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America's Greatest Presidents
The American Thinker ^ | February 20th, 2006 | Steven M. Warshawsky

Posted on 02/20/2006 11:01:16 AM PST by RightCanuck

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To: stainlessbanner
Only one of these leaders saw fit to wage war against the states of this Republic.
You're right, but America wasn't a Republic back then.
41 posted on 02/20/2006 12:17:19 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: blitzgig
To diminish RR over the grave injustice that occurred over a hundred years before his time is about the most nonsensical argument imaginable. RR was great on his own strength of character; not withstanding the number of states he became president of. You need to study the principals of logic in order to not embarrass yourself here...LOL
42 posted on 02/20/2006 12:24:57 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: RightCanuck
Today is “President’s Day.” A holiday originally intended to honor George Washington (and in some states Abraham Lincoln), President’s Day has degenerated into just another day off for government employees and an excuse for large retailers to hold sales.

That is an urban myth that has been debunked:

Presidents Day
Claim: The federal holiday observed in the United States on the third Monday of February is officially designated as "Presidents' Day."
Status: False.

Bottom line: The official designation of the federal holiday observed on the third Monday of February is, and always has been, Washington's Birthday.

43 posted on 02/20/2006 12:24:58 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: brainstem223

Ah yes, the War of Northern Aggression! ;-)


44 posted on 02/20/2006 12:29:36 PM PST by RightCanuck (Not right enough.)
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To: oh8eleven

Ben Franklin disagrees with you..... and Ben predates by decades the hostilities of the 1860's...

At the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a Mrs. Powel anxiously awaited the results, and as Benjamin Franklin emerged from the long task now finished, asked him directly: "Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" "A republic if you can keep it" responded Franklin.


45 posted on 02/20/2006 12:30:01 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: RightCanuck
Americas greatest president has not happened yet..
A President that returns the federal government to limited goverment..
Will be the greatest President of ALL.. and will encourage others to do the same to State, County and Local government too.. When the benefits of limited government on all levels has been ascertained.. Americans generally almost universally don't know that yet..

America is begging for the greatest President to show himself.. BIG government republicans even moderately BIG government republicans are the problem.. not democrats..

Democrats are immature children.. that never grew up.. as are most republicans especially ex-democrat republicans.. which are midgets or dwarves... having been stunted from growth by being a democrat.. However some have learned to use stilts.. and function almost like a republican..

46 posted on 02/20/2006 12:31:26 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
Well said,,, however the electorate is so dumbed-down such a leader could not get elected...
47 posted on 02/20/2006 12:33:50 PM PST by brainstem223
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To: brainstem223
The South legally seceded from the Washington government by acts of their respective legislatures.

Their actions were illegal, as the Supreme Court ruled in 1869.

The federals would not leave Sumpter which was in a separate and soverign Nation, the Confederate States of America.

Even had the southern acts of secession been legal, Sumter was the property of the United States and South Carolina had no legal claim to it.

The Southern forces justifiably fired upon the fort to end the occupation of their territory.

Why was their acts justified? Cuba has demanded that the U.S leave Guantanamo Bay. The U.S. refuses. Would you support Cuba's bombarding the base into surrender?


48 posted on 02/20/2006 12:34:43 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: stainlessbanner
Only one of these leaders saw fit to wage war against the states of this Republic.

Jeff Davis wasn'te really a president.

49 posted on 02/20/2006 12:35:39 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
With regard to habeas corpus, both the United States and Confederate Constitutions only allowed for the suspension by the Congress of each nation.

"The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

I don't see the part where it says only Congress can suspend it.

50 posted on 02/20/2006 12:38:10 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: brainstem223
Um, no, and no. Slavery was not an issue of technology, it was an issue of control and hate for a people thought to be less than people. The Cotton Gin did not diminish slavery in any way though it removed the need for extra slaves to pick the seeds from cotton. Just left more for picking from the fields. And what good would the internal combustion engine have done for house slaves.

Carnage was not the problem with slavery. Slavery was the problem with slavery. No man should own another, ever. And no government should promote such practice. The loss of life, though horrible, ended up being necessary because the south would not give up their evil (yes, EVIL) hold on the lives other people any other way.

Slavery would not have ended, though it may have eventually diminished, yet an un-freed people would remain without rights and unequal in the eyes of the law. It another hundred years before a black woman could legally sit next to a whit man on a bus in that tecnologically advancing South of yours. Technology had little to no effect on the hearts of people.

History JUSTIFIES my argument.
51 posted on 02/20/2006 12:39:05 PM PST by raynearhood ("America is too great for small dreams." - Ronald Reagan, speech to Congress. January 1, 1984.)
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To: BluH2o
AS an added note, As a recent college graduate, I voted for Kennedy, by the time three years had passed I moved 180 degrees to the right. When I heard he was assassinated, I my first thought was 'good'.

My first inkling of the biased press came during his funeral, where they showed an idyllic picture of light streaming down to the grave site, then someone bumped the camera, and revealed it was faked. From there it was all down hill for the main stream media.
52 posted on 02/20/2006 12:46:54 PM PST by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

ROTFLMAO!


53 posted on 02/20/2006 12:48:42 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: hosepipe
LOL, as an ex-democrat republican. I don't feel stunted just enlightened You are right I did grow-up
54 posted on 02/20/2006 12:48:48 PM PST by exdem2000
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To: exdem2000
[ LOL, as an ex-democrat republican. I don't feel stunted just enlightened You are right I did grow-up ]

Dwarves don't FEEL stunted they just are.. LoL... d;-}~',',

55 posted on 02/20/2006 1:00:32 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Fiji Hill

That to. He realized we needed a standing force.


56 posted on 02/20/2006 1:14:09 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Radix
I am pretty certain that you would not have aced that history course when it came to President Arthur. My Professor seemed to particularly despise the man.

I often aced a course while expressing an opinion contrary to the professor’s (my degree is a BA in Sociology – cum laude). I just made sure I could back up what ever I espoused. I never was one to believe I had to mimic the teacher to get a good grade.
57 posted on 02/20/2006 1:19:20 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: raynearhood
"The power to tax is the power to destroy. A government which lays taxes on the people not required by urgent public necessity and sound public policy is not a protector of liberty, but an instrument of tyranny."
- Calvin Coolidge

"Man is not free unless government is limited.... As government expands, liberty contracts.
- Ronald Reagan

58 posted on 02/20/2006 1:27:20 PM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; stainlessbanner
Abe Lincoln invaded the South and suspended habeas corpus. For those sins he must be eternally damned.

It is amazing that Lincoln stood for everything we so-called conservatives today detest, and there are those on this forum that will defend him with all the band width within them.

59 posted on 02/20/2006 2:09:54 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Sumter was the property of the United States and South Carolina had no legal claim to it.

According to who? The government of the united States? The mother of all imminent domain issues which you obviously fully support.

60 posted on 02/20/2006 2:20:18 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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