew.

However, Christianity and Christians always stands firm in the heat of criticism. In fact as christens we are called to continually test that what is presented as truth.

1 John 4 “ 1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

If something is true then it can within the test of criticism, while a false prophecy cannot, therefore one needs to question the motive to silence the criticism of Islam, as if what are they afraid the world or themselves will find out?


25 posted on 02/19/2006 7:35:42 AM PST by seastay
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To: Chi-townChief

If America was a Christain Theocracy and New Testament was civil law, then editorialists would have every right to mock them with cartoons, oped criticism, etc. without being stoned to death for "blasphemy"


26 posted on 02/19/2006 7:36:16 AM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: TheCrusader
The Chicago Sun Times just figured out how to put this this incredibly filthy image into the minds of its readers

Christian riots to come. /sarcasm

27 posted on 02/19/2006 7:36:24 AM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: Chi-townChief

This column carefully avoids mention of the many murdered and or maimed by the peaceful followers of Islam and that they espouse a worldwide Jihad by any means available. The argument put forth is phony and insulting. All cultures/religions aren't equal and anyone buying into that nonsense is likely to end up dead.


28 posted on 02/19/2006 7:37:12 AM PST by hershey
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To: Bon mots

I guess crazy Christians would be justified in the contemporary sense for burning all of CNN down to the ground then.


29 posted on 02/19/2006 7:37:30 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: USS Alaska

Very true.


30 posted on 02/19/2006 7:38:16 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: freeangel
When Muslims blew up the WTC, did bands of white men go out and beat Muslim looking teens to death with pipes, fists and knives?


“This was not a race issue, it was purely a thuggish element bordering
on criminality. They were not standing up for the community, we are talking
about thugs and criminals who wanted to deliberately start things
up to create the headlines, and there’s no justification.”

...and if they did, would the Muslim press make excuses like the crap above?

Never mind even that... would they do it in the Muslims' own home countries? They are doing it in France. They are doing it in England. Holland, Denmark and Sweden too.

Goodbye Europe.

31 posted on 02/19/2006 7:38:47 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Chi-townChief
Hey Mikey, the problem of pedophiles in the church isnt because of the church! It's because of the Perverted Sodomites!!!!!

Does this sentance offend SLimes?

P>
Sura 9:5 of the “Koran,” “Slay the idolaters muslimes wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.”

Written the other way IT OFFENDS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

32 posted on 02/19/2006 7:40:31 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back" -Homers guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Bon mots

What is that photo? If you tell me they are mohammedans assaulting a non-mohammedan youth over these cartoons, I will have a 5-cap answer and then a 5-cap follow up.


33 posted on 02/19/2006 7:42:50 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Chi-townChief
"I'll bet some of you would have a slightly different reaction to that."

I would have a slight different reaction to the one I had about the cartoons mocking the child-raping spawn of Satan. I'd be a bit annoyed and move on. I don't think I'd be joining thousands of others and rioting in the streets. Such behavior is inappropriate to civilized people but not that unusual for illiterate, meteorite worshiping, moon-god lovers

34 posted on 02/19/2006 7:43:16 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Chi-townChief

Please add me to your ping list. Thank you.


35 posted on 02/19/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by justkillingtime
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To: Chi-townChief

To Mr. Brown.

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes in the End times.


36 posted on 02/19/2006 7:47:11 AM PST by sauropod ("Here Lies Joe Biden, Buried Under His Own Words.")
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To: ElisabethInCincy

I admit that I don't know much about Islam. But the more I learn the more I think it's some kind of murderous cult that needs to be stopped.

Deep in their hearts most Muslims must know that too, or they wouldn't be so violent when protecting it.

I wonder how many millions of Muslims would be receptive to the words and life of Christ? Guess we won't know because of the censorship of the Islamic world.


38 posted on 02/19/2006 7:49:36 AM PST by kjo
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To: Baynative
I actually knew this "Danish paper apologizes to Arab world for Mohammed cartoons" was coming, but I thought it would take until Monday for the dhimmitude to begin.
39 posted on 02/19/2006 7:50:15 AM PST by DoNotDivide (Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.)
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To: Chi-townChief

What an IDIOT!


40 posted on 02/19/2006 7:51:26 AM PST by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: Chi-townChief
Reading this cr@p, I don't conclude he's made a point...if he got death threats from a Christian 1) Would he take the threat seriously? and 2) Would church authorities encourage the practice?

I conclude that they give an IQ test before they hire columnists, and hire the ones that flunk..."HERE'S YOUR SIGN!"

41 posted on 02/19/2006 7:52:47 AM PST by gogeo
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To: Chi-townChief

Cripes - it's not how we would feeeeeel that's the issue. It's how we act out the feeeeeelings. Duh! The left is increcibly dense.


42 posted on 02/19/2006 7:54:19 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: Chi-townChief

43 posted on 02/19/2006 7:59:26 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Chi-townChief

We already have a prancing Christ in the form of a play.

I haven't gutted any actors because of it. I usually ignore puerile attempts to denigrate God. It seems rather silly in the context of who is Creator and who is createe...

The problem with Islam is that it is an externally enforced belief. Christianity is an internal belief system that changes the spirit itself.

Islam does not deal with the spirit, but the flesh. I'd have to consign it to the World instead of the heavenly realm.


44 posted on 02/19/2006 8:05:10 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: Chi-townChief

Jesus Christ HAS been depicted as a sodomite. He HAS been depicted as a fornicator--and in productions a HELL of a lot more substantial than a cartoon.

The cartoonist 'Martlett' once drew a cartoon about as offensive as the 'bomb in the turban' cartoon. It was printed without hesitation, apparently, by Long Island Newsday.

It depicted Pope John Paul II. An arrow pointing to His Holiness' head and the caption "Upom this rock I will build My Church".

No one rioted.

Newsday began it's terminal slide.


45 posted on 02/19/2006 8:10:12 AM PST by TalBlack (I WON'T suffer the journalizing or editorializing of people who are afraid of the enemies of freedom)
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To: Chi-townChief
The author should check out the webcomics "Alien Vs Predator" and "Penny Arcade". Both have running story lines involving Christ. The comics are amusing and ironic- which the much debated Dutch cartoons were trying to be.
46 posted on 02/19/2006 8:11:24 AM PST by brothers4thID (Being lectured by Ted Kennedy on ethics is not unlike being lectured on dating protocol by Ted Bundy)
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To: DoNotDivide

What is that photo? If you tell me they are mohammedans
assaulting a non-mohammedan youth over these cartoons,
I will have a 5-cap answer and then a 5-cap follow up.

I am not sure.
It looks like Muslim men converting an unwilling Christian boy to Islam. Looks like it takes six of them and a metal pipe too.

But don't worry.
The European governments and Main-Stream Media assure us that it's not about race.
It's not about religion either.

On top of that, it's all our fault!

That white boy was probably in a Muslim neighborhood anyway,
so he was certainly looking to start trouble.
</sarcasm>

47 posted on 02/19/2006 8:15:24 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Chi-townChief

The bottom line is, that despite our revulsion to what may be printed, Westerners, Christians and Jews wouldnt riot and burn Missions and Consulates over it..


48 posted on 02/19/2006 8:16:06 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: Chi-townChief

...???...like it hasn't happen before?


49 posted on 02/19/2006 8:39:31 AM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Chi-townChief
What if the cartoons were mocking Jesus?

They would have gotten a government grant and the artist would be up for the Pulitzer Prize.

50 posted on 02/19/2006 8:44:26 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Condimaniac)
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