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Rendell vetoes voter identification bill
Philly Inquirer ^

Posted on 02/20/2006 10:10:54 AM PST by hipaatwo

On Presidents' Day at the National Constitution Center, Gov. Rendell announced his veto of a bill that would have required all voters to show identification when they go to the polls.

Rendell said that the bill, which passed the legislature last week on largely parti-line votes, would have the effect of disenfranchising those without easy access to identification, including nursing-home residents, displaced families, the very poor and those without a driver's license.

In addition, he said that the identification requirement, which now applies only to people voting at a polling place for the first time, would slow the voting process on election days, likely causing some would-be voters who are pressed for time to leave without casting ballots.

The governor said the bill also might be unconstitutional.

Eileen Melvin, who chairs the state Republican Party, called the bill "incredibly responsible," citing other provisions that would enhance access to voting for the disabled and for military personnel serving overseas. As for the identification requirement, she noted that people now need to show identification to write a check, board an airplane, even to walk into an office building.

An override of the veto is highly unlikely, given the relatively narrow margins by which the bill passed the state House and Senate and the solid Democratic opposition to the bill.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: deadvote; dem; demorat; demvoterfraud; fasteddie; pennsylvania; rat; rendell; voterid; voting
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1 posted on 02/20/2006 10:10:58 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

Really worried about Swann's candidacy, aren't you, Fast Eddie?


2 posted on 02/20/2006 10:11:42 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Mo1; Tribune7; PhillyMom

The dead vote is still alive and well in Pa.


3 posted on 02/20/2006 10:11:44 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo
I hope the GOP nails him to the wall for this idiotic move, but I'm not holding my breath.

Paging Mr. Swann, Mr. Lynn Swann...

4 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:04 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: mewzilla

I hope Swann runs with this.


5 posted on 02/20/2006 10:12:09 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo

His main reason for the veto is because it would've eliminated the ability to cheat.


6 posted on 02/20/2006 10:13:26 AM PST by FearNoMan
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To: hipaatwo

This doesn't surprise me. Philadelphia, Rendell's home town, is probably the most corrupt in the Nation since New Orleans isn't a player any longer.


7 posted on 02/20/2006 10:13:29 AM PST by moonman
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To: hipaatwo

Swann and every Pubbie in the state. But heck, if Fast Eddie doesn't care about voter fraud, I'd rather vote for PA's governor than anyone running for gov in my home state of NY. Would you have a prob with that, Fast Eddie?


8 posted on 02/20/2006 10:14:39 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: hipaatwo

There is obviously only one real reason to be opposed to having voters identify themselves, and that is to perpetuate voter fraud. If it is "unconstitutional" to require identification to vote, then so is any regulation that requires identification. The next time a policeman pulls you over for speeding, or a guard at a building asks for identification, be sure to quote Ed Rendell's position on ID. I'm sure it will carry a lot of weight.


9 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:36 AM PST by speedy
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To: hipaatwo

This will keep the 110% voter turnout going that Phila had 1n Novemeber 2004.


10 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:37 AM PST by moonman
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To: hipaatwo
Needs corections: Rendell said that the bill, which passed the legislature last week on largely parti-line votes, would have the effect of disenfranchising those without easy access to identification, including nursing-home residents (code word for: dead people), displaced families (people voting in the wrong location), the very poor (those being paid to vote multiple times) and those without a driver's license (more dead people).
11 posted on 02/20/2006 10:15:54 AM PST by WOSG
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To: mewzilla
I'd rather vote for PA's governor than anyone running for gov in my home state of NY. Would you have a prob with that, Fast Eddie?

No problem. Just tell them that you're poor and you left your driver's license with your displaced family at a nearby Pennsylvanian nursing home.

12 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:00 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: mewzilla; speedy; Coop

Lynn Swann contact number. I called and they really appreciated it.

412.325.8888


13 posted on 02/20/2006 10:17:32 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: Coop
Well, if they're anything like the poll watchers in my neck of the woods, I could tell 'em anything and they'd still let me vote. Sigh.
14 posted on 02/20/2006 10:19:08 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: hipaatwo
Rendell said that the bill, which passed the legislature last week on largely parti-line votes, would have the effect of disenfranchising those without easy access to identification, including nursing-home residents, displaced families, the very poor and those without a driver's license.

Of course the real reason goes unsaid, it would stop the voting fraud that Democrats depend on.

15 posted on 02/20/2006 10:19:39 AM PST by RJL
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To: hipaatwo

Thanks, hipaatwo. I'll be moving back to PA later this summer, so with my wife, that's two incoming votes for Swannie. We even bring our own ID.


16 posted on 02/20/2006 10:22:32 AM PST by speedy
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To: hipaatwo

Dear Editor:

According to CNN, Bush lost Pennsylvania to Kerry by 121,818 votes (out of more than 5.6 million cast - a razor thin margin and even closer than "too close to call Ohio").

Also according to CNN, Kerry received over 517,000 votes and Bush received over 124,000 votes in Philadelphia (or a ratio of 4.16 for Kerry).

Now, for the really interesting numbers. According to the recent US Census, the Population of Philadelphia that is of voting age is 1,105,066. This number includes people who by law can not vote (non-American citizens, felons, out of state college students, etc.). In 2004, there are 1,035,395 registered voters in Philadelphia, up 34,000 from 2001.

So, what does this mean?

First, even as Philadelphia looses population, the number of registered voters continues to increase year after year. Today, in Philadelphia, nearly 100% of every person of voting age must registered to vote (as compared to a national average of 60% by the Census Bureau). Second, the total lopsidedness of the 4.16 ratio is an absolutely astounding number - even heavily democratic Broward Country, FL (one of the only places Gore wanted recounted in 2000) only went for Kerry 2:1 and Cook County, IL (Chicago - THE definition of the democrat voting machine) only went for Kerry 2.5:1.

Either Philadelphia has the most engaged and civic population in the history of the World, or there is massive voter fraud.

And the amount of fraud easily exceeds the margin of loss of President Bush. For instance, if the registration was slightly above average and if Philadelphia was just your "average-democrat-rustbelt-city-union-stronghold with a 50 year democrat political machine," the vote for Kerry in Philadelphia would have been just over 350,000. The voter fraud in Philadelphia is worth about 150,000 votes - a deficit that any Republican running for statewide office must overcome with real votes.

Best Regards,

2banana


17 posted on 02/20/2006 10:23:49 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: hipaatwo

"including nursing-home residents"

Many of whom have Alzheimers or other dementia and Rendel knows he can get party apparatchiks to vote for them . He is a whore.


18 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:12 AM PST by avile (CHUTZPAH)
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To: speedy

Your really moving back? Now you can have your WaWa again, cheesesteaks and soft pretzels again anytime you want. When I called I told them I want our next governor to hit Rendell with this. We have to show I.D. just to buy cigarettes.


19 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:21 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo
Rendell said that the bill would have the effect of disenfranchising those without easy access to identification, including nursing-home residents, displaced families, the very poor and those without a driver's license.

That might be true but if these people cannot get out to get some form of ID then what makes you think they can get out to vote? These risks he mention are easy to mitigate and it is important to reduce the amount of fraud that takes place.

Rendell is a sad piece of crap.

20 posted on 02/20/2006 10:25:31 AM PST by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: hipaatwo
The Republicans should bring forth a bill requiring voters on Election Day to dip their finger in a jar of ink after voting.


21 posted on 02/20/2006 10:26:28 AM PST by D-Chivas
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To: hipaatwo
Everyone knows that the only voters that Governor Rendell doesn't like is the Military Vote.

After all, for the 2004 election, Governor Rendell did not believe that the votes of our troops in Afghanistand and Iraq should have been counted, and worked day and night to prevent their votes from being counted.

The US Dept of Justice had to step in to try to get some of the Military Votes counted in Pennsylvania.

Governor Rendell believes that felons have more rights than our military personnel and showed that with his actions in the 2004 election...

22 posted on 02/20/2006 10:26:47 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: 2banana

Did you send that to the paper? If so I'm sure it won't get published.


23 posted on 02/20/2006 10:26:59 AM PST by hipaatwo
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To: hipaatwo
someone must start comparing the voter roll with other known database records.... it costs money...
24 posted on 02/20/2006 10:28:14 AM PST by pointsal
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To: hipaatwo

Voter Identification is a death blow to the DemocRATic Party. 'RATS cannot get elected without voter fraud.


25 posted on 02/20/2006 10:28:42 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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To: HonestConservative

ping


26 posted on 02/20/2006 10:29:42 AM PST by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: WOSG

You forgot illegals.


27 posted on 02/20/2006 10:30:01 AM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: hipaatwo
Rendell said that the bill, which passed the legislature last week on largely parti-line votes, would have the effect of disenfranchising those without easy access to identification

Every time an ineligible fradulent voter places a vote, I am disenfranchised. But Ed Rendell doesn't care about people like us...

28 posted on 02/20/2006 10:31:00 AM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: hipaatwo
"Disenfranchisement" is the catch-word they try to use to shut up the opposition. Apparently since you need ID to apply for state aid, get prescriptions, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, purchase adult products, get insurance, rent a house, etc, etc., somehow only in VOTING does it become "disenfranchisement".

The real reasons Rendell vetoed this bill:
"Governor Rendell doesn't want the people of Pennsylvania to know about the following provisions.:

Extends the deadline by which absentee ballots mailed from our soldiers overseas can be counted
- Under HB 1318, military ballots postmarked by the date of the election and received up to seven days after the election would be counted.
- Did you know that in 2004, the U.S. Department of Justice was forced to sue Governor Rendell to protect the right of military absentee voters to have their ballots counted?

Provides that all polling places be located in an environment free of intimidation and harassment.
- Currently, no such provision exists in Pennsylvania law.
- Did you know that in Philadelphia, the 1st Ward Democratic Headquarters serves as a polling place?

Ensures that all polling places are accessible to the elderly and disabled.
- Did you know that many polls in Pennsylvania are located in basements, private homes and other venues that are not handicapped accessible?

Increases voter confidence by ensuring that your vote will not be cancelled out by a fraudulent vote.
- The bill puts into place an identification requirement for voters
- Under the bill, acceptable identification includes both photo and non-photo ID, including utility bills, copies of a paycheck, or a voter registration card
- These can be obtained without significant effort and without any expense
- Did you know that the bi-partisan Carter-Baker Commission has recommended an ID requirement for voting to provide fairer elections?"

29 posted on 02/20/2006 10:35:40 AM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: hipaatwo

I've been voting at the same place for the last 6 years. Still asked for ID, I provide it with a smile.

Oh, Yeah. One other thing: Run, Lynn, run!


30 posted on 02/20/2006 10:37:23 AM PST by trimom
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To: hipaatwo
Did you send that to the paper? If so I'm sure it won't get published.

I got into an excellent email debate with the editor of the PI - but alas - not published.

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Tom,

It would make for a great right-leaning "Michael Moore" type movie. I can see him interviewing people on the street in the city where "everyone is registered to vote..." or "Excuse me sir, we know you are registered - look at the stats!" or talking to people in wards where 99.5% of the vote went to Kerry - "We only need to find 5 people who voted for Bush to make it 99.4%... As you pointed out, there may be reasons for the stats, but that never stopped a good satire.

I'll have to research the data on the burbs. From what I have seen, the data at least follows the logic of as more people move to an area, more people are registered to vote by about the same percentages...

Regards,

2banana

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 4:43 PM
To: 2banana
Subject: RE: City's big margin proves crucial to Kerry Pa. win

But my experience and my reporting tells me that these is not widespread voting fraud in philly. retail, yes. committee men absentee voting mrs. maguch, who died in july, etc. committeemen 'helping' old senile mrs. johnson fill out her ballot, etc.

But not an organized, mass movement to manufacture votes. I base this, as I said, on reporting and experience as a reporter. And also due to the fact that we (Our Computer Assited Reporting unit in particular) have kept a very close eye on the rolls this year -- looking for multiple registrations from a single home, matching them with death certificate lists, etc. They didn't turn up much.

PS when they ask the republicans for examples of buildings where there were multiple voters from same address, it turned out they were small homeless shelters run by Mercy nuns, who had registered the occupants to get them to participate.)

By the way, voter rgistration in the burbs has increased by more than 600,000 voters since 1984, but pop there has not. Could there be ghost in Berwyn?

thanks for your note.

-----Original Message-----
From: 2banana
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 12:24 PM
To: xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: City's big margin proves crucial to Kerry Pa. win

Tom,

Thanks for replying to my message, we could argue the numbers but some numbers and policies just jump out as being strange:

For instance:

1. Since 1995, Philadelphia's voter rolls have jumped 24 percent while at the same time that the city's population has declined by 13 percent.

2. According to the US Census, there has been no explosion in the black population:

2000 Black or African American in Philadelphia - 655,824 out of a total population of 1,517,550

1990 Black or African American in Philadelphia - 623,510 out of a total population of 1,585,577

1980 Black or African American in Philadelphia - 633,485 out of a total population of 1,688,210

3. I think we both seem to agree that the voter rolls are filled with "inactive" and inaccurate voters that can not be purged. This was all predicted when the federal "Motor Voter Law" was passed making it much easier for persons who are not eligible to vote to register and much more difficult to clean up the voter rolls. And I also think we both agree that this gives at least the appearance that the numbers are untrustworthy.

4. Philadelphia has a voting machine and city government that has been controlled by the same party for over 50 years and that is incapable of policing any corruption. Any "irregularities" in the voting would be dead last on the "to do" list, especially if the "irregularities" go the way of the person you want to win.

5. A few nights before the election, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Andrea Mitchell and the mayor of Philadelphia were on Hardball. They were all laughing away about how the election was great for the economy of Philadelphia, and suggesting that there would plenty of "street money" around to "get out the vote." And these are the same people who are going to stop or report any kind of voter fraud?

I find it ironic that a country like Afghanistan (where I had a combat tour of duty), with no history of democracy, has a country wide and nearly fraud free election under the oversight of us - Americans. But we instituted a few rules like - you had to prove you are an Afghan, you had to get a voter ID, show the voter ID when you voted, your name had to match the voter roll, and you had to get your thumb stamped by permanent ink so you couldn't vote twice.

Kind Regards,

2banana

-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:45 AM
To: 2banana
Subject: RE: City's big margin proves crucial to Kerry Pa. win

with all due respect, that allegation of massive voter fraud is bullshit.

the number of registered voters in phila. includes (according to the elxn buro) about 110,000 "inactive" voters who cannot not removed from the rolls until they have failed to vote in two federal elections. It also includes another 40,000 voters considered "inaccurate" by the elexn bureau, but not yet purged. (The buro is limited under law by when and how often it can purge. this is under the federal motor voter law.)

philly election officials say thise 150,000 are voters who have either moved, died, or otherwise opted out of the system.

the reason as to why the number of voters has stayed the same while the pop has decreased wud take a while to explain. it basically has to do with an increase in voter participation among blacks since 1983. the number of african americans registered to vote has gone from somewhere in the mid-50's in the 70's to the low 90's now. Black pop also has increased at the same time.

you can look at the numbers and believe what you want to believe, but the facts -- and investigations by this paper -- do not bear out the "massive vote fraud" allegation.

tf

-----Original Message-----
From: 2banana
To: xxxxxx
Sent: 11/10/2004 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: City's big margin proves crucial to Kerry Pa. win

Dear Tom Ferrick Jr.:

I am glad you are a number's geek. So am I - see below.

Best Regards,

2banana

Original LTTE

31 posted on 02/20/2006 10:39:21 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: WOSG

"those without a driver's license"
CODE for "illegal aliens voting for Democrats"


32 posted on 02/20/2006 10:39:30 AM PST by Imnotalib
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To: hipaatwo

Don't forget Tastykakes!


33 posted on 02/20/2006 10:41:54 AM PST by trimom
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To: 2banana
BRAVO! Riddle me this: How is it that the most poor disenfranchised areas of the inner city of Philthydelphia manage to turn out such massive voter numbers? They must be uber-patriots willing to drop everything and vote! Not the types who would be stymied by a simple ID, no?
34 posted on 02/20/2006 10:43:42 AM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: hipaatwo

I have to show a photo ID everytime I vote in Florida and it should be a nationwide requirement.


35 posted on 02/20/2006 10:45:49 AM PST by Retired Chemist
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To: hipaatwo
Of course the Democs oppose positive voter identification, how else can the dead vote and the Democs hope to win.
36 posted on 02/20/2006 10:46:46 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: hipaatwo
displaced families, the very poor and those without a driver's license.


37 posted on 02/20/2006 10:47:18 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("It'sTime for Republicans to Start Toeing the Conservative Line, NOT the Other Way Around!")
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To: hipaatwo

There is also massive double voting. The Democrats appear to have bussed in people from out of state to vote in states with close elections. Also, liberal faculty in colleges organized and encouraged students to vote twice, once in their home state and once in their college state, or sometimes in two locations within the same state.

Also, a lot of Philadelphians apparently were bussed across the river into Trenton, New Jersey, to vote a second time there in the election that Schundler lost.


38 posted on 02/20/2006 10:48:04 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: 2banana

LOLOL! Isn't that a bit like the fox investigating if there are chickens missing from the henhouse? Nothing to see here...let's all moveon.


39 posted on 02/20/2006 10:48:35 AM PST by Sisku Hanne (Happy 2006...The Year of the Black Conservative!)
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To: 2banana
I'm not convinced that the vote fraud in Philly is that staggering. What is staggering is the total voter intimidation by union thugs and Democrat ward bosses, plus the pints-of-whiskey-and-$20-bills-being-handed-out stuff. Lots of "walking around money" thrown around to the black preachers. Old fashioned vote buying and harrassment, not so much illegal aliens, felons, and dead people voting.

Let's say you are a young Republican who has just moved into a gentrifying neighborhood in north Philly. You go to vote and see nothing but Democrat operatives, big burly guys in AFL-CIO hats, polling place in somebody's house, and somebody outside checking in every voter and eyeballing you up and down as you go in. This precinct has voted 100% Democrat in the past 10 elections. You think they are not going to know who was the one Republican vote? Do you risk having your tires slashed or worse? Or do you just slink away?

There was an eyewitness report in 2004 of a Republican poll watcher having a gun drawn on him at a Philly voting place. Also reports of busloads of union thugs coming in from New York City.

40 posted on 02/20/2006 10:49:19 AM PST by Dems_R_Losers (Only losers boast about how close it was)
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To: Imnotalib

""those without a driver's license"
CODE for "illegal aliens voting for Democrats"


This is likely also code for:
-being paid in cash and paying no income tax or social sec.
-probably using hospital emergency rooms as their primary health provider and not paying for that care.


41 posted on 02/20/2006 10:50:44 AM PST by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: mewzilla
Really worried about Swann's candidacy, aren't you, Fast Eddie?

You're damn straight he is, as he well should be.

Here's a photo of Fast Eddie's Philly get out the vote headquarters.


42 posted on 02/20/2006 10:50:54 AM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: FearNoMan

You are exactly right.


43 posted on 02/20/2006 10:51:48 AM PST by GW and Twins Pawpaw (Sheepdog for Five [My grandkids are way more important than any lefty's feelings!])
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To: hipaatwo; All

we need a map which shows states which require voters to show ID and states which allow no ID voting.

I am willing to bet the states which have the greatest amount of vote fraud have no ID requirement.

Keep in mind everyone, ID requirements also have a provisional ballot clause which allows someone who "lost their id" to vote pending their claim to vote being confirmed.

also most states provide for a no cost ID.

This is vote fraud protection pure and simple.


44 posted on 02/20/2006 10:54:15 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: FearNoMan
His main reason for the veto is because it would've eliminated the ability to cheat.

No kidding! The Democrats vote entire nursing homes, personal care homes, etc. for themselves. When you retire to one of these places in PA, you suddenly change from a lifelong Republican to voting a straight Democrat ticket, but that's probably because you've been influenced by all the other "enlightened" patients around you. LOL

45 posted on 02/20/2006 10:58:22 AM PST by penowa
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To: hipaatwo

This is because of the "dead and felon" vote, they can't get voter cards now can they.....

I hope whoever runs against this a$$ gets elected...


46 posted on 02/20/2006 11:00:51 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: hipaatwo
I can't believe that anyone with enough interest to vote would find it difficult to obtain an ID. Demonrats believe the vast majority of illegal votes go to them. They are right, thus their opposition to identifying voters.
47 posted on 02/20/2006 11:01:29 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: penowa

Why is something so obvious allowed to continue moving? It's sad we joke about it.


48 posted on 02/20/2006 11:01:42 AM PST by FearNoMan
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To: moonman
Philadelphia, Rendell's home town, is probably the most corrupt in the Nation since New Orleans isn't a player any longer.

Seattle, Madison, East St. Louis and Chicago could give them a run for their money.
49 posted on 02/20/2006 11:05:56 AM PST by BJClinton (Let slip the Viking Kittens!)
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To: hipaatwo
Neither the democs or pubbies want a voter ID system. That would remove 99.9% of the vote fraud!

IMHO, every eligible living voter ought to have a VID (voter ID number) and the numbers ought to be verified at the voting booth. Period, end of subject...

50 posted on 02/20/2006 11:09:39 AM PST by eeriegeno
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