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Is President Bush Living In a Pre-911 World?

Posted on 02/19/2006 1:01:35 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin

The Bush administration refuses to take control of the Mexican border, despite 911 and the dangers such careless lax of security exposes our citizens to, and now the questionable outsourcing of control operations over six major U.S. ports to a company hosted out of a terrorist-sponsoring Middle-Eastern nation, a precarious enterprise which is endorsed and defended by the Bush administration to the outrage of many among both parties, Republicans and Democrats. Before 911, any political advantage and money contributions some Republicans thought they would gain from Corporate and big-Agra business which break U.S. laws through hire and exploitation of illegal aliens to the demise of the American Middle-Class, and any ill-gained “Republican” votes they thought they would garner from voter fraud of illegals or those voters who identify more with Mexico than America was in itself questionable, but after 911 it is an irresponsible and dangerous border policy. Yet, these special interests are of more importance to the Bush Administration than the safety of our citizens and our national security. Pre-911 the idea of a “Palestinian State” was questionable, and as predicted by many conservatives that such a state would simply be a Palestinian Terrorist State and a victory for Hamas was proven correct, a prediction pooh-hoed by the Bush Administration. Post -911, it is not only irresponsible of the Bush Administration to pursue and bully an Israeli retreat, it is dangerous to continue such a fantasy, as dangerous to America as it is to Israel. Now with the outsourcing of one of the most coveted targets for international Middle-Eastern terrorists - the ports of the United States - to interests which have obvious ties to the same simply attests to an uncomfortable reality to right-minded thinking Americans:

. . . that the Bush Administration is (now) living in a pre-911 view of the world, a pre-911 mentality that is likely to lead to the death of many Americans at the hands of Islamic terrorists.

There use to be what many conservatives called “The Eastern Establishment” among Republicans - the Rockefeller Republicans ("La Cooka-Rocka-Fella Republicans") whose main concern was, and is, global Corporate interests of Big Business, special interests which are of more precedent to such party hacks than American values and the interests of the United States and our people.

It looks like the Bush Administration is wearing the check-pants of this wing of the Republican Party, which isn’t conservative, and has a pre-911 view of the world, a fantasy world that is going to have consequences for the security of America and world peace in general. Giving the terrorists back-door means to attack the West doesn’t contribute to world peace, it destabilizes world peace because the same terrorists will advantage whatever weakness the West gives to them. Buying and selling, free trade, global corporate interests, all of this isn’t the same as freedom. For that matter, the Bin Laden family runs a very good construction industry - why not just let the Bin Laden family rebuild the World Trade Towers?

It is a pre-911 mentality that is going to do us harm. For me, it is clear, the Bush Administration is as much in the pre-911 mentality as the worst of some Democrats.

What is Rudy Giuliani's opinion on the port question? Has he made any statement in this regard? He is a likely candidate for the Presidency of the United States, and in that I would consider him as such a candidate, I would like to know. Where is he on this? With those who have a post-911 view of the world, or a pre-911 view of the world that the Bush Administration seems to have?


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1 posted on 02/19/2006 1:01:37 PM PST by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Thanks for proving that you don't know a single fact about this story.
2 posted on 02/19/2006 1:04:32 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

Can you be more specific?


3 posted on 02/19/2006 1:05:23 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
The Bush Administration did something for the democrats that they could not do for themselves.

Appear capable in the war on terror.

5 posted on 02/19/2006 1:06:33 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Not only has Bush turned his back on the border, he's turned his back on Texas and that is really perplexing to me.


6 posted on 02/19/2006 1:06:34 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Brian_Baldwin

I'm sorry this is a CONSERVATIVE website. You must of turned Right by misstake. You must of been looking for Druggies Unglued and posted this here in error.


7 posted on 02/19/2006 1:07:12 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Close the UN, Keep Gitmo!")
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Really amazingly arrogant and stupid comments about a President who is responsible for more dead Islamic terrorists them the vanity poster, or his poltical idols in the Democrat Party, ever will be


9 posted on 02/19/2006 1:09:29 PM PST by MNJohnnie ("Close the UN, Keep Gitmo!")
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To: Brian_Baldwin
I am the only one on this site who is not worried about Dubai providing management services for our ports? The ports will STILL be under control of the local port authorities. Besides, Dubai is the Monaco, Arizona, and Switzerland of the Middle East rolled into one. Sheik Makhtoum runs the most liberal state in the region, one where women are not subject to the veil and the house, and where the free market reigns.

This controversy over the ports is a tempest in a teapot.

11 posted on 02/19/2006 1:09:46 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Good commentary.


13 posted on 02/19/2006 1:12:54 PM PST by kimosabe31
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To: Brian_Baldwin

The Prez said this weekend that this is a dangerous world. Maybe he knows something that puts some things such as open borders on the back burrner.


14 posted on 02/19/2006 1:13:41 PM PST by RightWhale (pas de lieu, Rhone que nous)
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To: Pukin Dog

LOL, was that a note to yourself? Well... it should have been.


15 posted on 02/19/2006 1:13:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
It appears that the Administration is going to move to block the ports management issue so that is a moot point. There is a question, what is the difference between the publicity that caused Bush to take action on the ports vs. his inaction on the border?

More people yelling about M.E. port management than complaining about wets crossing the border?

It's going to take a calamity that can be traced back to an illegal border crossing before the public wake up and make the border an issue the President cannot ignore any longer.

I stand by my tagline.
16 posted on 02/19/2006 1:14:45 PM PST by Rebelbase (President Bush is a Texas jackass when it comes to Border security .)
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To: BushMeister
Can you be more specific?

Grab your bong. Anything by a Baldwin makes more sense if you're stoned.

17 posted on 02/19/2006 1:14:48 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (COLD PINK: Frigid Womyn For Peace)
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To: BushMeister
1.Port operators are not responsible for port security.

2.The UAE purchased a British company that is already performing operations at the ports in question. How is it not outsourcing when the Brits are doing the job, but becomes outsourcing with the British company is purchased by the UAE?

3. The security angle on this purchase has been investigated by the administration AND members of Congress and been found to be nothing to be concerned about.

4. The issue is being fed by Democrats, with the help of uniformed republicans (including Michelle Malkin on this issue) as a means to show Democrats to be tough on Security. Every single republican who has been quoted against this deal knows absolutely nothing about it.

I love Michelle Malkin, but she is wrong on this one. Many Conservatives are forming an opinion based on her essay without taking the time to investigate the facts themselves. In doing so, they look like idiots.

Is that enough?
18 posted on 02/19/2006 1:14:48 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: MNJohnnie

You made a complete fool of yourself on the last thread. What are you doing, going for two?


19 posted on 02/19/2006 1:14:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: ncountylee

I agree. However, the border issue is huge and would give Bush the gas he needs to finish strong. I don't know why he soft peddals it so much.


20 posted on 02/19/2006 1:14:56 PM PST by neodad
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To: Pukin Dog

Yes, everyone is wrong but those who wish to allow states with massive numbers of people who wish to do the U.S. harm, to gain access to our ports.

I can tell where you got your handle. You've been reading to many of your own posts on this topic.


21 posted on 02/19/2006 1:16:43 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Thanks for saying what most people with more than 2% brain activity are thinking.


22 posted on 02/19/2006 1:17:45 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Damn, you have had 24 hours to learn some facts about this, but have chosen to remain stupid.

Why?
23 posted on 02/19/2006 1:17:55 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: cgk; Itzlzha

he's at it again!!!!!


24 posted on 02/19/2006 1:18:07 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: MNJohnnie; All
"this is a CONSERVATIVE website. You must of turned Right by misstake. You must of been looking for Druggies Unglued and posted this here in error."

Bush is wrong on the border and Illegal Alien issue. This site is perfect place to post this. Bush is on his way out and we conservatives need to think hard if we want to continue with the Bush open border policy.

I have relatives in El Paso and what they see and tell me would turn your stomach. Our own feds went after two American policemen when they shot a Mexican drug runner.

See this article...it may change your mind.We are bordering on madness

25 posted on 02/19/2006 1:19:04 PM PST by dinok
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To: Clemenza
I think you will find that few are interested in the facts on this issue. It must be some kind of disease that forces some to share an opinion on a subject they know nothing about?
27 posted on 02/19/2006 1:19:38 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: buffmonster

the only people you speak for on this site are your troll friends, noob.


28 posted on 02/19/2006 1:19:47 PM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: Pukin Dog

LMAO. Buy a clue if you can't figure them out for yourself.

This issue is very simple.


29 posted on 02/19/2006 1:19:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Clemenza

No, you are not; but don't ruin the party for everybody else. :-)


30 posted on 02/19/2006 1:19:54 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: Pukin Dog

In business school, we called it "groupthink."


32 posted on 02/19/2006 1:21:54 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: MNJohnnie; buffmonster; Brian_Baldwin; Pukin Dog

Honestly, MNJohnnie, you are such a fawning bushbot.

Still trying to get Harriet Meirs on the Supreme Court ?

Brian_Baldwin, you are absolutely right. This is about putting globalist corporatism ahead of the national interest. "Citizens of the world" can be free trade, open borders, WSJ types as readily as they can be Europe worshipping UN lovers.


33 posted on 02/19/2006 1:22:04 PM PST by Sam the Sham (A conservative party tough on illegal immigration could carry California in 2008)
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To: Clemenza

So Clamenza, you're another person who doesn't know that two of the 09/11 hijackers came from... (drumroll here)...

the UAE

Ah yes, no reason whatsoever to think this might be problematic... /s


34 posted on 02/19/2006 1:22:09 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: buffmonster
buffmonster

Since Feb 18, 2006


Bienvenidos a Free Republic.

 


35 posted on 02/19/2006 1:23:45 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: Clemenza

Right, and on FreeRepublic we have a word for your side, "Poopthink".


36 posted on 02/19/2006 1:23:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: buffmonster
It is not a matter of agreeing with me. THE FACTS ARE CLEAR ON THIS, and it is STUPID for FReepers to not be interested in them, in favor of taking an opportunity to help the Democrats use a PHONY issue to get elected.
37 posted on 02/19/2006 1:23:56 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: buffmonster

You are a troll.


38 posted on 02/19/2006 1:24:35 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: peyton randolph

A certified troll.


39 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:01 PM PST by Howlin ("Quick, he's bleeding! Is there a <strike>doctor</strike> reporter in the house?")
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To: DoughtyOne
This issue is very simple.

Yeah, but only if you can read.

40 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:12 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog

I've got a great idea. We're just way to over-protective these days. What a bunch of worry-warts we've turned into.

At our homes let's leave our cars unlocked with the keys int he ignition. Let's leave the front door wide open at night. Let's put a sign on the front lawn, "Virgin In the Front Bedroom" please don't come inside, you might wake the parents upstairs in the back.

Let's let our three and four year old children play on the front lawn near heavy traffic with no adult supervision. Let's not buy that car insurance. To hell with healthcare coverage.

Knives can be left where children can reach them. Caustic substances can remain under the sink without a protective latch. Don't replace that freyed extension cord.

Let's not teach our children gun safety. If the ten year old wants the car, for God sake give them the keys.

National security is nothing more than taking preventative measures to protect the national family. By God, screw it. Who needs it?

Let's finance our largest global adversary's militaristic desires.
Let's forget about the Panama Canal and a Chinese presence there.
Let's allow COSCO to ply our coastlines and most vital ports.
Let's let foreign nations run our ports.
Let's continue to allow people to come here from terrorist states.
Let's continue to allow our national home to be invaded by three to five million unknowns each year.
Let's cut back our military.
Let's close as many bases as possible.
Let's cut our Navy in less than half.
Let's destroy about 95% of our nuclear arsenal.
Space, aw let's go through the motions, burn off as much funds as possible and achieve nearly nothing.
Space, let's watch other nations progress while we act as if we're impotent.
Education, hey let's double the budget of a department that is hell bent on destorying our values system.
Education, let's continue to allow the DOE to produce students that place something like 19th in the world.

Yes, none of this matters. Those of us who think they do are just way too easily disturbed.


41 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:26 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Pukin Dog

Sorry about your case. I didn't know.


42 posted on 02/19/2006 1:25:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Right, and on FreeRepublic we have a word for your side, "Poopthink".

And you're a poopy head! Your mother wears combat boots and your sister has the Cooties! ;-)

The UAE is a collection of Emirates, with Dubai (where the company in question is based) being the most liberal and pro-American of the bunch. Each Emirate is self-governing under a general federation.

43 posted on 02/19/2006 1:26:25 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: DoughtyOne; Reagan Man
Right, and on FreeRepublic we have a word for your side, "Poopthink".

RM, Poop knows Poopthink
44 posted on 02/19/2006 1:26:46 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
a prediction pooh-hoed by the Bush Administration.
Is that fecal-related or perhaps a farming term?

 

45 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:05 PM PST by peyton randolph (As long is it does me no harm, I don't care if one worships Elmer Fudd.)
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To: DoughtyOne

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1580971/posts
UAE, Palestine to set up a joint investment firm


46 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:20 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Your 41# is a standard strawman. If you think you are right ON THIS ISSUE, then argue this issue. Bring your facts! Oh, thats right, you dont have any.
47 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:35 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Clemenza

And what are the thoughts of these Emerate's citizens toward the United States? We certainly know what the thoughts of two of them were.


49 posted on 02/19/2006 1:27:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (If it's a "Religion of Peace", some folks aren't very religious.)
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To: Clemenza
Hey! A fact is a terrible thing to waste! As you can see, they aint interested.
50 posted on 02/19/2006 1:28:51 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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