Schwartzenegger's meeting with Tom McClintock...
I totally missed it, so I'm just guessing... but was this in the Fall of 2005...???
Posted on 02/20/2006 3:21:04 PM PST by calcowgirl
I hear ya. I'm not throwin' Tom overboard as I can see the tough spot he's in.
Some of his statements have just been way over the top, though.
That sickens me a bit and he loses some credibility in the process.
Well, that ought to go over well with the conservative base.
And: "...the closer you get to elections, the more pragmatic people get."
Only those people who were party-above-principle GOP/RNC/CAGOP/New Majority Big Tenters to begin with. They are compromisers to whom winning is everything and no principle is too important that it cannot be risen above (i.e., dumped over the side) in the interest of winning.
That about sums it up. I wish there were some alternative, but I'm not going to jump off a cliff just to teach Arnie a lesson.
Thanks for the ping...
Looks like they're shoring up the conservative base. Something Arnold will be unable to do alone - he just tends to swing a little to the left.
For somebody not in California, you see things pretty clearly. Great Holy Tamales, how soon these principles-over-pragmatism prima donna "conservatives" forget that the alternative to Schwartzenegger (there's no way, sadly, that McClintock could have gotten enough votes to win, and folks can deny this until they're blue in the face but it doesn't alter the math) was Cruz Bustamonte.
EXCUSE ME! Bustamonte would have done far, FAR more damage to California than RINO Arnold in our worst nightmare. A Bustamonte victory would very likely also have seriously damaged Bush's reelection bid in 04 because of said damage to our state -- California's economy is one of the largest in the world, and though it ain't gangbusters now because of liberals and regulation and whatnot, it would be WORSE with Bustamonte at the helm, yet who would have gotten the blame for an ailing American economy dominated by an ailing California? Bush.
What really, really ticked me off to the point of downright disgust and contempt for so-called "principled" conservatives is that so many failed to vote in the special election. Schwarzenegger gave California conservatives a chance to start a hairline crack in the stranglehold Liberals have in this state with several of his propostions. But NO, that wasn't good enough for "princpled" conservatives, they stayed home, and the propositions lost by in some places thin margins. I wouldn't have blamed Arnold if he'd just said "to hell with you" and split. You're right -- these "CRUZ BUSTAMONTE IS BETTER THAN A RINO" conservatives are a big part of why this state is in such a sorry state, yet they continuously whine and blame everybody else they can think of.
Hey you guys -- California didn't get this liberal overnight, and it ain't going to heal itself overnight, either. I always liked Tom McClintock, wanted to vote for him over Arnold but realized that it would be a vote for Bustamonte. Now, McClintock is even better in my eyes. He realizes what the so-called "principled" do not: that changing California for the better is going to take time and compromise.
As far as I was concerned during the Davis recall, and as far as I am concerned now, these "princpled" folks only have principles regarding their own pride and pig-headedness.
The GUb may well win, but he will not likely get as many republican and conservatives votes as will Tom. sad but true.
we can not afford to keep him but have this specter of the alternative held over us if a dem wins.
If ya look at the spending and social side of things and his appointments record, I frankly don't see a vast difference between him and a dem.
Have at it!
Sad, but true!
Trying hard to win a popularity contest on an independent, conservative forum eh? I'm guessing the Finny account was opened on FR because no partisan, moderate forums existed in 2002. Any guesses why?
Tried counseling? That's a lot of hate.
Note to CRP leadership: This approach will not win more voters. Need new talking points.
I still won't vote for Arnie.
Unfortunately his partisan recommendations aren't.
BTTT
Could you please include me in your ping list?
Thanks
Arnold knows he needs McClintock to bring out the base for him. It will probably work but I won't vote for him.
LOLOL.. I just love bait and switch. Karma in action.
I love how Tom will get to eat his cake and stuff some up the Gub's nose as well after the election, some 'wedding' ticket celebration. ;-)
Tom will get elected by the base and the base will reject the Gub. It doesn't matter if Pussface Phil or "Go" Westly are elected, their options are limited as too how much they will be able to get done. Most of the major damamge has alrady been done by a guy with an R by his name.
This state has survived dem Gubs before and will again.
That's why aRnie did as much as he could the first year and continued in his 2nd year, appointing lefties by the bushelful to the courts and state positions, borrowing like there is no tomorrow to pay back his biggest boosters, sticking it to mountain folks with his Sierra Nevada conservancy bill signing, signing legislation that banned the BMG 50, signing more domestic partnmers legislation than Davis even wuld have considered.
I just don't think this state can afford 4 more years of such a "staunch Republican much less conservative" action figure.
Tom gets the #2 slot to pontificate from, he's presides over the state Senate, the dems retain control overall but won't have enough votes to raise taxes as the Pubbies will still have enough presence to stop any major funding increases (something the current Gub didn't have a problem doing for some reason, spending more more more) or new taxes.
Bring on 2010.. :)
Bravo! Facts with straight talk.
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